Unreal Engine Breeders of the Nephelym [v0.761.7] [DerelictHelmsman]

[Squark ⚧❤️]

What does excitement even do?

The mouseover tooltip says that it helps stats to rise.

 

[Squark ⚧❤️]

BotN Testing 0.754.2

Hotfix 2:
* Fixed: Crashes in gallery.
* Tweaks to trait passing, balance, and leveling.

Full Hotfix 2 list:

Hotfix 2

• Fixed: Crashes in gallery.
• Balanced: level ranges, slower until level 6, then the rate increases.
• Tweaked: world values, higher level Nephelym have more value.
• New traits, Wild and Domestic.
• Release bonus for Nephelym born at barn and/or pregnant.
• World Level Ranges changed, according to value changes.
• Higher rarities nerfed as trait count, to make breeding more important.
• Fixed: Issues with trait passing.

On the World Value changes, WL1 requires 1000 Pts now, BUT Neph values seem to have been tweaked UP by quite a lot.
For example, I have a LV19 Futa Foxen with the Buxom trait (that my Breeder gave birth to)... And she's worth 220 now instead of 15 or whatever it would have been before. What this effectively means is that the WL system seems to be a LOT less grindy now.
Some might say it's not nearly grindy enough, though.

 

[Deleted member 2810855]

It would be cool if you could select a neph from the farm and have it follow you around and help.

 

[CaptainBipto]

What does excitement even do?

The only thing I have ever seen excitement do is increase the available lust points for a character. I took a dragon with 42 excitement and raised it to 110 (max for that NPC) and all I saw improve was their lust pool getting a bit bigger, all their other stats stayed the same.

 

[CaptainBipto]

I can get legendary offspring from breeding legendary with at least an Unique partner , wont say it's easy , but it is possible with Potent Trait(III) and Nurturing trait (II+). best way to breed with current success rates in 754.1A is to turn off pregnancy, so you can ''breed'' and discard offspring until u run out of lust (of cousre if u have used the infinite lust cheat , u can repeat it till u either get what u want , or u fall asleep from boredom .... but it is possible ...

Thanks for that, I didn't think it was ever possible to get a legendary offspring from breeding.
It does lead into the one thing I really dislike about the new system right now, which is the fact that you need to turn on cheats to get anywhere with breeding.

I have been trying to play the game without cheats (be prepared to embrace your inner masochist) and I have managed to open all gates but 1 (need the Orc Chief quest to open the demon gate) and the grind has been pretty staggering so far.
I used to actually name my Neph and only keep about 5 or 10 of each type, but now they are all default names (wild nephelym) and I fill the barns up with them, level them up some, and then release them to increase the WL, it has been very un-fun to play the game as the Dev 'envisions' it to be.

 

[Charonn57]

The only thing I have ever seen excitement do is increase the available lust points for a character. I took a dragon with 42 excitement and raised it to 110 (max for that NPC) and all I saw improve was their lust pool getting a bit bigger, all their other stats stayed the same.

Their stat RANKS stay same (xept for the MC those never change), but if stat value is under the cap of that rank (S=1500, A=1200, etc) it increases the chance of it improving with a mating session. ofcourse (with pregnancy enabled) on females , the motherly trait (when already pregnant) helps too.

 

[Spillthebeans]

Their stat RANKS stay same (xept for the MC those never change), but if stat value is under the cap of that rank (S=1500, A=1200, etc) it increases the chance of it improving with a mating session. ofcourse (with pregnancy enabled) on females , the motherly trait (when already pregnant) helps too.

The players rank does increase with breeding but I haven't had the chance to test out exactly how that happens, the rank of the mating partner doesn't seem to be a limiting factor as I've had rank ups happen when the partner had E's. My first assumption of how the system would work was that the rank would have an effect on how much of a stat gain you get per level but with how it actually works it seems like levels, at least for the player, are redundant. On one hand I'm relieved that I don't have to go out of my way to only mate with hedonist partners (no xp gain) until I get max ranks before leveling but on the other it feels too easy to max everything out.

 

[mishine]

how do i lvl up traits ?

 

[Clown.34]

how do i lvl up traits ?

lvl up the world race lvl

 

[Charonn57]

The players rank does increase with breeding but I haven't had the chance to test out exactly how that happens, the rank of the mating partner doesn't seem to be a limiting factor as I've had rank ups happen when the partner had E's. My first assumption of how the system would work was that the rank would have an effect on how much of a stat gain you get per level but with how it actually works it seems like levels, at least for the player, are redundant. On one hand I'm relieved that I don't have to go out of my way to only mate with hedonist partners (no xp gain) until I get max ranks before leveling but on the other it feels too easy to max everything out.

Nephelym Stat Ranks seem to affect MC's stat ranks tho (cant test if that changed in 754.2 tho) , yes . they didn't see to be limited by the Nephelym's rank. but they sure influenced the speed of those increases. i did most my starter breeding with minotaurs and Ayrshire , and 1st ranks on my MC to hit Rank S were Strength and Fertility. now with new WL values of Nephelym in 754.2 , i dont need the MC as much as breeding cannon, cuz xept for quick offspring, they always seem to have lvl 1 traits at most. and the 10k lust limit is reached pretty fast ...

