Ren'Py Burning Boundaries [v0.1.4] [T4bbo]

[Joint311]

It has nothing to do with history (even then, T4bbo isn’t the only dev like that), but thinking your game is so special that it deserves to have DRM.

Probably uses the same slippery-slope excuse “for his supporters”, similar to “for the children”.

excuse me for my ignorance but what is DRM?

 

[housekinokuni1974]

excuse me for my ignorance but what is DRM?

a protection system like denuvo if im not saying bs

 

[Filipis]

excuse me for my ignorance but what is DRM?

Digital Rights Management.

It's a sort of a verification system used to check if the license to use/consume a given digital product is valid and/or genuine.

If you ever heard of Denuvo Anti-Tamper, that is a popular DRM system used by mainstream games to prevent piracy upon release.

Needless to say, it often causes performance issues (not applicable to mere AVNs due to their complexity), but also general inconvenience on the part of both paying customers and pirates - adding additional steps before you can actually play the product you "purchased".

 

[xert13]

Ah, the classic i-hate-f95-for-leaking-my-game-so-ill-add-a-drm-system-to-piss-off-everyone-even-though-f95-is-the-reason-my-game-reached-the-fanbase-it-has-in-the-first-place move.

You love to see devs shooting themselves in the foot while chasing every dollar they can get their hands on.

No wonder Valve keeps winning… they just let all the fools shoot.

Yeah, how dare the Dev want to make money on his work! Can't blame him in the least. He is correct. I used to subscribe to him but stopped because it was always leaked fast on here. I'm sure many did the same. At least this way some will simply subscribe to get the release and then unsubscribe. What I dislike are those Devs that put a time frame on when you can download the game once you subscribe. Your theory rings hollow as well. I've read many a poster claim F95 is the reason games became popular. True, to a degree. It certainly generates interest, but the Dev cannot then expect no money for his/her efforts. If games are pirated onto the site within a day or two of release, then what incentive do the Dev's have? None. Do you go to work, try to do a good job in the hope of a promotion, but don't get paid?

 

[SerasAshrein]

Our first DRM tests actually improved game performance, so no need to worry about that.

It won’t be Denuvo, but it’s getting close — you might have to ask Empress for a "hand". If interested, which I doubt, I’m sure she’d "deal with it in seconds", but when it comes to actually cracking the game, she’d probably prefer to take her time… if you know what I mean.

And threatening to blacklist a game on a piracy forum is a real oxymoron. I don’t mind moving all that traffic and google searches to Steam anyway. But I will miss you guys!

Well, if you screw up with the game on Steam, come on over, we'll be waiting for you, and 40% of the players from the court will buy the game on Steam, and the average sales of this game will be, I'll tell your fortune, the cards told me so.

 

[cxx]

Haven't read this thread a long time, does something happen to the game?

yes, mc actually started erica path "angel"ica is getting frustrated.

 

[CursedByAll]

Haven't read this thread a long time, does something happen to the game?

Yeah, it turned into the Tony & Lara Shit-Show, dev got a big head, and now the whole pile of crap is headed to Steam, just like all the average NTR crap does.

 

[Filipis]

Yeah, how dare the Dev want to make money on his work! Can't blame him in the least. He is correct. I used to subscribe to him but stopped because it was always leaked fast on here. I'm sure many did the same. At least this way some will simply subscribe to get the release and then unsubscribe. What I dislike are those Devs that put a time frame on when you can download the game once you subscribe. Your theory rings hollow as well. I've read many a poster claim F95 is the reason games became popular. True, to a degree. It certainly generates interest, but the Dev cannot then expect no money for his/her efforts. If games are pirated onto the site within a day or two of release, then what incentive do the Dev's have? None. Do you go to work, try to do a good job in the hope of a promotion, but don't get paid?

By that logic, none of the mainstream games would ever make a profit because all games leak eventually (thanks to pirates).

Guess what? There exist people (like me) that subscribe & financially support devs that make excellent products, no matter how fast the end product is available for free. It's called being a decent human being.

Piracy is unavoidable, and trying to fight it (especially in the AVN industry) is futile effort.

 

[SonsOfLiberty]

Our first DRM tests actually improved game performance, so no need to worry about that.

It won’t be Denuvo, but it’s getting close — you might have to ask Empress for a "hand". If interested, which I doubt, I’m sure she’d "deal with it in seconds", but when it comes to actually cracking the game, she’d probably prefer to take her time… if you know what I mean.

And threatening to blacklist a game on a piracy forum is a real oxymoron. I don’t mind moving all that traffic and google searches to Steam anyway. But I will miss you guys!

You will have to share the traffic with a very "popular book and reality TV show".

And EMPRESS, don't make us laugh. EMPRESS was a crazy lunatic bitch and hasn't been seen in years, she probably started her own cult and harem by now with her lunatic fans, and she only fucked with Denuvo. Even Denuvo can be easily bypassed now without her, basically there isn't a game out there you can't play or get free. And to Steam, I guess you aren't caught up on the news with Steam.

And threating? It's not a threat, look at Inceton Games, seen them pop up on F95 lately? They added DRM, failed miserably, got blacklisted, and removed the DRM and now they still don't get promoted on F95. They lost close to 1K Patreon's due to this decision or roughly 23% of paying members. They didn't put this DRM on Steam either...

 

[Eleanorduval]

Yeah, it turned into the Tony & Lara Shit-Show, dev got a big head, and now the whole pile of crap is headed to Steam, just like all the average NTR crap does.

Do you thing he will finish one of this late night show?

 

[CursedByAll]

Do you thing he will finish one of this late night show?

I don't believe he is capable of "finishing" any path in any game. He has yet to do it, at all. Every storyline in this game still has a hanging tail as lumpy as an elephant migration....

