can we delete all "AI CG" games

[Count Morado]

My aunt took years, if not decades, sewing to get where she was. The tools she has and the techniques she learned are invaluable.
As for AI art? It took her a few hours in a bored afternoon, at best, to prompt "AI art" rivaling the level you see in those Steam AI games. The kicker? No one can tell who made what because they all use the same algorithms and models.

The two cannot be compared whatsoever. I don’t even want to entertain this thread anymore because it’s just arguing in bad faith. AI artists know this, and that’s why they commonly obfuscate the origins of their art, while real artists have no problem discussing their techniques and training.

And please do not bring the results of art competitions (known for being rife with corruption and kickbacks) into this. The judges there have as much qualifications as the left paw of my dog.

Yes, you are the one arguing in bad faith.

You are comparing people who have practiced for years to people who are just starting out and at the forefront of a new technology

My oldest is attending a highly reputable art college where they are teaching AI - how to use, improve, the ethics, capability, how to leverage it in their own work, etc.

This is utterly ridiculous.

Good day.

 

[FoolsBeGone]

In this case your "progress" is mass produced dogshit served on a plate and i think we should oppose it on principle. Also the lack of soul in Ai art makes it hard to whack off

theres not a single even half decent ai art game on here. They are all shit (Just like 95% of the non ai games here)

then go away instead of boring us with your drivel.

 

[FoolsBeGone]

But it does revolve around yo mama.

oh wow there is the maturity I expected from the four year old who is on his mommies computer.

 

[Fine Motion]

Sometimes you need to conform to the great trend of the times...

 

[SamuraiDice]

oh wow there is the maturity I expected from the four year old who is on his mommies computer.

Define maturity intrinsically as a concept without reference to how other people want you to act and perceive you.

 

[youbet567]

When AI gets good enough - you won't know it's AI anymore - it's already happening.

Not gonna happend
read my previous post why
AI art is 2D
it can never replace real 3D content

explain how you can change camera views with AI and KEEP the models faces and environment intact?
Its NOT POSSIBLE.
because AI DONT KNOW WHAT 3D SPACE IS.

 

[DreamingAway]

AI artists know this, and that’s why they commonly obfuscate the origins of their art, while real artists have no problem discussing their techniques and training.

This is not true though. Before AI hit the scene tracing and art theft was rampant on Deviant / Art Station. I remember seeing a gaming art show where recruiters from Blizzard and Riot were talking about how hard it is to hire artists because there was so much theft and false attribution going on in portfolios - this was happening in concept art and 3D / Animation world.

Acting like Art was this pristine utopia before AI came along is just a fantasy.

read my previous post why
AI art is 2D
it can never replace real 3D content

explain how you can change camera views with AI and KEEP the models faces and environment intact?
Its NOT POSSIBLE.
because AI DONT KNOW WHAT 3D SPACE IS.

Oh I read your post.. It's just wrong. AI can absolutely learn coordinate space, UV Mapping, Lighting, etc. Many of the large 3D programs are actively working on or already implementing AI tools in Animation / Rendering / etc.

In fact probably in the next few years all scene rendering will be AI driven likely. It's way faster than Blender Cycles for example.

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And on.. And onnnn..

My oldest is attending a highly reputable art college where they are teaching AI - how to use, improve, the ethics, capability, how to leverage it in their own work, etc.

AI has evolved into almost every professional workflow today. It's embedded directly into Maya, Blender, Adobe products now and I see it being used by really big youtube tutorial videos without a second glance. Almost every photoshop tutorial I google from the last year is hopping into the AI selection / correction tools of adobe now.

There are so many annoying and redundant steps in art that AI can speed up. If your an artist who refuses to use it for any reason across Animation In-betweens, Keyframing, UVMapping, Retopology, Lighting, Shading or Line work clean up. You are only going to hurt yourself and your own productivity.

People are still stuck on "it's this crappy art collage thing that makes weird 11 finger hands / static blank faced anime faces that are lit wrong" from 3 years ago.