 

[puzzlex]

lvl up the world race lvl

how???
there is no such an option in a dialog with emissar to lvl up race or world or whatever

 

[TheInternetIsForThis]

how???
there is no such an option in a dialog with emissar to lvl up race or world or whatever

Release nephs you've bred or caught to increase the level of their species and improve your odds of finding ones with rare traits.

 

[Charonn57]

how???
there is no such an option in a dialog with emissar to lvl up race or world or whatever

World lvl increases when you release Nephelym (like from their barn) hover over their lvl to see how much they are worth (and your current World lvl progress)

 

[Squark ⚧❤️]

I can see how the WL system would confuse new (and returning) players.
Perhaps a new dialogue option could be added to Falene's conversation topics or even a new note on the quest board.

 

[puzzlex]

Thanks

 

[ballman22]

So I've noticed offspring can inherit a lvl I or II trait from parents that have that trait at lvl III, does this mean they can inherit higher lvl traits than parents as well? If they can't then breeding seems pretty pointless atm since, at best, you're getting the same trait level as a parent.

 

[Clown.34]

Breeding works to alot of stuf, like:
When you want a Wyvern with the "Nurturing" trait, but you only have a Harpy with that.
Or when you are trying to breed Hybrids...
Breeding is used to alot of stuff...

But if you ask if both with trait lvl 2 will hotspring a lvl3, i dunno...

 

[ballman22]

Well yeah obviously if you want a hybrid then you'd breed for one, since that's the only way to get one, but if you need something with a specific trait for a quest then it's almost always better to just go find one in the wild. Unless I'm missing something.

Point I was trying to make is that it seems like there's almost no benefit to breeding while there are a lot of negatives, which is kind of weird for a game called Breeders of Nephelym.

 

[Bragh]

Well yeah obviously if you want a hybrid then you'd breed for one, since that's the only way to get one, but if you need something with a specific trait for a quest then it's almost always better to just go find one in the wild. Unless I'm missing something.

Point I was trying to make is that it seems like there's almost no benefit to breeding while there are a lot of negatives, which is kind of weird for a game called Breeders of Nephelym.

That's how I feel too. Supposedly in the new update there were 'tweaks to how traits are passed' and yet I've never seen an offspring in a couple hours of breeding that I even wanted to keep, much less with any properly passed traits. It's just as rare to see a legendary offspring, even from two legendary parents.

In the previous update I played through from scratch and did a test: I did all the special breeding quests by catching and leveling the world rank of those species and just finding the one I needed in the wild, except one: the Elf one. I made it a point to only breed to get that one, and just getting a juicy 3 Elf from breeding was excruciating. I started with an uncommon elf and my breeder in elf spirit form and bred them with every unique and legendary I had with juicy 3. It took longer to get a single juicy 3 elf for the quest with breeding than it did to just catch everything I saw in the other areas, release them all at home, go back and repeat until I found what I needed. I had to turn 'all futas' on to get the Akabeko done. The game refused to give futas at all, much less futa hybrids. I think the chance of a futa offspring is like 20% or something absurd. It's very skewed.

That said, I don't know exactly what the tweaks were, but they don't seem like nearly enough to make breeding worth doing, beside just getting one or some of each hybrid and stopping forever, or just level-grinding. Heck, in the base game you can't even try slowly breeding for a specific color combination because of the inbreeding block.

 

[ballman22]

That's how I feel too. Supposedly in the new update there were 'tweaks to how traits are passed' and yet I've never seen an offspring in a couple hours of breeding that I even wanted to keep, much less with any properly passed traits. It's just as rare to see a legendary offspring, even from two legendary parents.

In the previous update I played through from scratch and did a test: I did all the special breeding quests by catching and leveling the world rank of those species and just finding the one I needed in the wild, except one: the Elf one. I made it a point to only breed to get that one, and just getting a juicy 3 Elf from breeding was excruciating. I started with an uncommon elf and my breeder in elf spirit form and bred them with every unique and legendary I had with juicy 3. It took longer to get a single juicy 3 elf for the quest with breeding than it did to just catch everything I saw in the other areas, release them all at home, go back and repeat until I found what I needed. I had to turn 'all futas' on to get the Akabeko done. The game refused to give futas at all, much less futa hybrids. I think the chance of a futa offspring is like 20% or something absurd. It's very skewed.

That said, I don't know exactly what the tweaks were, but they don't seem like nearly enough to make breeding worth doing, beside just getting one or some of each hybrid and stopping forever, or just level-grinding. Heck, in the base game you can't even try slowly breeding for a specific color combination because of the inbreeding block.

Honestly if it was just changed so that if the offspring inherited a trait that it would be guaranteed to be at least the same level as the parent's trait, then it would remove enough of the RNG. As it stands though, you're not only rolling for whether or not the offspring gets the trait, but also if that trait will be at or below the parent's trait level, with no chance of it being higher from what I've seen.

Combine that with the fact that the offspring starts at level one, and has to roll for stats as well, it just doesn't really make sense to use the breeding system for anything other than flavor.