Ren'Py Bobby's Memoirs of Depravity [v0.15.53] [ZipTieFun]

[Brad90]

You have many valid points... but the only thing is that this version is not meant to be a carbon copy of Ra's game. The original game has a very long history and the characters changed many times in his game based on different factors.

I am a fan of his game and been playing it and supporting it since 2017.. So I seen all the changes and unfinished stories.. and yes picked up some of Ra's bad habits as well....

Character changes:
I made some changes to Ms Anna character as she was cold and distance in Ra's game and everytime Bobby tried to get close to her she push him away... but at the end of version 1.1 she started to show feeling toward Bobby and there was meant to be scenes showing them going for walks etc...
I just changed her into a single hard working mother who feel regret for not spending time with her kids now that there have trouble in there lives.... The infamous scene in the bathroom with the towel was a non-event as in Ms Anna eyes it was an accident and did not see it as sexual... I want Ms Anna to be sweet and kind and care for Bobby but have Bobby use this to take advantage of her. Then with Lucy I want the opposite as she is the oldest and bullied Bobby and the other girls for nearly all of there life....

My main take in my version is that the girls do not see Bobby as a man e.g. don't see him as a threat or sexual interest.

Part of the redo on the game is to link all the girls stories together and not have them run as separate isolated events. Also I am adding back in all the render's at 1080p and also improve the animations along with improve coding etc...

The one thing people forget is that Ra's started off with Bobby as a 12 / 13 old with zero sexual knowledge and Bobby was using his family to satisfy his urges.... but later changed as he did not want to get kicked of patreon also he changed name of the game as it was "Bad Brother Saga".

When I first played his game I loved it and wished he had more scenes and went further with the girls... and that was the main reason I learned to code in Renpy and create scenes in Daz3d and blender.... because I lost count of how many games like his were abandoned or the dev removed the sleepsex or family scenes because they did not what to get canceled.

I completely disagree with that assessment. Bobby isn't any age. It shows a youth, but it's simply an alter ego. He was deviant from day one where his fetish for control shapes.

In your version presently. He has the same fetish. It introduces it immediately. In fact if we base that introduction of his experience of acting out his nature, you've inserted a shop keeper assistant. Then you've added in stuff that makes no sense simply to drag out the content and or release of it. Into another cut and dry take. He needs a footjob/boobjob from Lisa, instead of blackmailing her into his demands. He needs to kiss the drunk girl, but he's paid her to get drunk so he can act out his deviance. It's unnecessary. Meanwhile anybody else who has played the various versions faster questions any intent and story. He builds a basement simply to watch sexy yoga poses when he was sneaking into his landlady's room and raping?

It is what is. Nobody would be questioning or complaining if it released when you said it would, and it carried into the rest of the game they formerly played. However, it isn't, and it sooner becomes a comparison. Where you can dress up another piggy, decking it out in the current animations and renders, but it's still a piggy. That of course is up to you, on how it shapes and releases.

 

[mikednew]

You have many valid points... but the only thing is that this version is not meant to be a carbon copy of Ra's game. I just changed her into a single hard working mother who feel regret for not spending time with her kids now that there have trouble in there lives.... The infamous scene in the bathroom with the towel was a non-event as in Ms Anna eyes it was an accident and did not see it as sexual... I want Ms Anna to be sweet and kind and care for Bobby but have Bobby use this to take advantage of her. Then with Lucy I want the opposite as she is the oldest and bullied Bobby and the other girls for nearly all of there life....
My main take in my version is that the girls do not see Bobby as a man e.g. don't see him as a threat or sexual interest.

So you want to change the characters. Why then use the same models and the same names? But the biggest problem is not changing the characters... it's that the characters are inconsistent and the things that happen don't make sense and it's all very implausible. I have sisters and a mother and they don't see me as a threat or a sexual interest. Still, they don't show me their butts so I can evaluate them. Women have automatic reactions to nudity. Since they are children, they are taught not to sit with their legs open, not to show their panties... nudity is a big deal for women in our culture. That's why the reaction of a naked mother when she is surprised by her son is to cover herself. No matter how loving and understanding she is, she will do it.

You said that the event in the bathroom was not sexual, but Lisa jokes with him saying that she heard that he attacked their mother in the bathroom. Now, if the event was normal in the mother's eyes, why did she tell Lisa? And why would Lisa make a joke like that? A sister would never make an incestuous joke about him and their mother.

I understand your intentions that you are exposing now. But for them to be reached, things need to be written better, there are a lot of incoherent things. For example, Anna wants to spend more time with Bob, as you said, because she feels guilty about not spending time with the kids, but Bob is only one of them and the youngest is Jenny. A mother would pay more attention to the youngest because the others have already spent time with her. That's why if you didn't tell me that she acts like this with Bob out of regret, I would never guess. When Bob and her are in the basement, he suggests that she call the girls to help, but Anna says no because they would supposedly fight and it would be faster just the two of them. Now, does she regret not spending enough time with everyone or not? Because from your writing it seems like she only wants Bob. And another thing: if she wants to use the basement renovation as an opportunity to spend time with her children, then she is in no hurry to finish.

I will make more observations, in case you want or have time to analyze them:

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Anyway, there are many things that could be written better to achieve the goal you want. Maybe it's your style, this more cartoonish and nonsensical thing. But as I said, if you want I can help you give more substance to the characters and situations.

 

[efewafeaw]

Someone be a hero and post link

 

[Sid01]

You have many valid points... but the only thing is that this version is not meant to be a carbon copy of Ra's game. The original game has a very long history and the characters changed many times in his game based on different factors.