 

[morphnet]

Not gonna happend
read my previous post why
AI art is 2D
it can never replace real 3D content

explain how you can change camera views with AI and KEEP the models faces and environment intact?
Its NOT POSSIBLE.
because AI DONT KNOW WHAT 3D SPACE IS.

The 3D space you seem to love so much...

It doesn't exist.

ALL 3D environments are CODE, MATH

The only one here who doesn't seem to know what 3D SPACE is, is you....

Define maturity intrinsically as a concept without reference to how other people want you to act and perceive you.

Which maturity? Mental, emotional, physical etc. etc.

 

[SamuraiDice]

Which maturity? Mental, emotional, physical etc. etc.

Not important, the point I was poised to make was that the notion of maturity is a subjective one, whether to the individual or society itself (which is merely a conglomeration of individuals) and thus is the opinion of an individual attempting to override the free choice of another to be what they define as 'immature'.

 

[morphnet]

the point I was poised to make was that the notion of maturity is a subjective one

Only in some cases, there are many standards shared across cultures, communities, societies, that do not fall under subjective opinion.

A 40 year old man falling to the floor, kicking and screaming he wants sweets would be considered both by individuals and society ( which is merely a conglomeration of individuals) as lacking maturity.

 

[SamuraiDice]

Only in some cases, there are many standards shared across cultures, communities, societies, that do not fall under subjective opinion.

A 40 year old man falling to the floor, kicking and screaming he wants sweets would be considered both by individuals and society ( which is merely a conglomeration of individuals) as lacking maturity.

The Bentham argument that the needs of the many outweigh those of the few, is in my view a falsity. utilitarianism in the form of overriding the individual means of expression with a societal one, neglecting said illusionary society which itself is only made of individuals is to give power of one opinion over another, and in it's worst form, renders force over the individual to comply with majority view over their own natural inclinations, without meaning to be flippant or condescending, I would refer you to 'On Liberty' By John Stuart Mill.

 

[morphnet]

Arguments such as these, offering neither a foundation, a standard or a system by which coherent communication and understanding can be achieved and are poorly half thought out ideas. Setting aside the base instincts that can and do on occasion override the common purpose, the need for a foundation to assure individual as well as group survival was paramount, systems built on that foundations were needed to ensure understanding and as cultures, societies and communities discovered and interacted a standard was needed to form coherent communications and understanding.

Those who have not put forward a replacement should spend their time discovering / creating one before trying to demolish the foundation they are standing on.

 

[SamuraiDice]

Arguments such as these, offering neither a foundation, a standard or a system by which coherent communication and understanding can be achieved and are poorly half thought out ideas. Setting aside the base instincts that can and do on occasion override the common purpose, the need for a foundation to assure individual as well as group survival was paramount, systems built on that foundations were needed to ensure understanding and as cultures, societies and communities discovered and interacted a standard was needed to form coherent communications and understanding.

Those who have not put forward a replacement should spend their time discovering / creating one before trying to demolish the foundation they are standing on.

1) You do me an intellectual disservice my not replying to me directly and therefore letting me know you have done so that I may give a rebuttal and;

2) To follow from your analogy: if the foundation is bad, what value is there in continuing to build upon it until a new foundation is created? It will only crumble and decay as it advances. First tear down the foundation, THEN build or find a new one.

3) All edifices start in the natural state without artificial foundation atop them, thus it can be said it is never a true foundation, but a man made one upon which we force upon the natural state. It is upon the natural soil of the individual that, is constant, always existent, that man builds his foundation of society. There is no need for replacement before the destruction of the artificial foundation where we know a natural foundation always exists for which we build our own foundation upon.

 

[youbet567]

Arguments such as these, offering neither a foundation, a standard or a system by which coherent communication and understanding can be achieved and are poorly half thought out ideas. Setting aside the base instincts that can and do on occasion override the common purpose, the need for a foundation to assure individual as well as group survival was paramount, systems built on that foundations were needed to ensure understanding and as cultures, societies and communities discovered and interacted a standard was needed to form coherent communications and understanding.

