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pretty sure there used to be a tag?
I think?
that's how i remember, that's why I said that,
though it's not like it's impossible for me to confuse VNs so there's that also.
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I think?
that's how i remember, that's why I said that,
though it's not like it's impossible for me to confuse VNs so there's that also.
Just so you know, I've already started working on chapter 1 dialouges. I'm currently changing them and making the inner monoluges almost none existent. I just need to make sure that the story actually makes sense however.
Now the problem is I no longer have a coder so I need to get a coder at some point. But just so you know all of you I've changed Grace's blackmail story. She's currently being blackmailed because of her nudes. Nothing more, she had no sexual interactions with benoit that's something I can promise you at the moment,
Now the problem is I no longer have a coder so I need to get a coder at some point. But just so you know all of you I've changed Grace's blackmail story. She's currently being blackmailed because of her nudes. Nothing more, she had no sexual interactions with benoit that's something I can promise you at the moment,
That won't change everyone's mind about the game but I know it's a step towards the right direction. I at the start didn't like the idea of old Grace and this is an excuse, but I felt like I could trust my writer and I was told I needed to suck it up, i felt like I couldn't do it alone so I was afraid about what I would say with make me lose another writer. But that makes me no better but I'll do best to do better
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MC: Yeah .. have not met any of them yet.
MC: That is one disconsiderate uncaring deprecating thing to say out the bat.
MC: Why am I here?
MC: Finally .. something to look out for in this game - this babe strangling me.
MC: Need to get those neck muscles hard so I can take the action portion of the shoot.
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Hello patrons and everyone...
So I've been reading a lot, the writing of chapter 1 and chapter 2. I've decided I'm going to rework chapter 1 entirely. Because there is sooo much wrong with the writing and stuff that is just so bad. There was a lot damage done because of the writing of chapter 1.
It's not fair to you the player, the renders as I've seen from a lot of feedback were received well. However the writing just ruined the game for a lot players. So currently chapter 1 is not canon, but it will have some similar things. There will be new renders in chapter 1 as well because they will be needed to elaborate and go along the way to intend the story. Some renders will be scrapped but some will be still but they will need a little PS'd. The renders for doesn't make sense because of how the story was lead so I need to redo a lot of renders with different.
You can unpledge or lower your pledge because I won't be working on the same game because there will be changes and the current story is none canon. I hope you guys understand. Good thing I typed this early so you guys can unpledge so you know The
Mains will be the same, what I mean here is that the character will be kind the same except for a few characters (You guys probably know what I mean)
Anyways I'd appricate if you still support me. But I actually 100% understand if you unpledge.
One more thing, I wanna rewrite it because I want to fix the problems that were caused because of chapter 1. Also I wanna own up to my failure and I fuck it up I fuck it up because of me.
-Knight
I do not understand the gripe about the Grace character or story. More importantly, I do not know how it could play such a major role that I would want to rewrite my game, rework a completed chapter, delay future releases, (which apparently contributed to the firing of a writer), etc.
The existing storyline is mature, realistic, and probable. It breaks from the typical garbage that the majority of visual novels try to peddle. You are attempting to sell a situation where Grace is so distraught by having nude photos that her self-esteem is completely destroyed and she feels like she is not worthy of a single compliment or second-look from a man? Seriously?!
More remarkably, there are such a large number of people so mortally wounded by this storyline that they have chosen to not like or support the entire visual novel?! And these numbers are so high that the project is being reconstructed. Seriously?!
There are obviously many contributing factors in each decision. Nothing is simple and straightforward. Clearly, we do not get the full picture and everything that is involved in making these decisions. At the end of the day, this is just a visual novel. One that I financially support BECAUSE I enjoy the current story. Now, the writer is no longer part of the project. There is no longer a coder. And instead of getting an update, I will be getting reworked material because some people can't handle a mature storyline. Do you see a pattern? Can you deduce where this is going?
The existing storyline is mature, realistic, and probable. It breaks from the typical garbage that the majority of visual novels try to peddle. You are attempting to sell a situation where Grace is so distraught by having nude photos that her self-esteem is completely destroyed and she feels like she is not worthy of a single compliment or second-look from a man? Seriously?!
More remarkably, there are such a large number of people so mortally wounded by this storyline that they have chosen to not like or support the entire visual novel?! And these numbers are so high that the project is being reconstructed. Seriously?!
