Kekekerkek

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hope there will be a lot of content for the next updates :) i think the game is going in the right direction personally
 

Mfka5

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I played other sandbox games, some are great, some are confusing. This game gives me an impression its getting unnecesarily complicated, too much stuff and things going on. I understand why people prefer simple VNs, everyones life is easier then.
 

Komdot

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Oct 9, 2021
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Great update.
If you follow this formula of updates i dont think many people will complain.

Those corruption stats are a bit confusing tho, not sure am i following it correctly. Not really a fan of these complications, some stuff makes you think longer than you should.

Like this for example, during that wolf cave, did Lilly remember those stuff herself or only her "soul" remembered or she doesnt remember at all. You see how confusing it is.


This one is not so much confusing but it makes me wonder how did Lilly manage to get 16000 body counts while looking so young and theres older strippers than her in the game who have less lol

Like does she bang 10 men every single day or what
I always thought this was a bug lmao
 

TheCragger

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Aug 14, 2021
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Oof it's a sandbox now. Wish ya luck with your game Wistala, art is really nice but sandbox is an immediate turnoff for me. Still wish for your game to do well tho :)
Do you even know what Sandbox means? This is a branching interactive story. The only thing less choice based then this is a kinetic novel.
 
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Arkade

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I mean... Lilly is a big slut with an extended lifespan?.. high libido- long lived.. The body count is crazy but think that's just how it is. I know there's some people that want a more innocent/less open to sex heroine because it doesn't seem like an NTR game for your love interest to have already fucked 10s of 10000s of people by the time you start dating her. It's especially silly that you can just tell her to start in a monogamous relationship which seems like something she would never want and maybe physically incapable of honoring unless her partner(you) is equally insatiable... which might not be the case from some choices.

It's well written- but I can understand that if lilly is meant to be the main heroine throughout the game-.. it would throw people off. But at the same time.. if it's going a more sandbox route as last update shows a bit of... Then it would likely allow you to choose which of the people to meet and date same as with lilly which is clearly a placeholder here. Problem with that is- the main story has to continue and I feel like aside from these sandbox moments where you can find scenes by traveling with the character you're dating- the main story will put lilly back to the forefront. Your favorite heroine and/or love interest would never get the same amount of development as lilly.. Maybe expecting heavy NTR elements is not the way to go about it- as non-con stuff- guro/etc. bad ends- is not hitting those themes and now there's deus ex level time traveling so also these scenes will not need to permanently scar/traumatize characters. Especially if they don't remember. Whether their BODY remembers seems to be more about what matters- giving characters stat-checks to decide whether an event happens or not in actual timeline. Hopefully dev is up to that because it's going to get complicated.

Meanwhile Juniper seems rather young compared to the rest of the cast- not interested in sex.. aura of brattiness.. But there's a brat tamer right there as your possible netori threat if everyone had one or multiple. If she ever is a heroine. If the game allows a heroine who has no libido and is looking more for a romantic relationship with feeling over lust that you can get to slowly open up and change her personality for you only- get a little clingy- a bit wholesome.... in a game where everyone fucks everyone and doesn't think too much about it. I mean I guess that's the natural outcome in a world like this. Juniper might be a really rare case.

I'll just say I want a really dark storyline. I want the dark themes and the extreme content. I want everything on and to see everything- probably replaying a couple times if routes made by choices are different enough to have a very different feel. The biggest choice currently is probably the who-to-join one. I think most other minor choices will likely end up being "will this scene play later or not?" but that choice in particular might open a whole new set of characters(and maybe villains of an arc)- so it's a bigger shift. I want all that.. but if the game pushes one character to be clearly main- I wouldn't want it to be someone like Lilly in an hgame. Still way too early to see if she is going to be getting 90% of the content or the gallery will be more split evenly among other characters and Lilly is just the prologue introduction to the world.
 
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Sossse

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dmn i love lily as the main love interesset. she rly has the potential for everything. she can be a (rather friendly)dom, she can pretened to be a sup to please her partner, she rly respect your char if you go for a dedicatet relationship with her and she is even willing to accept a harem for you as long as she gets to play a main part in it. and im sure she can show her claws if your char i.e. goes for a monogamous relationship and tries to betray her. the author rly kept ever door open with her. (still sweet girlfriend lily that trust and loves the MC ist best by a mile:love:)
 

Arkade

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May 23, 2017
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I'm confused, what's wrong with it having sandbox elements?
I think people are believing its going to turn into another glorified scene viewer.. As in- choose a character... Go through the motions in the day cycle to raise numbers to unlock a new scene. Rather than be more story focused with a building climax. But this is easily fixed by having these sandbox elements as a break from the story rather than a part of the story.. Such as taking a couple ingame days where your actions are limited that you can build numbers that will have repercussions in actual main plot but not having anything actually within those days be very important story context... Then simply just go back to a VN for a time like the prologue is.. Before going back to a sandbox break. Staying in sandbox would turn a lot of people off but using it as a way people can tweak their player personality with the statbuilding mechanics to make the main plot more personal makes sense. Like if you took a dominant action because you just liked it much more-... But are actually a submissive player and want the mc to be treated like that as a whole.. And want a heroine to be more like this/that... The sandbox inbetween chapters could help with that.

