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ryansFLYIN

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Regarding Hailey's camgirl activities...
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It's cool that you give people the choice that she sticks with it or not - I've not seen many games give the player that option - but the fact that is is/was a sex worker is just unattractive whether or not it continues, imo, which is a bummer because I think she's the most attractive character. That being said, the rest of the story seems pretty solid. Didn't find any bugs, but when I got to the end it circled back around to Alice's lewd scene.
 

MixQQ

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Thank you everyone for the replies! I was nervous as hell getting it out the door but reading your thoughts on it is really encouraging!

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I am glad people like the MILF! I like her too!



Ah. Good point. I was just trying to think of tags and Patreon's guidelines must have slipped out of my brain somehow. I do have some renders of twins already, but nothing sexual with them at the moment. They are actually androids/dolls from my previous plot before I rewrote the story. If anything does happen with them it'll be one at a time. I think for now I will just remove the tag...


It was a lot to handle sometimes for sure!
Thank you for bringing the point issue to my attention. I have fixed the typo which resolves both issues and will upload a revised version later.




I am still on the fence for whether or not I want it to be a single romance or harem. I have a scene planned for Maya working out at your home gym and whether or not you told Hailey you like her different scenes will play. Things like that just to add some spice.



If you mean r**e then definitely not! If you mean "no, but actually yes" scenes, or "consensual non-consensual" then maybe. I don't have anything like that planned at the moment. If I did write a scenario where a LI is shy or timid about her desire, you would 100% see into the woman's thoughts and it would be made very clear that she wants it! Either way it seems like playing with fire and I'd prefer my Patreon not get nuked!



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I will try my best to avoid taking that long lol



Currently it's the six girls in the banner. I tried adding a few choices here and there just to give players a feel for what the game will be like. It's too early in the story for any choices to have really serious consequences. The most important thing to me for the initial release was having all the women be introduced to the player!
well, that's a lot of work dev, 2 routes for each girl - love & corruption. Each will get exclusive lewd content and scenes. I hope you don't get overwhelmed by it.
Sharron is for netori content (mc steal other character girl), right? if yes you should also put Netori in planned tags

About camgirl, first impression is important, for some players this girl is already ruined and you can't do anything about it at this point. Now you can minimize damage and like you said drop it quickly and completely without any traces in the future if MC disapprove her profession.

For people who doesn't give a shit about it. I hope you prepared some good story there. Not something like MC is going to subscribe her and watch her camshows in his room for the next 10 updates and jerking off to this like all her simps. MC participating in sessions with her/fucking her in front of camera is good choice, but he should do it more times and not only once like you said
 

PSYlevi

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I think its better rewrite a little camgirl. Make her thinking about be one, not be already camgirl. And when she talk with MC, and telling him about how she think start be camgirl, give players choice:
1. MC ok with her being camgirl (Corruption route)
2. MC not ok with her being camgirl (Love route)
That gonna make her not ruined for most players, and everyone one get what they want.
 

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whats does that means clarity and captivation ? like pure and corrupt ? same as the heart also ? i got captivation heart with alice tho, coz just want to see the scene,
put explanation before jump on prolog will be better on the next update
 
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ImSenjou

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This discussion about camgirls is very common here on f95, and although I don't exactly have a problem with it, I understand those who do, and in this particular case, I think the biggest problem is that it doesn't suit Hailey, she's not the type, and if she's going to be one, I'd say a good approach would be to make her consider doing it, for example, make her comment on camgirls and fish out what the MC thinks about it, if it's something positive, by the player's choice, make her start her camgirl career, and later the MC can find out...
 

DrakoGhoul

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It looks good. At least from what I'm seeing of the preview pictures. Story part gives off a cliche vibe but it's interesting to me at the same time. I'll just have to play it and see how it turns out over a few updates.
 