 

[Joint311]

You will have to share the traffic with a very "popular book and reality TV show".

And EMPRESS, don't make us laugh. EMPRESS was a crazy lunatic bitch and hasn't been seen in years, she probably started here own cult and harem by now with her lunatic fans, and she only fucked with Denuvo. Even Denuvo can be easily bypassed now without her, basically there isn't a game out there you can't play or get free. And to Steam, I guess you aren't caught up on the news with Steam.

And threating? It's not a threat, look at Inceton Games, seen them pop up on F95 lately? They added DRM, failed miserably, got blacklisted, and removed the DRM and now they still don't get promoted on F95. They lost close to 1K Patreon's due to this decision or roughly 23% of paying members. They didn't put this DRM on Steam either...

didnt steam ban a bunch of creators of vns?

 

[Eleanorduval]

didnt steam ban a bunch of creators of vns?

yeah

 

[SonsOfLiberty]

didnt steam ban a bunch of creators of vns?

That was over a month ago at this point, there have been other developments since then. Getting rid of early access for adult games, rejecting any games that had applied for it. Banning adult game update that add new content, it has to be done another way, rejecting a lot more games now, there are more issues with Steam going now as well.

 

[Eleanorduval]

That was over a month ago at this point, there have been other developments since then. Getting rid of early access for adult games, rejecting any games that had applied for it. Banning adult game update that add new content, it has to be done another way, rejecting a lot more games now, there are more issues with Steam going now as well.

not gonna name the game between many of them was banned of some countries.For violating the rules according to the devs

 

[Joint311]

That was over a month ago at this point, there have been other developments since then. Getting rid of early access for adult games, rejecting any games that had applied for it. Banning adult game update that add new content, it has to be done another way, rejecting a lot more games now, there are more issues with Steam going now as well.

i don't use steam anymore so i'm not really in the loop with news about it

 

[SonsOfLiberty]

i don't use steam anymore so i'm not really in the loop with news about it

There has been major fallout in the last few months (still ongoing). It's about censorship, and payment processors dictating what we can buy with our own money.

This just isn't Steam, it affected Itch.io, it has affected many "adult" oriented sites in Japan, manga, toys, games, and so on. It has even for a few years now affected Anime.

Thankfully some sites in Japan are fighting back.

At the end of the day, it boils down to censorship and Steam having to remove a lot of games with certain tags and words and content, same with Itch.io. Steam is also rejecting more and more games and changing more and more things.

This isn't Steam's fault by a long shot really (it kind of is since they bent the knee), the blame is with MasterCard, Visa, and PayPal.

 

[xert13]

By that logic, none of the mainstream games would ever make a profit because all games leak eventually (thanks to pirates).

Guess what? There exist people (like me) that subscribe & financially support devs that make excellent products, no matter how fast the end product is available for free. It's called being a decent human being.

Piracy is unavoidable, and trying to fight it (especially in the AVN industry) is futile effort.

Yes, I too support devs that make excellent products that end up on here. I just don't begrudge a Dev's effort to keep the game off the site for a period of time to make money. If it was all a futile effort, then why bother? How many supporters does a Dev lose if their product ends up on a pirate site within the first 24 hours? It completely relies on the goodness of people to support the Dev, otherwise why bother when you get it for free anyhow? Those I support do not have their game pirated within a day. I bet many on this site do what I do and have a scale that balances desire to support vs time it is pirated.

 

[IHATESlowburnBluBallgames]

Yes, I too support devs that make excellent products that end up on here. I just don't begrudge a Dev's effort to keep the game off the site for a period of time to make money. If it was all a futile effort, then why bother? How many supporters does a Dev lose if their product ends up on a pirate site within the first 24 hours? It completely relies on the goodness of people to support the Dev, otherwise why bother when you get it for free anyhow? Those I support do not have their game pirated within a day. I bet many on this site do what I do and have a scale that balances desire to support vs time it is pirated.

I support games too, just not ones that have an old fucker that bangs your wife in every update cause that’s all his perv patrons want

 

[Sharpx23]

Yeah, how dare the Dev want to make money on his work! Can't blame him in the least. He is correct. I used to subscribe to him but stopped because it was always leaked fast on here. I'm sure many did the same. At least this way some will simply subscribe to get the release and then unsubscribe. What I dislike are those Devs that put a time frame on when you can download the game once you subscribe. Your theory rings hollow as well. I've read many a poster claim F95 is the reason games became popular. True, to a degree. It certainly generates interest, but the Dev cannot then expect no money for his/her efforts. If games are pirated onto the site within a day or two of release, then what incentive do the Dev's have? None. Do you go to work, try to do a good job in the hope of a promotion, but don't get paid?

Make what money? You think I am or will ever be a paying customer? I am here for free, as soon as something is not free, I move on to free. I was never a customer. If nothing is free, I will move on to something else that is free doesn't even need to be games. That's sort of the mistake devs make when they think they are losing money from piracy, they aren't because 100% of the time if someone is stealing something they were never going to buy it, and if they were... well then they buy it... or pay later when they can regardless.

DRM can be cracked like anything else so it really makes no difference, someone will always exist who will put in the effort to crack it so people like me can play it for free. If the developer wants to constantly put in effort to patch the crack and waste their life - as opposed to rely on free advertising by people loving their game and praising it when they do play it free - that's on the dev, all it does ultimately is create a bad reputation for them because they come across as greedy, controlling, narcissistic etc. despite the fact that people are entitled to earn money for work they do - the basic idea is to get that money from people who can afford to pay it.

I can play the game free someday, it can be 7 years from now doesn't matter to me. See you in 7 years. In other words you are not nor were you ever getting my money regardless of how good or bad the game was, and regardless of what you do. But I'll still be getting your game.