can we delete all "AI CG" games

FoolsBeGone

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Ah... I remember back when the newspaper people ranted about the radio, who then ranted about the TV, who then ranted about the internet...
"Nobody likes it!" "It will ruin us!" "We should stop it!"
Exactly! With progress will always be those who oppose it. For good or ill progress progresses despite opposition.
 
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Count Morado

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In this case your "progress" is mass produced dogshit served on a plate and i think we should oppose it on principle.
You're just regurgitated the same argument over and over even after it is found to be lacking any substance, itself. Your argument is mass produced.

Also, similar to what Hagatagar stated earlier-
The same has been said of radio, films, television, internet, etc etc etc.
You're saying nothing new.

Hell, acclaimed film director Martin Scorsese has essentially said the exact same thing about the MCU in 2019.

AI is a tool. Some are good at using tools and some still need more practice. This site is has many creators of varying skill. If you don't like seeing it, don't look at it.

It's like going to an arts and crafts mall and stating that you hate seeing homemade stuff for sale. Suck it up and move along.
 

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You're just regurgitated the same argument over and over even after it is found to be lacking any substance, itself. Your argument is mass produced.

Also, similar to what Hagatagar stated earlier-
The same has been said of radio, films, television, internet, etc etc etc.
You're saying nothing new.

Hell, acclaimed film director Martin Scorsese has essentially said the exact same thing about the MCU in 2019.

AI is a tool. Some are good at using tools and some still need more practice. This site is has many creators of varying skill. If you don't like seeing it, don't look at it.

It's like going to an arts and crafts mall and stating that you hate seeing homemade stuff for sale. Suck it up and move along.
Don't forget about sewing machines and clothes! He'd be in total shock that his clothes are made by soulless machines instead of being hand sewn! :Kappa:
 

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I'm waiting for Sora level animations in AVNs. Imagine being able to take a story you've been wanting to tell and spend hours versus days coming up with graphics and animations for it.
 

skyblueaster

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Your art looks like AI though. :unsure:
Looks like a troll recently tagged it, and mods accepted it without doing research.

It has the ai cg tag and looks like ai art.
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Yup.
Nope, if you check my you can see the artists that worked on my game.
If only it was AI, then I wouldn’t need to max my credit card paying for art >< .
I’m not paying thousands of dollars for JP translations and voice acting to skimp on ART of all things.

Honestly, this is kind of depressing. It’s one thing for my game to be pirated, but it’s really an insult to the artists who work decades to have their stuff labeled AI…

EDIT: AI tag removed, mods weren’t sure why the tag was added. All is good now. :3
I can sleep at night now, haha.

Give me back my like! Lol.
 
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skyblueaster

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You're making an ntr game though?!
What a marketing campaign you have running, it deserves respect.
Yes, I love NTR haha. But it’s completely avoidable, and we have a substantial number of vanilla readers. :3
I've been told that the game is quite thrilling to read, and seeing Akari fight back is cathartic.

Ahhh, I don’t know about marketing. I’m really bad at it. It’s soooooooo hard to get the word out, that I'm jumping up and down if I get a patron for the day, haha.
 

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Yes, I love NTR haha. But it’s completely avoidable, and we have a substantial number of vanilla readers. :3
I've been told that the game is quite thrilling to read, and seeing Akari fight back is cathartic.

Ahhh, I don’t know about marketing. I’m really bad at it. It’s soooooooo hard to get the word out, that I'm jumping up and down if I get a patron for the day, haha.
Are you gonna release the game on steam?
I am not a fan of subscription services, but steam? I will buy it for sure.
 

skyblueaster

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Are you gonna release the game on steam?
I am not a fan of subscription services, but steam? I will buy it for sure.
Yes, the game is purchasable on right now! Chapter 1 is available as a free, voiced demo.
It will be available on Steam sometime in February.

※If the price is too high, you can wait for a sale. I think the price is fair for how much time and work I invested in it, but I understand if it’s a bit much for some peeps. (Almost no hentai games have full voice acting like mine.)

I like subs since it gives me a reliable source of income to work with, but I understand some people are averse to it.

… I guess the game is also available here if people really can't afford it lol. ><
But I just hope they return the favor one day. :)
 

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Yes, the game is purchasable on right now! Chapter 1 is available as a free, voiced demo.
It will be available on Steam sometime in February.

※If the price is too high, you can wait for a sale. I think the price is fair for how much time and work I invested in it, but I understand if it’s a bit much for some peeps. (Almost no hentai games have full voice acting like mine.)

I like subs since it gives me a reliable source of income to work with, but I understand some people are averse to it.

… I guess the game is also available here if people really can't afford it lol. ><
But I just hope they return the favor one day. :)
Aye, I'll wait for steam release though, 30$ is fair, most alicesoft tiles are 40 or 50$, and last time I bought something from alicesoft it was 115$ lol
 
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Don't forget about sewing machines and clothes! He'd be in total shock that his clothes are made by soulless machines instead of being hand sewn! :Kappa:
Sewing machines still requires a human to operate.
A significant amount of human labor is required to make a T-shirt. The process is nowhere close to being automated.