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zilzmaer

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If you mean r**e then definitely not! If you mean "no, but actually yes" scenes, or "consensual non-consensual" then maybe. I don't have anything like that planned at the moment. If I did write a scenario where a LI is shy or timid about her desire, you would 100% see into the woman's thoughts and it would be made very clear that she wants it! Either way it seems like playing with fire and I'd prefer my Patreon not get nuked!
i don't know if either of those things are what Prokopije meant, but what i want to know is if there are or will be any routes/scenes in the game where the player is not given a choice, regardless of whether the characters are willing. one of the surest ways to get me to drop a game is to force sexual/romantic content with characters i don't like, and no matter how well you write and design your characters it's impossible to make every character liked by every player.

i would strongly suggest you allow players to choose whether to pursue such relationships with potential love interests, and for characters that are important to the plot, have a simple friendship path with no romantic elements for players who would prefer to avoid it. your answer about harem sounds like that might already be the case, but i just want to be sure.
 

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I had that same issue originally when playing through it so I added a forced (with player confirmation) return to main menu command. Which should return you to the main menu after the ending at chapter 3 start. I'll try play testing it a bit more to see if I can replicate it.

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Has been fixed with v0.1.1, thank you!

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Not NTR! It will be adultery (added tag to planned), but George the husband will be out of the picture and won't know about it when it happens. I believe it only qualifies as NTR if the person being cheated on is aware and/or involved with the cheating.

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I think I will rewrite it so that she is considering doing it instead of the MC catching her already doing it. Or maybe I will change it so that it is her first stream and she does it as a way to get MC's attention. I didn't really plan on making it a big plot point or anything, but just as a way to break the ice with the MC. At the very least, I don't see any harm in rewriting it so that it's something new she has only done one time out of curiosity/desperation. I agree with ImSenjou that it does seem a bit out of character for her anyways.

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Yes! I try to include options to skip romantic/lewd scenes for players who are not interested in certain girls. These choices activate certain triggers which are important for later on in the game. Basically, the Clarity (innocence) route = Single LI, and Captivation (corruption) route = Harem. Whether the player wants to juggle multiple women or go for one girl is up to them. It's a lot of planning though so I'm taking it one step at a time!
 

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I think I will rewrite it so that she is considering doing it instead of the MC catching her already doing it. Or maybe I will change it so that it is her first stream and she does it as a way to get MC's attention. I didn't really plan on making it a big plot point or anything, but just as a way to break the ice with the MC. At the very least, I don't see any harm in rewriting it so that it's something new she has only done one time out of curiosity/desperation. I agree with ImSenjou that it does seem a bit out of character for her anyways.
Better make, she considering doing it. If that her first stream, that not gonna change much for people who don't like camgirls, it's almost the same outcome.

EDIT: Even if that her first stream, she already showing herself for a ton ppl in the internet. Some ppl if not most, don't like girls who acting like slut (that out of character for her). She can seek MC attetion with different ways ;)
 
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I believe it only qualifies as NTR if the person being cheated on is aware and/or involved with the cheating.
I am not an expert but I don't think that is correct. I think the tags describe the situation as a whole, regardless of whether or not all parties are informed or consenting. But be sure to use the correct ntr tag (Netori like someone said).

While I scoff at people demanding that characters have blank slate backstories so they are not 'unclean' or whatever, do what serves the story best. Camgirls are entrepreneurs. (y)
 

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I think I will rewrite it so that she is considering doing it instead of the MC catching her already doing it. Or maybe I will change it so that it is her first stream and she does it as a way to get MC's attention. I didn't really plan on making it a big plot point or anything, but just as a way to break the ice with the MC. At the very least, I don't see any harm in rewriting it so that it's something new she has only done one time out of curiosity/desperation. I agree with ImSenjou that it does seem a bit out of character for her anyways.
I would said considering would be the way to go instead so that way it doesn't happen at all if the player doesn't want it to
 
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I think its better rewrite a little camgirl. Make her thinking about be one, not be already camgirl. And when she talk with MC, and telling him about how she think start be camgirl, give players choice:
1. MC ok with her being camgirl (Corruption route)
2. MC not ok with her being camgirl (Love route)
That gonna make her not ruined for most players, and everyone one get what they want.
When i played she was one of my favorites after that camgirl shit she dropped a lot she was the closest character for MC she was literaly his stepsister and whit that shy personality I was very shocked seen her showing herself to people online very rare for this type of characters if i tell the truth
 

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I had that same issue originally when playing through it so I added a forced (with player confirmation) return to main menu command. Which should return you to the main menu after the ending at chapter 3 start. I'll try play testing it a bit more to see if I can replicate it.
(Caveat: I have not looked at your code yet, so I don't know if this is applicable.) The most common cause of this kind of thing is a call without a corresponding return, so you end up at the wrong spot in the return stack, instead of where you had intended to be.

