SPACE!man

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So I've helped a bunch of people with this game, and the general consensus is that Jungle is the hardest level, but what is making camping in one spot not work for you? Is it running out of ammo/reload times? If so I'd recommend either managing your reloads better (reloading during gaps so you never run out) or using weapons that can pause reload (like the pump action tenelli). That is really the only issue I can think of, bear traps, darts, and shields all get nullified because they have to climb up to reach you, which also stacks them up nicely to be shotgunned. Once you stabilize and get your weapons (should be around round 10-15) the level really stops posing any sort of threat at all. Let me know if you have any other issues with any other map, I can lend a hand.
Well, as I said to Doodleri earlier, I found the mods someone mentioned and they work (at least for now), so my only need for tactics now is the challenges (there really needs to be a pleasure removing drug... The "nottonight" or "headache". XP). Enjoying the game a HELL of a lot more knowing I'm not gonna get screwed over much now but, holy crap, how does anyone play some of those levels?! Even with the mod making me a walking-bullet shower, I still had issues with hordes and the more annoying enemies like the flies (I mean, I don't mean "losing" issues, just "holy shit, if I didn't have infinite health I'd be literally fucked seven millions ways from Sunday" ones). Actually had a giggle with the FER level once I got the shock rifle.... Watching them all twitching, I think it reminded me of the old seizure disco joke... Though I didn't notice that they keep producing smoke if you pause the game, it's a real lag issue.

Anyway, rambling, habit. I've found a way to enjoy the game. Not a "noble" or "morally correct" one but, eh, cheats exist to make games fun when they're not! :p Thanks for trying to assist me, even if I didn't actually use it. Appreciate it.
 

Damoriva

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It's not just the Jungle, to be fair, I'll probably have issue with the cave and space station, but I'm avoiding them right now cos I'm not super good with jumpscares (last time I nearly punched my laptop's screen through <-<).
Uh... in that case you MAY want to NOT open the far right door in the FER level. Unless you're REALLY good at spotting near-invisible enemies.
 

Luin

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I cant jump high anymore, and the bullet numbers keeps showing 8/8, and 1 of the heroine's eyes seems to be missing
That's weird, It shouldn't even be possible with the changes I did.
You probably have some other version of the game or have something that changed it somehow.
My mod is for 1.0.5b version, strictly (not debug version).
 
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Gadriel

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So I've helped a bunch of people with this game, and the general consensus is that Jungle is the hardest level...
Cave would like to knows your location. There is no point in resistance.
Jungle isn't as bad as people make it out to be, you just can't camp because Orcs say no and you can't kite because trappers say fuck you, so the strat is to be on the move, engaging one side of the map then the other, killing them faster then they can surround you.
Cave, on the other hand... The only viable strat is camping the tunnels, and when I say viable, I mean 'chance of success.' Flies and Muca-whatever overrun you so damned quickly, the former constantly taxing health and the latter forcing you to retreat by being just a giant flying wall of HP with an INSANE threat range, while you have to deal with the constant flow of Hunters creeping up behind you. Admittedly, it used to be worse, Maggots used to outright prevent kiting by being so small and difficult to hit but are now free money drops, but I'd say it's down to personal ability on which map is actually worse.
 
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Petrine12

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Well, as I said to Doodleri earlier, I found the mods someone mentioned and they work (at least for now), so my only need for tactics now is the challenges (there really needs to be a pleasure removing drug... The "nottonight" or "headache". XP). <snip>
I'm having some weird cognitive dissonance to where I really really want a drug like that, but also feel like it goes against the theme of the game.

Like I'd want that drug to exist if all I'm trying to do is complete experiments, but not if I'm trying to hit wave 20 for the first time. Actually, maybe that could be a "persisting" unlock that is not broken: new drugs (mainly pleasure reduce) in the drug machine if you complete wave 20 or maybe something higher. It'd be specific to each level though.

Sidenote: I've accepted that I can't beat the bear trap experiment. I'm either too airheaded or unlucky or something. If I'm doing well on the run, woops random bear trap hanging out. If I'm not doing well on the run, well, I just lose or hit a bear trap and then lose.
 