There are obviously many contributing factors in each decision. Nothing is simple and straightforward. Clearly, we do not get the full picture and everything that is involved in making these decisions. At the end of the day, this is just a visual novel. One that I financially support BECAUSE I enjoy the current story. Now, the writer is no longer part of the project. There is no longer a coder. And instead of getting an update, I will be getting reworked material because some people can't handle a mature storyline. Do you see a pattern? Can you deduce where this is going?
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Congrats. Apparently you're the minority. Or should your opinion count for more than other patrons?
Cuz it sounds like you think your opinion should count for more.
As far as I'm aware this is meant to be a romance VN, so when you have a LI having inner thoughts about her past and the things she did (in this case it went way to far into detail) she loses appeal, it's similar to voyer/pre Li ntr sex scenes (yeah I consider that sneaky ntr) , once this happens that Li loses appeal for a lot of people just as an example, some Devs do it with no harm intended but others do it as a sneaky way to show that Li having sex (usually with some asshole NPC) before she becomes a Li which is something that pisses a lot of people off including myself but also avoids the ntr tag, so even though this is just dialogue it can have the same effect and cause people to dislike her character and the potential future of the game, it was not the right dialogue to use for a romance game, maybe I'm wrong not sure
No intention of being mean, just voiced my opinion and thought it might explain the Devs overall situation and intentions, I'll give it another go when the remake is complete and judge it based on the Devs reworked vision, although if it does have NTR/voyer ntr in the future or swinging stuff then it would help saying it now, haven't gone through the entire thread so don't know if Devs mentioned it
Hope this helped
Anyway Goodluck knight
- Feb 25, 2020
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FFS, bruh, she's a LI and she was the town bicycle that every horny motherfucker fucked when they were too bored to do anything else or just wanted to nut in a pussy. The worst part was that she almost cums while thinking about how that insecure asshole Benoit was pounding her from behind while his wife and her supposed friend was in the other room. She wasn't shy about fucking multiple guys at once, Benoit even recorded her 'performances' for safe keeping.
So let's see... she was a dumb oversexualized ho (the usual porn crap), a backstabbing friend, a cumdump, and she was probably even knocked up by the same asshole who was blackmailing her into becoming his fuckslut again. Still wanna make your MC romance or tie the knot with her ??
Physically, she's a perfect 10, but her backstory makes every player want to completely avoid her and her bullshit.That's the more tamed version of the story. You should've seen the original version...
I agree that this is a little exaggerated, but you can't tell ppl what to do with their money... just to try explaining to SCAMcstor's fans that Milky City is officialy abandoned and see how it goes.
This is a matter of taste and preferences, you like the old story, other ppl don't, it's that simple, and the dev wouldn't waste his time changing shit if he didn't think it was necessary.
It was not just Grace's story line but a real problem with the writer. I don't know if the strange intro is still included after the initial rewrite, if it is you can see that the writer had a very peculiar style of writing. There was the problem with the first version of Grace that she was a skank and all but some paying supporters gave their feedback regarding that and also the style of writing and the excessive inner monologues, for that the writer insulted them and got on his high horse.
Now I might be wrong but as far as I am aware the dev had a partner for the demo release but parted ways with him and began working with a new writer for v0.1, so the writer was insulting the backers from the original release (before he started working on this VN). You can see how that can cause a problem.
You are apparently not a patron. My opinion is not in the minority; nor does it count for anything more or less than yours. Therefore I am within my right to voice my opinion here — even if it disagrees with YOUR opinion. You can view many of those opinions on the public Patreon pages.
But that is not what is really the rub here. No writer is ever going to please every patron. What is really the problem here is scrapping the "old version" to rewrite a new version, apparently based on the opinion that an adult woman should not have made any bad decisions in her life, or have a sexual background. Judge much?
Read the reviews of this VN. How many of them highlight the story? The following reviews are from the original version (i.e. Grace before the dumbing down):
"...you get invested in the characters. Everyone struggles with something and every one is connected to everyone else in some way. Some people might not like the "melodrama", but I liked it very much."
"...great characters who end up feeling like real people more than props in a story. Can't wait to see their stories further."
" As for the story it's another 10/10. "
"Story is great so far, this first chapter did an excellent job..."
"This game is a must try for people that are interested in a good story"
" I fw the characters a lot and I am very interested to see how the story is going to progress ..."