I am a fan of his game and been playing it and supporting it since 2017.. So I seen all the changes and unfinished stories.. and yes picked up some of Ra's bad habits as well....

Character changes:
I made some changes to Ms Anna character as she was cold and distance in Ra's game and everytime Bobby tried to get close to her she push him away... but at the end of version 1.1 she started to show feeling toward Bobby and there was meant to be scenes showing them going for walks etc...
I just changed her into a single hard working mother who feel regret for not spending time with her kids now that there have trouble in there lives.... The infamous scene in the bathroom with the towel was a non-event as in Ms Anna eyes it was an accident and did not see it as sexual... I want Ms Anna to be sweet and kind and care for Bobby but have Bobby use this to take advantage of her. Then with Lucy I want the opposite as she is the oldest and bullied Bobby and the other girls for nearly all of there life....

My main take in my version is that the girls do not see Bobby as a man e.g. don't see him as a threat or sexual interest.

Part of the redo on the game is to link all the girls stories together and not have them run as separate isolated events. Also I am adding back in all the render's at 1080p and also improve the animations along with improve coding etc...

The one thing people forget is that Ra's started off with Bobby as a 12 / 13 old with zero sexual knowledge and Bobby was using his family to satisfy his urges.... but later changed as he did not want to get kicked of patreon also he changed name of the game as it was "Bad Brother Saga".

When I first played his game I loved it and wished he had more scenes and went further with the girls... and that was the main reason I learned to code in Renpy and create scenes in Daz3d and blender.... because I lost count of how many games like his were abandoned or the dev removed the sleepsex or family scenes because they did not what to get canceled.

Sorry, but discussing the plot when you release individual scenes that take you months is pointless. Rainces had a plot approach and had enough material to show it even if he needed a year to prepare. You just add more scenes and polish the graphics. There is no greater intention in it.

 

[Sid01]

need a hero 15.54 is out!!

Bobby's MoD 0.15.54 Dev Update

Hey Folks,

Sorry for the long delay... I been working out some of the new story-lines and have been thinking what the best direction.... also the night-club will become a focus point for some some of the main characters so I want the it to be good.

The good news is that I have it sorted now, so I can start putting in the rest of the content.

I had to re-render some of the scenes as I could not find the original 1080 version as I may of deleted them while I was drunk or high but they look a lot better also I gave the club-owner some enhancements so she look and feel better ...

I will post another update in a few days on a release with info on what will be in the release once I am 100% sure I can get it out... as I have a bad habit of not been on time.... and yes there will be content with Lucy as well.....

Anyhoo my skin is starting to turn blue...

Zip

 

[redharvest1]

Someone be a hero and post link

need a hero 15.54 is out

It's not out yet dummy... learn to fucking read, merely a progress report on the next patch FFS.

 

[Brad90]

It looks promising if and when it arrives

 

[Borland252]

Another bla-bla-bla

Sorry, but discussing the plot when you release individual scenes that take you months is pointless. Rainces had a plot approach and had enough material to show it even if he needed a year to prepare. You just add more scenes and polish the graphics. There is no greater intention in it.

 

[Sid01]

Another bla-bla-bla

Your comment certainly contributed the most to the discussion

 

[edgaia]

Evolving typically means advancing not regressing several years. Once again the ren'py coding used by Ziptiefun looks like it was written by a drunken monkey or a 12 year old, Rainces's coding is way more polished and sophisticated than anything Zip has scripted. One looks like it was written by someone struggling to follow along on a Youtube tutorial and the other looks like it was scripted by someone with a lot of practice.
For example, I lost count of the number of conditional checks I found floating around in Zip's last release that literally do NOTHING, entire pages of useless deadend triggers that don't even affect the game.

As for the art evolving, once again it is IMPOSSIBLE for two artists to use the same base assets and get identical results, and the differences (which you apparently cannot see) are glaring and obvious to anyone who has experience with rendering no matter how hard they try. Personal styles are as distinct as fingerprints to other artists.

The only thing both developers have in common is they both produce a weak ass ripoff of the original game and both consistently duped their subscribers... although ZIP is by far the worst offender when it comes to that.

Evolução significa mudança. Apenas isso.

# Evolving is not always in a positive manner. It's just a change favored by the environment (community in this case). Just check Theory of Evolution. So evolving from RA to Zip is possible, like the dinosaurs to birds.

But I understand what you mean. Their scripting is different, their artwork is different, their code is different, therefore they're different people.

No... They're one and the same in different periods with different goals. One alias was making a game from the ground up (better structure), the other alias is making a mod, reusing and tweaking the original code basis, focusing on improving his rendering skills, on which he thinks he's falling behind...

They "worked" together in the original,
they share the same typos and misspellings (some of them really basic),
zip used the same renders from the original in the mod for years without any kind of conflict,
they never talked to each other "in public" (discord or here),
they ghost a lot and milk this to the bone
Axeman (zip) came about when fans started complaining about the lack of sex in the original game

So... Let's agree to disagree.

 

[edgaia]

Is ZipTieFun a Russian?

Não... Esses produzem.

# No... Those deliver.

 

[Sid01]

# Evolving is not always in a positive manner. It's just a change favored by the environment (community in this case). Just check Theory of Evolution. So evolving from RA to Zip is possible, like the dinosaurs to birds.

This wouldn't be evolution, but total regression. Someone who was able to create a reasonably sensible plot and develop it from update to update now has a problem consistently copying their achievements and using models and consistently sticking to the plot. It doesn't make sense. Someone who had an idea for the game was replaced by someone who has no idea for the game and can only imitate by adding scenes.