On that note I love lilly as a character. She can take jokes and is easy going. But still had a strong sense of justice. Shes a good buddy cop type you can feel comfortable with as a good friend. But as I said before- as a love interest things change.
 

desmosome

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Sep 5, 2018
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So I got to the part where I have to pick a house to investigate in Nadir.

I've been trying to play an NTR route, but I see nothing that really supports this idea. Sharing, open relationship, cuck stuff, yeah, they are all there. But not a single hint towards real NTR even being possible. And to prepare for the NTR that never showed up, I was playing the loyal submissive MC that doesn't cheat on Lilly. To me, NTR is all about things happening without MC's consent or desire (or even knowledge), but the game is completely consent based when it is dishing out the fetishes. It's one thing to ask the player if they want to get on a route, but always turning that meta decision of the player into a deliberate choice of the MC doesn't always work for NTR. Isn't turning on NTR in the preferences hint enough that the player is into NTR and that you have the player's blessing to engineer situations that can lead to NTR? But at least the dev definitely understands the difference between the NTR and NTS. It's just that NTR is non-existant.

Plus, it just felt like I was playing it the wrong way. I was working against the natural direction the plot wants to take me. It seems quite clear that this is generally designed as a "rise of the MC" story. The medallion gives him immense powers. The way I see it, the most satisfying and plot/porn relevant way to play this would be as a dominant harem making MC that gets corrupted by the medallion's power.

And any form of sharing, netorase, cheating, and submissive acts, are supposed to happen with MC's explicit consent and desire, not because he is too weak. He may act like a submissive/cuck if the player wants, but it will be just in the bedroom and with generally wholesome vibes. He will still be a competent hero or corrupted anti-hero/villain outside of sexual situations. But actual NTR? It goes against the very nature of the story. Which is probably why I haven't seen a single instance of it up to the point I played.

Just a heads up for others who wants to try an NTR (not cuckold) run. Perhaps there will be a good payoff later by building up a wholesome romance with Lilly if/when she finally has a chance to be stolen by BBC/slavers/whatever. But it will likely be an extremely infrequent branch (that probably lead to bad ends). Not to mention this is a pansexual furry game, so gay stuff will also limit H-content if you are not leaning that way.

That said, despite my playthrough having just a single sex scene, and my choice of MC disposition being contrary to what the plot is trying to set up, I enjoyed the story. There is great world building (quite gritty and dark, actually) and endearing characters. I can totally play this without any fetish mindset, probably. Just playing the hero that wants to romance Lilly and save the world lol.
 

Wistala

Broken Sky Dev
Game Developer
Jul 24, 2020
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I've seen a lot of talk about a few things. The First one being how Lilly's body count is way too high and so on but let's do some math. She is stated to be at *minimum* 200 years old with a body count of 16754. Which sounds like a crazy amount. But 200 years is 73000 days. Meaning she has only had sex, on average, once every 4.3 days. Now that's fairly frequent by a lot of standards but is actually quite low if you're in a relationship. That number is not unique individual partners. It goes up everytime she performs a sexual act even if it with the same person. That being said she is intended to be the main love interest and will have a "pure love" route a "corruption" route and an NTR route. She will still be featured in all of the story missions even if you are romancing another character. It is incredibly ambitious on my end but I would like most romanceable characters to be able to join you on story missions to grow that bond. I'm not guaranteeing that as it is a monumental task, but it would be a cool element.

Next I'd like to discuss the sandbox as it is the big focus of this update. The sandbox will function as an area in-between story missions that will allow you to change how those missions play out based on your decisions. (Who you take with you, whether you succeed or fail, if everyone makes it back alive or not and so on). Each time you enter the sandbox it will be in stages, so right now the highest you can raise Peaches corruption is up to 10 (or maybe 5, I don't remember the value off the top of my head) and it will stay that way until you complete the next story mission and then it's cap will raise. This way I hope to maintain a good balance between intense and gritty story content balanced with wholesome breaks in-between. If you've played it, a good reference would be the game Ravager. I'm taking a similar concept but adding an interact-able map instead of just moving around with text buttons.
 

Wistala

Broken Sky Dev
Game Developer
Jul 24, 2020
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So I got to the part where I have to pick a house to investigate in Nadir.

I've been trying to play an NTR route, but I see nothing that really supports this idea. Sharing, open relationship, cuck stuff, yeah, they are all there. But not a single hint towards real NTR even being possible. And to prepare for the NTR that never showed up, I was playing the loyal submissive MC that doesn't cheat on Lilly. To me, NTR is all about things happening without MC's consent or desire (or even knowledge), but the game is completely consent based when it is dishing out the fetishes. It's one thing to ask the player if they want to get on a route, but always turning that meta decision of the player into a deliberate choice of the MC doesn't always work for NTR. Isn't turning on NTR in the preferences hint enough that the player is into NTR and that you have the player's blessing to engineer situations that can lead to NTR? But at least the dev definitely understands the difference between the NTR and NTS. It's just that NTR is non-existant.