Sending a prompt to NovelAI takes significantly less skill and effort than stitching together a T-shirt, most people would agree.
On a single day, I can make thousands of AI illustrations. In that same time frame, I can only make a dozen T-shirts at best.

Unlike shirts, which have a resource, time, and skills cost, there is no limit with AI.
Just one person can spam millions of images a week, which is why online digital galleries have been completely overrun by AI.

If you buy a T-shirt, that money is subsidizing resources, time, and labor that went into its production.
But for AI art, the resource and time expenditure is close to nil. Where exactly is the money going toward?
I would have less contempt for AI if royalties were paid to the artists that the models were trained off of. But the AI megacorporations will never do that; apparently stealing is OK if you’re a big enough company.

Since AI is here to stay, I have no problem with AI if it’s used with other contexts, like to supplement a well-written story. But AI art, consumed on its own, does not hold much intrinsic value for me.
 

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Sewing machines still requires a human to operate.
Here I disagree.

Is there shit AI art? Yup.
There is also shit 2d art.
There is shit 3d art.

Firstly, it took tens thousands of human hours to create an AI that can take written prompts, interpret them, and then generate something.

Secondly, any new person with a new to them tool is going to put out lackluster results.

Your artists didn't just wake up one morning with the magical ability to create art. They made a shitton of shit in order to get where they are today.

Same with people who are using AI to generate art. When they start, they are shit. As time moves on and they learn how to properly express their vision so that an AI can get close and then having the AI regenerate and revise areas of art and then make final adjustments using Photoshop, Illustrator - the art gets much better.

So much better that some AI generated art has won awards against humans and then the people behind the prompts had to share the actual creation was generated by AI.

A significant amount lf human labor is required to make a T-shirt. The process is nowhere close to being automated.
Not at a manufacturing facility.

For your artists, they have all the things they need to make their art... Except their effort.

For manufacturing tshirts, starting with thread and fabric - one person at the fabric roller computer, one at the cutting computer, one at the stitching computer, one at the stacking computer, one at the packaging computer can create 10s of thousands of shirts in a brief time.

Your comparison falls short.
Just one person can spam millions of images a week
Millions? No need to use hyperbole.
Unlike shirts, which have a resource, time, and skills cost, there is no limit with AI.
This is fallacious and you know it. There is time, skills, and resources (electricity, computer, etc) for AI generative art.

On a single day, I can make thousands of AI illustrations.
And they would look like shit. Just like drawing a ton of art by hand in a day would also look like shit.

You're blaming the tool for the person's lack of training, practicing, and talent.

These are terrible arguments you are making.

I am neither an AI lover nor hater, but I'm going to be honest about the process.
 

skyblueaster

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Here I disagree.

Is there shit AI art? Yup.
There is also shit 2d art.
There is shit 3d art.

Firstly, it took tens thousands of human hours to create an AI that can take written prompts, interpret them, and then generate something.

Secondly, any new person with a new to them tool is going to put out lackluster results.

Your artists didn't just wake up one morning with the magical ability to create art. They made a shitton of shit in order to get where they are today.

Same with people who are using AI to generate art. When they start, they are shit. As time moves on and they learn how to properly express their vision so that an AI can get close and then having the AI regenerate and revise areas of art and then make final adjustments using Photoshop, Illustrator - the art gets much better.

So much better that some AI generated art has won awards against humans and then the people behind the prompts had to share the actual creation was generated by AI.


Not at a manufacturing facility.

For your artists, they have all the things they need to make their art... Except their effort.

For manufacturing tshirts, starting with thread and fabric - one person at the fabric roller computer, one at the cutting computer, one at the stitching computer, one at the stacking computer, one at the packaging computer can create 10s of thousands of shirts in a brief time.

Your comparison falls short.

Millions? No need to use hyperbole.

This is fallacious and you know it. There is time, skills, and resources (electricity, computer, etc) for AI generative art.


And they would look like shit. Just like drawing a ton of art by hand in a day would also look like shit.

You're blaming the tool for the person's lack of training, practicing, and talent.

These are terrible arguments you are making.

I am neither an AI lover nor hater, but I'm going to be honest about the process.
My aunt took years, if not decades, sewing to get where she was. The tools she has and the techniques she learned are invaluable.
As for AI art? It took her a few hours in a bored afternoon, at best, to prompt "AI art" rivaling the level you see in those Steam AI games. The kicker? No one can tell who made what because they all use the same algorithms and models.

The two cannot be compared whatsoever. I don’t even want to entertain this thread anymore because it’s just arguing in bad faith. AI artists know this, and that’s why they commonly obfuscate the origins of their art, while real artists have no problem discussing their techniques and training.

And please do not bring the results of art competitions (known for being rife with corruption and kickbacks) into this. The judges there have as much qualifications as the left paw of my dog.