Eroitch

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They are valid observations though, arguably it's what killed breeding season in the end (dev personality issues aside). Even though this game is kept on minimum life sustain developement to milk money, it is still one of the best breeder types available. Which is a god damn crime, considering any semblence of a competent small dev team who actually want to make a good game could do all that BOTNH is within a year. Imagine what kind of game we would have after all this time, maybe even more than one.
FEATURE CREEP? I'm doubting if you even know what that term refers to. This shit has about half the gameplay elements of Breeding Season. What the fuck do you MEAN feature creep? Yeah sure if minimum life sustain means he MILKS THE FURRY FUCKS. Guys please refrain from making yourself sound stupid. We are talking about 2 years of dev time. You can't simply joke about this with a straight face man...
 

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Is it only me or if others have also come across a case after downloading it says that the archive is corrupted?
 

flannan

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Imho I will always prefer PoP over this, even though it doesn't give much in terms of different phenotypes and other things. At least Syvaron's title has actual gameplay and allows player to use their bred chars for something other than just roaming around and being sold
Well, PoP sure is more of a game, but that's because it's pretty much a hybrid with a different genre. Which might be the right way to make these games.
I would say the same about Monster Black Market.
 

Eroitch

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Well, PoP sure is more of a game, but that's because it's pretty much a hybrid with a different genre. Which might be the right way to make these games.
I would say the same about Monster Black Market.
"More of a game" :ROFLMAO: Gosh man... They aren't even comparable. Syvaron made an actual game and still develops it till this very day even though it could be considered a finished title. While this crap is barely an alpha release... But you know what is the most infuriating in all this? Syvaron still makes less on PoP than this fucker does on this bullshit! AND PEOPLE DEFEND HIM HERE MAN FUUUUUCK!!!
 

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Yes, a new update has been uploaded here today. You can see the change log in the opening post.


"More of a game" :ROFLMAO: Gosh man... They aren't even comparable. Syvaron made an actual game and still develops it till this very day even though it could be considered a finished title. While this crap is barely an alpha release... But you know what is the most infuriating in all this? Syvaron still makes less on PoP than this fucker does on this bullshit! AND PEOPLE DEFEND HIM HERE MAN FUUUUUCK!!!
I think it's fine to stop counting other people's money. BotN in its current state is a reasonably solid porn game, with more porn and less game. While PoP is a good game, but doesn't have much in the way of porn, unless I am missing something.
 

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"More of a game" :ROFLMAO: Gosh man... They aren't even comparable. Syvaron made an actual game and still develops it till this very day even though it could be considered a finished title. While this crap is barely an alpha release... But you know what is the most infuriating in all this? Syvaron still makes less on PoP than this fucker does on this bullshit! AND PEOPLE DEFEND HIM HERE MAN FUUUUUCK!!!
honestly for me its because PoP is a bit too dense for me to comfortably sink into. Its possibly gotten a bit more digestible since I last gave it a run like 2 years ago but when I'm in the mood to play a porn game, my brain usually isn't getting enough blood for deep strategic thinking.
 

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I think it's fine to stop counting other people's money. BotN in its current state is a reasonably solid porn game, with more porn and less game. While PoP is a good game, but doesn't have much in the way of porn, unless I am missing something.
WTF ARE YOU ON ABOUT? YES YOU CLEARLY PLAYED THAT GAME WITH CLOSED FUCKING EYES OR SOMETHING. WHAT? WHAT PORN IS IN THIS GAME??? The fucking lifeless, clipping, twitching, bullshit, basic sex simulator level sex scenes? You can't be fucking serious man! You know of the term smut? SHOW ME THE SMUT in this BULLSHIT game! What the scene with the pink catgirl? NAAAAAAAH dude fuck off with your bullshit!
 
