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Thanks for playing. and I hadn't thought of Finn as a vampire, but I can think of a few ideas
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I can try to put scenes like this
To give some advice. I'd highly reccomend you don't put in NTR. THose that ask for it are a vocal minority and the vast majority of people dislike it. Games often get asked to put it in, but then people get mad about it as it's not what most like and they in fact really dislike it.
Unless a game is built around NTR, i always reccomend to just not have it in, to avoid the trouble as quite few actually like it. Also the whole 'optional NTR' thing is not a good solution either. As it leads to the fact that there COULD be more of it but there isn't and even having it, optional or not cheapens any relationship the protagonist has with whichever girl or boy it is. As simply put them engaging in NTR orbeing open to that pretty much asks the obvious qesiton 'why does my character have to do all this for them, if getting into their pants is so easy?'
Netori is a better choice where it'sthe progagonist taking a girl away from someone who isbad/worse for them, then they are if you wish to add stuff of this genere.
NTR is a slipperly slope that people often argue can just be 'optional' but it's a fallacy and puts a black mark on any girl in a game that is part of it and changes a games tone/feeling.
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thats amazing news! ntr all the way man! also if people dislikes ntr just putting an option to turn off NTR would be enough for ntr haters I guess, so its win win for both who likes and dislikes! goodluck with your work Im already hyped for it now
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please don't NTR is some of the biggest turn offs in any game I play. If you are not extremely confident that you can write well, don't touch NTR,
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All the dev would need to do to avoid upsetting the only people worth caring about is:
1) Make it clear the game is not focused on NTR.
2) Make it optional.
Then the NTR enjoyers (of which there are a massive amount, which is why the genre is so insanely popular. Not a "vocal minority") won't go into the game expecting full NTR, but can still enjoy the one or two scenes when they do show up, as well as all the other non-NTR ones (since if they've actually read that the game is not focused on NTR, they are playing it for the whole package not JUST for NTR). And the people who dislike NTR can just click the no NTR choice / option and never have to see it. As long as it's clear the game is not focused on NTR, the people with working brains won't get mad at the lack of NTR scenes. And as long as those scenes are optional, the people who don't like NTR can just turn it off.
The people left crying at that point are brainless wastes of time who aren't worth caring about because they're too stupid to read what the game has in the first place.
Either way I wouldn't be playing the Finn game because I don't enjoy male protagonist focused games, but figured I'd put my two cents in there because I see yet another person crying at the mere mention of NTR in a fictional fake video game.
Good luck with the next game though, Dev.
That argument doesn't quite work for the simple reason that even having NTR scenes in at all takes away time and energy that could of gone to scenes other than NTR. And as siad, just making it optional and saying it's not about NTR isn't a good solution as it still cheapens the girls and any kind of relationship.
If it's so easy to have sex with them, why are you the one having to do work for it if someone else can just show up and get them to have sex with them so easily? Just throwing in the 'optional and can be turned off' aspect doesn't fix the story breakage that comes from it.
It just makes the girl into an easy lay/slut that for some random reason is making you do work while some other guy gets her easily. So it inheritly damaged the entire game and story. Which is why putting in NTR doesn't work unelss you build the entire game around it and even trying to write around that is a really messy and tricky thing to attempt that even NTR foucused games fail at accomplishing.
And there really isn't a 'massive'amount of NTR enjoyers. More like as said a vocal minotiry here on the site. The proof being look up how many games that added NTR on request or cause the dev chose to. After that, there wasn't suddenly an influx of NTR fans supporting it. Just a ton of backlash from those who dislike it.
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They aren't real people. And if it's optional / your choice and you choose no, then it doesn't happen, therefore they aren't an easy lay for someone else. Since it never happens. And it may only be for one or two of the girls. Why should an entire genre of kink be refused from the game entirely and called a "waste of time" just because YOU personally don't like it? Some people don't like pregnancy, guess the dev should never have done a pregnancy scene either. Some people don't like anal, guess all anal content should be cut as a waste of time!
See the point here? Just because you don't enjoy something, it doesn't mean it doesn't belong. That's the whole point of things being optional. Your preferences don't matter more than the person who asked for a potential NTR scene, so relax and let the dev write what they think would be fun for the players to have included as an option. Don't get all angry about a fictional girl because if you choose a certain option she could sleep with someone else when you're the one in control of it, it's weird.
As for backlash against NTR, that's the real vocal minority. Most people aren't so unstable that they can't separate reality from a video game and can avoid the NTR parts of a game without crying about it existing. The fact it gets added to so many games is proof of its popularity. It's not a "vocal minority" when it comes to games who poll content additions and NTR wins polls so often. That's just plain popularity.
I can only imagine how the diehard NTR haters feel when they learn that Yennefer cheats on Geralt in the Witcher.
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Your points are valid. But you failed to adress the main core issue. The story breakage that comes from NTR. It's a simple hard fact that adding NTR breaks any story unless it's built around it. Same as the girl. As it simply creates the problem of 'Why am I doing this in game/why does my character have to do all this to get with this girl nad do stuff with her, if it's THAT easy to get into her pants that someone else can just show up and do it?'