FruitSmoothie

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Cave would like to knows your location. There is no point in resistance.
Jungle isn't as bad as people make it out to be, you just can't camp because Orcs say no and you can't kite because trappers say fuck you, so the strat is to be on the move, engaging one side of the map then the other, killing them faster then they can surround you.
You can certainly camp the area around the ammo spawn. The orcs aren't that scary. Dodge away and shoot them in the face or get them to climb up to you and shoot them in the face. Drop off the right side of the ammo platform, swap to the pistol, shoot under you to clear traps before you land on them. Climb the tower again once most the gobs have climbed down, etc, etc. It's really not that hard. I can only imagine a lot of people aren't using the pistol to clear traps. You get quite a bit of time to swap to it and shoot under you and clear traps before gobs start dropping off chasing after you. It's like 3 seconds.

I've actually cleared the first orc level with just the pistol while waiting for a weapon to show up in the vendor, so there's a lot of stuff to work with in jungle once you know how shit works. Parkour is king. If anything, I'd say the orcs and traps prevent an aggressive playstyle more than a camping playstyle. Orcs are a lot less scary when they have to spend 5 seconds exposing their heads to climb up to you than they are when you're on the same platform as them and being rushed by mobs/shot at with arrows.

I'd say cave is probably more difficult because you don't have many platforms or great chokepoints to play with. Even with experience there, it doesn't improve your survivability nearly as much. The enemies also come at you nonstop because they all have different speeds/tactics. You even get more of a break against the gobs. It's like jungle is more difficult with less experience, but eventually it becomes easier than cave. There's really no perfect non cheese strat for cave, it always requires some risky dodging through enemies and shit because of the flies and how easily you can be overwhelmed even with the late game buffs/weapons. Just too many places you have to shoot at, with the jungle you can funnel enemies into a kill zone so easily. They just line up to be shot in the head for you repeatedly lol.
 
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VI16

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Okay, someone please tell me there's a mod or some way to cheat in this damn game. Because, I swear on Satan's walk-in BDSM closet, if I have to play the Jungle level one more time and get blowdarted to fuckery, bear trapped every two seconds and have those little shit goblins constantly fuck my strength bar, I'm gonna start WW3. I've tried to be patient with this game but, in the name of God's circumcised son, I'm DONE with it. It's a bloody porn game! I haven't worked this hard on actual games that I 100%d!

So yeah, if anyone could point me to something that'll help me actually enjoy this and cheat the crap out of it, that'd be great. Just not Cheat Engine though. I've had enough Russian spyware on my laptop in the past, I don't trust it to not blow up my laptop (which is barely alive as it is).

And don't tell me to "git gud". Again, it's a porn game. That's like saying I need to overthrown the Chinese Government just to watch a Pornhub video. I'm not gonna waste months of my life for a hand shandy, ya know?
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Gadriel

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You can certainly camp the area around the ammo spawn. The orcs aren't that scary. Dodge away and shoot them in the face or get them to climb up to you and shoot them in the face. Drop off the right side of the ammo platform, swap to the pistol, shoot under you to clear traps before you land on them. Climb the tower again once most the gobs have climbed down, etc, etc. It's really not that hard. I can only imagine a lot of people aren't using the pistol to clear traps. You get quite a bit of time to swap to it and shoot under you and clear traps before gobs start dropping off chasing after you. It's like 3 seconds.
I mean... there are places on the trees where Trappers can put traps in a perfect sweet spot between being able to shoot them from below and being able to climb up and shoot them, forcing you to take the hit. Blindly shooting below you when dropping down is definitely an acquired skill, one I haven't, and feels like it might not be guaranteed with how trash the starter pistol still is even after its buff... is it really so much to ask the semi-auto popgun have the least spread in the damned game?
You also should never need to clear Wave 5 with the starter pistol. The MP-40 is to the far right, and you usually have enough by the end of wave 4, if not within three kills of it.
Other then that, yeah, it's a matter of what playstyle suits you, and debating about which is more valid is mostly pointless.
 

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I mean... there are places on the trees where Trappers can put traps in a perfect sweet spot between being able to shoot them from below and being able to climb up and shoot them, forcing you to take the hit. Blindly shooting below you when dropping down is definitely an acquired skill, one I haven't, and feels like it might not be guaranteed with how trash the starter pistol still is even after its buff... is it really so much to ask the semi-auto popgun have the least spread in the damned game?
You also should never need to clear Wave 5 with the starter pistol. The MP-40 is to the far right, and you usually have enough by the end of wave 4, if not within three kills of it.
Other then that, yeah, it's a matter of what playstyle suits you, and debating about which is more valid is mostly pointless.
I've just seen several people now say you can't camp on that map. Having a preference for how to play is fine, I just don't like the absolute "This doesn't work"/"Can't be done", lol. If somebody says something can't be done that I do every time I play, obviously I'd speak against it to prevent people from thinking it's impossible.