"It's a NOVEL. It feels like award-winning screenwriters are creating this one (maybe they are, IDK). It could be a printed book. I would not mind if there were no sex scenes at all – that’s how good the story is. It makes you engage and think."
"...I recommend jumping in already since it has plenty story. "
" The story is still in its infancy, ...it's already way more creative than much of the other works on this site. I'm not gonna stop too much on the Grace situation as I didn't really mind it, but I understand where the criticism is coming from (it might give out some NTR vibes even if it's not really NTR, weirdly enough)."
" Love interest have their own story to tell not just someone to sleep with, and i really love it when the story plays with emotions."
" But this is obviously a story-focused game, one that is character-driven, so it's well worth bearing in mind that people are complicated and imperfect - many if not most/all of them carry baggage stemming from their jobs, their family, or their past relationships. For one or more of the potential love interest to be flawed, and maybe not be someone that the player would find themselves interested in, is not something that I see as a failure of the game. "
Those are just a few of the reviews. They all comment on the story. Read the reviews of the demo version. Read the reviews PRIOR to the story written with the team that was fired. This VN was NOT doing well. Most of the problems were with the story. Are you seeing a pattern yet?
Apparently, you believe your opinion to be similar to the developer's opinion. That does not invalidate my opinion or make my opinion any less valuable. I appreciate you attempting to explain the Dev's point of view. It is unnecessary. The dev sent messages out to his patrons telling us why he did what he did. I do not understand everything that went into firing the writer or the coder leaving the team. What I DO understand is that the team is no longer with the developer. The TEAM that raised the VN from a 2-star unintelligible mess to a 5-star amazing story. And THAT is just my OPINION. It means no more and no less than your opinion. I vote with my wallet. I have removed my pledge and support for the VN. And I am simply voicing that opinion and decision here, where people have come together to discuss the devs, their work, and everything in-between.
I feel dirty even attempting to respond to this particular comment. Just so I am sure I understand what you are trying to say:
Although this adult woman had an affair with a married man, she recognizes her huge mistake and refuses to continue a relationship with that man. She has a child and was obviously not a virgin so she was, therefore "the town bicycle." She was a "dumb, backstabbing, cumdump" who should be blamed for getting "knocked up" and being blackmailed with nudes and videos of their past indiscretions...
Does that sum up your description of this character and why that story should be changed and removed from the novel?
As a matter of fact, yes! She is (was) my LI of choice because she was an attractive, smart, mature adult who responded amazingly to the MC showing her his kindness, respect, and love. And because of their past together. Not to mention, the woman is a knockout!Still wanna make your MC romance or tie the knot with her ??
But because she has a sexual history that is less than your ideal, you consider her trash? Do I really have to continue?
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not really so much what she did in the past that annoyed a lot of players, though it did had an effect but the fact that she was 2 thoughts away of jizzing in her pants while reminiscing... doesn't really scream to me "I'm so regretful for what I've done , oh noes, I shall not do it again" so yea.. I would not want a LI that thinks like that, town bicycle or not that's not a future romance LI, at least in my view.
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he's not just changing it because fans were not happy with Grace's story
he's changing it because he was not happy with her story
in fact it was a lot of things that happened in chapter one that was against
his original vision of the game and characters that's why he's changing it
now he's making the characters how he wanted them from the start
yes. People complained but he would never changed it if he didn't agree with them
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Jokes aside, looking forward to the rewrite!
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The original writer basicly went nuclear on any comment in discord he thought was critisizing, it's that simple. He needlessly offended many people who gave their opinion that just like you only had the best intentions for the game. They told their opinion on things they considered good and things they considered less then good and why. In short, it was a blatant display of immaturity and lack of respect for people who just honestly gave their feedback.
The dev stepped in, made some adjustments pretty short after that, improving the first release. He's been working hard to adapt to the new situation and get things running again. Yes, the original writer no longer is part of the project and yes this means production is delayed but it's better to have this story evolving without arguments between the devs or patrons.
We all see there's quality, we all wish to see a good product and seriously if you see a problem with a writer that can't handle any critisism or he goes ballistic being gone, i can't see any reason you are even trying to understand the situation.
There's no reason to assume we get a less mature story, we just got a more mature writer now...
I'm confused about this question. There will still be 7 Mains and there will also be sides as well won't set a number
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