Those who have not put forward a replacement should spend their time discovering / creating one before trying to demolish the foundation they are standing on.

easy with the crack man

 

[morphnet]

1) You do me an intellectual disservice my not replying to me directly and therefore letting me know you have done so that I may give a rebuttal and;

The Bentham argument that the needs of the many outweigh those of the few, is in my view a falsity. utilitarianism in the form of overriding the individual means of expression with a societal one, neglecting said illusionary society which itself is only made of individuals is to give power of one opinion over another, and in it's worst form, renders force over the individual to comply with majority view over their own natural inclinations, without meaning to be flippant or condescending, I would refer you to 'On Liberty' By John Stuart Mill.

2) To follow from your analogy: if the foundation is bad, what value is there in continuing to build upon it until a new foundation is created? It will only crumble and decay as it advances.

That was not my analogy!

First tear down the foundation, THEN build or find a new one.

Who says to burn down a house without first having plans at the very least, if not building materials etc. for the new one?
All you are left with is a burnt out ruin and a bunch of homeless people...

3) All edifices start in the natural state without artificial foundation atop them

That is NOT what a foundation is or how a foundation works...

thus it can be said it is never a true foundation, but a man made one upon which we force upon the natural state.

Almost everything of ours is man made, inspired by, based on, used from nature but man made nonetheless.

It is upon the natural soil of the individual that, is constant, always existent, that man builds his foundation of society.

Untrue!

There is no need for replacement before the destruction of the artificial foundation where we know a natural foundation always exists for which we build our own foundation upon.

Again that is not how foundations work

easy with the crack man

If he wants to wax poetic, instead of articulate why not join in...

Also as always, your contributions are well thought out, worded and insightful...

No wait...

Ok so you got your attention



now go play outside....

 

[Unga2bunga]

You're just regurgitated the same argument over and over even after it is found to be lacking any substance, itself. Your argument is mass produced.

Also, similar to what Hagatagar stated earlier-
The same has been said of radio, films, television, internet, etc etc etc.
You're saying nothing new.

Hell, acclaimed film director Martin Scorsese has essentially said the exact same thing about the MCU in 2019.

AI is a tool. Some are good at using tools and some still need more practice. This site is has many creators of varying skill. If you don't like seeing it, don't look at it.

It's like going to an arts and crafts mall and stating that you hate seeing homemade stuff for sale. Suck it up and move along.

Dont care didnt ask Ai slop is soulless trash, also idc about Scorsese except for the fact he was that funny fish in shark tales haha love that movie

 

[Unga2bunga]

All yall defending Ai art are so funny to me, learn to create like a real person (not me tho i cant draw for shit) Yall all sound like shadiversity and thats not a great sign

 

[morphnet]

All yall defending Ai art are so funny to me, learn to create like a real person (not me tho i cant draw for shit)

So people creating using AI are not real people?

Yall all sound like shadiversity and thats not a great sign

Conservative right wing supporters? Have you actually read anything...

 

[midnightumbrella]

ai sucks lmao

 

[youbet567]

So people creating using AI are not real people?

They are watchers not artists
hammer a bunch of commands and see what the real artist (AI) can do for you.
who does the art ?

Users who posts content that AI have done have no place on a site where you have real artists.
it only gets confusing.
Some people here mistakes them for real artists which is not the case.

in real 3D content you are the Artist
You set up the cameras
You customize your models bodies
You change their skin shaders to look good.
You dress them up.
You decide what hair they should have.
You change the pose either manually or with a preset pose.
You set the expression for the models face.
You do D-Force simulation for the clothes and other squeeze effects.
You set up the lighting (not the case for some artists)
You set up the Environment.
In some cases you even build up the environment with your own shaders and textures.
You set the optimal rendering settings.

The final result that comes out are done by you and you will get credit for it because its Unique and yours..