I didn't think I needed to clear wave 5 with the starter pistol, I chose not to waste money on a gun I don't like and wanted to see if I could make it without an upgrade. Was fun. I hope there are some weapon limitation achievements in the future.
 
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clamp360

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Cave would like to knows your location. There is no point in resistance.
Jungle isn't as bad as people make it out to be, you just can't camp because Orcs say no and you can't kite because trappers say fuck you, so the strat is to be on the move, engaging one side of the map then the other, killing them faster then they can surround you.
Cave, on the other hand... The only viable strat is camping the tunnels, and when I say viable, I mean 'chance of success.' Flies and Muca-whatever overrun you so damned quickly, the former constantly taxing health and the latter forcing you to retreat by being just a giant flying wall of HP with an INSANE threat range, while you have to deal with the constant flow of Hunters creeping up behind you. Admittedly, it used to be worse, Maggots used to outright prevent kiting by being so small and difficult to hit but are now free money drops, but I'd say it's down to personal ability on which map is actually worse.
I disagree, camping is extremely viable on jungle and is actually the best strategy. It nullifies orc shields, trapper traps, AND marksman darts, and trivializes the level. Camping is the best strat on every level, although just about anything works on shack.

Kinda disappointing most people don't bother to get good at this game and resort to the cheat engines, it really isn't that hard once you figure out what to do, but to each his own I guess.
 

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I disagree, camping is extremely viable on jungle and is actually the best strategy. It nullifies orc shields, trapper traps, AND marksman darts, and trivializes the level. Camping is the best strat on every level, although just about anything works on shack.
What definition of Camping counters Orc shields, seeing as they counter standing in one spot shooting enemies as they approach? If they make it onto the platform, you HAVE to approach them or they'll absorb literally everything... even the reworked sniper rifle that penetrates targets.
Also, while camping is perfectly viable on Cabin and Robotics, and outright mandatory on Cave, the Xenos on Station love to rush down a reloading player, so having room to retreat is mandatory... and to have room to retreat without being surrounded, you need to start waves backed into a corner and advance during pauses in the enemy's attack... or while holding down the MG42's trigger, Sabaton music optional but highly recommended.
Kinda disappointing most people don't bother to get good at this game and resort to the cheat engines, it really isn't that hard once you figure out what to do, but to each his own I guess.
I also feel the need to point out my skill at Cave and Jungle only comes from one of the older versions when the pause bug was still in effect, allowing me to actually test strategies without being instantly annihilated for trying something wrong.
 
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clamp360

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What definition of Camping counters Orc shields, seeing as they counter standing in one spot shooting enemies as they approach? If they make it onto the platform, you HAVE to approach them or they'll absorb literally everything... even the reworked sniper rifle that penetrates targets.
Also, while camping is perfectly viable on Cabin and Robotics, and outright mandatory on Cave, the Xenos on Station love to rush down a reloading player, so having room to retreat is mandatory... and to have room to retreat without being surrounded, you need to start waves backed into a corner and advance during pauses in the enemy's attack... or while holding down the MG42's trigger, Sabaton music optional but highly recommended.
When the orcs are climbing up a ledge their shield is down, stand on the edge of the ledge by the gun machine and shoot their heads as they climb up, easy peasy. Yeah I run the MG42 on space station with a SSL defender to hotswap to should the need arise. Camp the far right and kill all the sqoids before the rest of the enemies arrive, proceed to mow them down, works like a charm even on hard (haven't tested past round 50).
 

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Jungle Run:


I haven't played in a month, at least I showed there's a lot of room for error with this strat, lmao. I ate so many darts. Once you get to Uzi + Damage upgrade, you're super safe until like 20+ Start is always the hardest.
 
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What definition of Camping counters Orc shields, seeing as they counter standing in one spot shooting enemies as they approach? If they make it onto the platform, you HAVE to approach them or they'll absorb literally everything... even the reworked sniper rifle that penetrates targets.
You just need to shoot them while they're climbing and if there's too many that's when the shotgun Teneli shines, that's the best way to kill them easily, shoot while they climb
 

Petrine12

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A general note for ledge camping: make sure you're actually aiming at the head and not just holding down fire. Enemies do a weird swing animation while climbing up that makes their head move around a lot. If you're not paying attention you could be dumping shots into their chest/neck and not getting a 1-shot kill, which wastes ammo/time. You can still aim at one exact spot; just time your shot so that a head is there when you fire.

This becomes less of an issue when you get damage drug + good gun, but it matters a lot in the middle waves when ammo/time is precious.
 
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