Your points are valid but fail to adress this. No matter how you want to spin it, this breaks any games story and relaitonship building as everything feels like a waste of time. As why are WE putting in all this work if it's so easy to have her that someone else can just swoop in?
This is the core problem with NTR that can't be debated.Real or not the STORY itself is damaged.
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It doesn't have to, though. It depends on the situation and the writing behind it. Do you really have to work all that hard for that specific girl? Or is she pretty easy for you as well? Maybe she just enjoys sex in general, just like the male protagonist obviously does. Nothing wrong with a girl who just wants to enjoy herself, after all the protagonist is apparently doing the same.
And is the other character really just showing up and getting her with no effort, or does that other character ALSO work hard? Is the NTR/No NTR option specifically about that? Are both characters working for something to impress the girl, and your option there is whether you win or lose to this character, and if you lose to them, they get the girl? Doesn't even have to directly be win/lose, maybe it's all about how you act towards her. Or whether you decide the effort isn't worth it and move on to someone else, and the rival does put the effort in and earns her.
I just gave you situations in which the core story of the game is improved by NTR, not damaged. Your own actions have consequences, your own choices. So stating that NTR always damages the story is just plain silly. Plenty of games have done optional NTR very well without damaging the story, and those games are more popular even for NTR lovers because plenty of NTR lovers tend to like a good story behind their NTR situation as well. There are lots of ways to write out an NTR arc / character that enriches the experience as a whole rather than having it just be cheap and thrown in out of nowhere.
Anyway, I'd say this conversation is about at an end on my side at this point. I don't think I have anything more to add that I haven't already stated in some way or another, so I will likely leave your next reply on read instead of responding again. Don't want to turn this into a neverending NTR debate.
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that was exacly what in my mind but felt too lazy to explain it. also I dont like male protagonist games as well but if its NTR I might give it a try
Ok i took some time to just calm and think and im going to explain it very carefully why NTR shouldn't be put in. Simply put, NTR doesn't add anything to games and is a waste of time unless that game is foucused around NTR and frankly people don't want NTR to be put into storeis not about it. Anyone who argues NTR is super popular and that the people who get mad about it are a vocal minority are either wrong or outlright lying. Cause that is simply not true.
NTR has a fandom yes, but it's a fetish at it's core and not a very popular one at that, outside of certain cirlces.The vast majority of people are vanilla enjoyers. NTR is not the same as footjobs or Anal or pregnancy. It's diffrent cause unlike all the rest of those it is inheritly tied into the girls character and the story.It's a massive shift and change to it the moment it's introduced.
The girls is not only permantly changed, it makes any show of love or affection she offers in that game hollow. As said, go playgames focused around NTR. They all have this issue with romantic partners where none of their stories are really that well written or handled cause the girl tends to bounce between being sweet and affectionete and angry and annoyed at you for no reason beyond you made some arbirarty choice.
So making it optional doesn't work. Cause it's not just some extra tag/fetish to the game. It is not anal, it is not footjobs, it is not thighjobs cause it's not a sex act. It's a massive story change and the average porn enjoyer doens't like it cause it feels frankly insulting to them.
You can't just argue NTR is simply another fetish like pregnancy cause it's not. It is inehirtly a story and writing decicion and character changer and people who ask for it, don't even care about that. Look up almost any game that is asked if the dev can add NTR to it. All the askers for it, are wanting is a NTR scene that tends to be disjointed and clashes with the plot and characteirzation.
SO many games have just put NTR in cause it was requested and it almost always blew up intheir faces . Look at buissness of loving as a perrfect recent example of this and why it shoudln't be done without great care.
NTR has a fandom yes, but it's a fetish at it's core and not a very popular one at that, outside of certain cirlces.The vast majority of people are vanilla enjoyers. NTR is not the same as footjobs or Anal or pregnancy. It's diffrent cause unlike all the rest of those it is inheritly tied into the girls character and the story.It's a massive shift and change to it the moment it's introduced.
The girls is not only permantly changed, it makes any show of love or affection she offers in that game hollow. As said, go playgames focused around NTR. They all have this issue with romantic partners where none of their stories are really that well written or handled cause the girl tends to bounce between being sweet and affectionete and angry and annoyed at you for no reason beyond you made some arbirarty choice.
So making it optional doesn't work. Cause it's not just some extra tag/fetish to the game. It is not anal, it is not footjobs, it is not thighjobs cause it's not a sex act. It's a massive story change and the average porn enjoyer doens't like it cause it feels frankly insulting to them.
You can't just argue NTR is simply another fetish like pregnancy cause it's not. It is inehirtly a story and writing decicion and character changer and people who ask for it, don't even care about that. Look up almost any game that is asked if the dev can add NTR to it. All the askers for it, are wanting is a NTR scene that tends to be disjointed and clashes with the plot and characteirzation.
SO many games have just put NTR in cause it was requested and it almost always blew up intheir faces . Look at buissness of loving as a perrfect recent example of this and why it shoudln't be done without great care.
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NTR haters really will write paragraphs to try to make devs not add it to their games lol.