Not NTR! It will be adultery (added tag to planned), but George the husband will be out of the picture and won't know about it when it happens. I believe it only qualifies as NTR if the person being cheated on is aware and/or involved with the cheating.
Not quite, there is even a whole subgenre of netorare called "mystery netorare", where the MC is oblivious but the players still see that it's happening (or see hints of it) just outside his awareness.

That said, this does sound like "netori", where the MC steals girls from their existing partners. Netori is qutie popular, even among the anti-NTR crowd (which I'm one of). It also doesn't qualify for the "netorare" tag here on F95, since those tags are evaluated from the MC's perspective. Netori instead falls under the "cheating" tag. If you add "netori" to the list of tags in the Genre spoiler, it'll end up being a positive for a lot of people, and generally neutral beyond the people who like netori. Netori just doesn't have anything remotely like the kind of backlash other types of NTR (netorare and netorase) have, so much so that most people who like it don't even consider it NTR.
 

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That said, this does sound like "netori", where the MC steals girls from their existing partners. Netori is qutie popular, even among the anti-NTR crowd (which I'm one of). It also doesn't qualify for the "netorare" tag here on F95, since those tags are evaluated from the MC's perspective. Netori instead falls under the "cheating" tag. If you add "netori" to the list of tags in the Genre spoiler, it'll end up being a positive for a lot of people, and generally neutral beyond the people who like netori. Netori just doesn't have anything remotely like the kind of backlash other types of NTR (netorare and netorase) have, so much so that most people who like it don't even consider it NTR.
netori is really just a perspective shift from netorare/netorase, but that perspective shift has a massive effect on how it makes the reader feel; that's why it's considered different. there are still going to be people who have issues with it, mostly from the crowd that want only virgin love interests, but that's a much smaller group than the anti-ntr/nts crowd.
 

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netori is really just a perspective shift from netorare/netorase, but that perspective shift has a massive effect on how it makes the reader feel; that's why it's considered different. there are still going to be people who have issues with it, mostly from the crowd that want only virgin love interests, but that's a much smaller group than the anti-ntr/nts crowd.
True, thought the LI in question is a milf in her 40s, if i had to guess, so the ones who are only interested in virgins won't be going for her either way.
 
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Regarding Hailey's camgirl activities...

I knew while writing it that some people on F95 are not fond of it. I have seen comments on here before in threads for other games. For those that choose to approve of her doing it I intend to have at least one scene where you participate on camera with her. For those that don't approve she will stop doing it and scenes will be different. I think I just chose it as an easy way to get the ball rolling between the MC and Hailey over sexual topics. Breaking the ice, etc. It's not going to be a major plot point for her character. Ultimately, I think the stigma around it adds to the fact that it's her corruption route!
The issue people will have with that (myself included) is that she's being a whore—and acting out of character—in the first place. Even if it's something she's only considering, that's still a massive turnoff.
 
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zilzmaer

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The issue people will have with that (myself included) is that she's being a whore—and acting out of character—in the first place. Even if it's something she's only considering, that's still a massive turnoff.
i don't think she necessarily is acting out of character; we haven't really seen enough of her to come to that conclusion. she'd never really shown that she wasn't a whore, the only reason to assume she isn't is that characters in the "little sister" role (regardless of whether they're actually a little sister or not) in games like this have a tendency to not be whores. certainly she hadn't shown that side of her to the protag before, but that's because she was trying to make a good impression on him and not show him anything he might dislike, because she didn't want to get kicked out of his house.

camgirling absolutely is whorish, though, and i think it's entirely fair to not like her for it, though there will also be some people (probably fewer, though i have no way of knowing) who like her more for it.
 
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