Plus, it just felt like I was playing it the wrong way. I was working against the natural direction the plot wants to take me. It seems quite clear that this is generally designed as a "rise of the MC" story. The medallion gives him immense powers. The way I see it, the most satisfying and plot/porn relevant way to play this would be as a dominant harem making MC that gets corrupted by the medallion's power.

And any form of sharing, netorase, cheating, and submissive acts, are supposed to happen with MC's explicit consent and desire, not because he is too weak. He may act like a submissive/cuck if the player wants, but it will be just in the bedroom and with generally wholesome vibes. He will still be a competent hero or corrupted anti-hero/villain outside of sexual situations. But actual NTR? It goes against the very nature of the story. Which is probably why I haven't seen a single instance of it up to the point I played.

Just a heads up for others who wants to try an NTR (not cuckold) run. Perhaps there will be a good payoff later by building up a wholesome romance with Lilly if/when she finally has a chance to be stolen by BBC/slavers/whatever. But it will likely be an extremely infrequent branch (that probably lead to bad ends). Not to mention this is a pansexual furry game, so gay stuff will also limit H-content if you are not leaning that way.

That said, despite my playthrough having just a single sex scene, and my choice of MC disposition being contrary to what the plot is trying to set up, I enjoyed the story. There is great world building (quite gritty and dark, actually) and endearing characters. I can totally play this without any fetish mindset, probably. Just playing the hero that wants to romance Lilly and save the world lol.
True NTR is coming to the story. I've set some pieces in place that haven't been revealed yet but we are getting to it! Just gotta keep the buildup going!
 

Arkade

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May 23, 2017
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It's one thing to ask the player if they want to get on a route, but always turning that meta decision of the player into a deliberate choice of the MC doesn't always work for NTR. Isn't turning on NTR in the preferences hint enough that the player is into NTR and that you have the player's blessing to engineer situations that can lead to NTR? But at least the dev definitely understands the difference between the NTR and NTS. It's just that NTR is non-existant.
I feel this. I am a big fan of NTR works. But I like to play a competent hero.. I want the NTR to happen but I want it to be a consequence of decisions that I thought were safe or just bad luck. I want to fight against NTR but it to be a looming threat. I dont want -red choice = NTR- or a (NTR!!) In choices that lead to ntr. Because then you have to play an incompetent hero who willingly sabotages himself for scenes. It becomes a scene viewer rather than a surprising or engaging plot. Hopefully dev takes this into consideration and makes more ambiguous choices or forced events when content toggles are set to make it all available. The toggle itself should be the choice to see the scene- rather than yes I want to see scenes like this. And then yes I want to see this specific scene that aligns with the toggle I turned on at the start of the game as well. Plays it too safe and the setting shouldnt be so...
 

zeraligator

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Talking to Armani about what his deal is gives an error in 'line 602' about 'floyd_pet_desire'. No clue who floyd is but he's fucking with the flow.
 

Reedman07

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Jul 24, 2017
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Iirc I played the 0.91 thing, In the new update, is there more story progression? Along with the supposedly kinda "sandbox-y" feature that to my understanding, seems to be a break between missions that if I also remember correctly, wasn't in the 0.9 or the betas or however it used to be referred to.
 

zeraligator

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Hey, I'd like to play with the Extreme setting on but having ntr be canon(even if its in a 'cancelled' time line) doesn't sit well with me, you could even say it kinda fucks me up.
Are the Extreme content things still canon if other options associated with the specific scenes(like ntr) are turned off? Again, I don't mind seeing the rape/snuff/gore content but not if it 'canonizes' ntr.
 
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zeraligator

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Iirc I played the 0.91 thing, In the new update, is there more story progression? Along with the supposedly kinda "sandbox-y" feature that to my understanding, seems to be a break between missions that if I also remember correctly, wasn't in the 0.9 or the betas or however it used to be referred to.
Yes, there's a decent amount of new content, including lewd scenes.
 

Reedman07

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Jul 24, 2017
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Yes, there's a decent amount of new content, including lewd scenes.
Since I have been REALLY invested in the story, the sex scenes are pretty much just a side dish for me now, I just wanna know i there is a good amount of story progression enough to download the game again and play back from scratch
 
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Wistala

Broken Sky Dev
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Jul 24, 2020
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Hey, I'd like to play with the Extreme setting on but having ntr be canon(even if its in a 'cancelled' time line) doesn't sit well with me, you could even say it kinda fucks me up.
Are the Extreme content things still canon if other options associated with the specific scenes(like ntr) are turned off? Again, I don't mind seeing the rape/snuff/gore content but not if it 'canonizes' ntr.
So I'm actually a little torn on this. Currently the extreme scene plays if you have extreme content on regardless of your other content toggles. I am considering making it be skipped if you have NTR turned off as well. The reason I didn't at first is:
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