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WTF ARE YOU ON ABOUT? YES YOU CLEARLY PLAYED THAT GAME WITH CLOSED FUCKING EYES OR SOMETHING. WHAT? WHAT PORN IS IN THIS GAME??? The fucking lifeless, clipping, twitching, bullshit, basic sex simulator level sex scenes? You can't be fucking serious man! You know of the term smut? SHOW ME THE SMUT in this BULLSHIT game! What the scene with the pink catgirl? NAAAAAAAH dude fuck off with your bullshit!
someone seems mad XD
 

Eroitch

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honestly for me its because PoP is a bit too dense for me to comfortably sink into. Its possibly gotten a bit more digestible since I last gave it a run like 2 years ago but when I'm in the mood to play a porn game, my brain usually isn't getting enough blood for deep strategic thinking.
I mean crazy right? Not a usual sight to see a porn game with actual gameplay which requires basic brain function!
I have a feeling we are discussing two different games, yes. It's been a few years since I last played it, if it matters.
I implore you then to go and ACTUALLY play that game, and TRY to show me what this bullshit you would think does better. (literally fucking nothing btw)
 

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Excuse me what? You are contradicting yourself.
I don't see what could be contradictory about it. The first statement is a reponse to "only a gallery was added". The second to "only tweaking things" and being lazy. Changing engines is still a lot of work even if in the end it was not implemented into the main release.
Then don't put your work up on patreon or expect people to support you for doing essentially nothing. The problem isn't with laziness, IDC what he does he had enough with developing this shit or whatever I can understand that. I won't understand how you can expect people to stay loyal or support you for doing something like that and then suddenly come out of the woodworks 2 years later and act as if nothing happened. Fuck that, should've just left this game dead like all the others before in this niche genre.
If people want to support "doing essentially nothing" then they should be able to. Some people just like throwing money around.

I haven't and don't plan to financialy support any game not fully finished and/or in a full release state.
I have on the other hand no problem paying a bit more for the fully finished product though if it meets my expectations.

The main problem with early access (even if there is no money involved) is that expectations just get out of hand so easily.
That leads to pressure to implement more and more things. It's basically a feature and scope creep catalyst.
And the worst about it is the higher the expectations the worse the reaction to any delays or refusal to do something.
So you get the shitstorm for free as an added bonus.
But it's still a good way to get feedback and involvement of your potential player (customer) base.

I am well aware of the Dunning-Kruger effect and that is why I am very hesitant when making claims about how easy or complex something is and how much effort it takes to do it. I try not to assume someones intentions for similar reasons.

I understand the frustration as it would be really nice to have some more content to play with.
And I get the sunken cost fallacy because I myself fell for it many times.
But I also found out that I really should be mad about myself and not necessarily others first when making mistakes.
Sure it feels nice to vent but it doesn't solve anything and more importantly doesn't prevent me doing the exact same thing again. And speaking to those others usually just got a lot more awkward and difficult.

I've been following the development of this game since 2020. I liked and disliked many things done and not done in that time.
In the end it was always "good enough" for me not to voice those opinions and give feedback.
 

Eroitch

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someone seems mad XD
Of course man people are mad here I'm fucking losing my mind over this...
I don't see what could be contradictory about it. The first statement is a reponse to "only a gallery was added". The second to "only tweaking things" and being lazy. Changing engines is still a lot of work even if in the end it was not implemented into the main release.

If people want to support "doing essentially nothing" then they should be able to. Some people just like throwing money around.

I haven't and don't plan to financialy support any game not fully finished and/or in a full release state.
I have on the other hand no problem paying a bit more for the fully finished product though if it meets my expectations.

The main problem with early access (even if there is no money involved) is that expectations just get out of hand so easily.
That leads to pressure to implement more and more things...
Nothing. This dev does nothing and gets payed more than many other lesser known devs who pour their very souls into their work, and do actually have something to show for it, while a game like this get exposure for no fucking reason AT ALL while having NOTHING to show for it. You understand why it is frustrating? I don't care about your yapping over early access or fallacies, this isn't the main point here. It's the fucking injustice that happens because of idiots like your very self overplay bullshit games everywhere man, not just here, even on fucking Steam. And nobody bets an eye until a crazy bloke like me runs in with a pitchfork and yells to everyone to go and FUCK THEMSELVES...
 
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