VN Ren'Py Champions of Liberty Institute of Training [v0.83] [yahotzp]

[Avaron1974]

I'd hardly call it an argument.

Someone struggling to understand a game doesn't cater to them and can't seem to grasp this isn't the type of game they are looking for.

You would think being told this doesn't have the content they are looking for should be enough. It doesn't need a debate, it isn't going to change the facts.

Doesn't matter how much you stomp and scream and how many toys you throw out of your pram the content isn't going to change and the direction of the game isn't going to alter.

"But ...but ... VULVA had the conte....." BITCH this aint VULVA.....

Dev went one direction there and another here. It's not complicated. This isn't a hardcore BDSM game, it was never aimed at that, it was never even hinted at. It's a lighthearted look at lesbian superheroes not 50 Shades of Dyke.

 

[Maxh]

I'd hardly call it an argument.

Someone struggling to understand a game doesn't cater to them and can't seem to grasp this isn't the type of game they are looking for.

You would think being told this doesn't have the content they are looking for should be enough. It doesn't need a debate, it isn't going to change the facts.

Doesn't matter how much you stomp and scream and how many toys you throw out of your pram the content isn't going to change and the direction of the game isn't going to alter.

"But ...but ... VULVA had the conte....." BITCH this aint VULVA.....

Dev went one direction there and another here. It's not complicated. This isn't a hardcore BDSM game, it was never aimed at that, it was never even hinted at. It's a lighthearted look at lesbian superheroes not 50 Shades of Dyke.

So first of all woman handle/man handle domination rather than bondage and BSDM... but that's a separate issue.

So let me get this straight... Porno game dev make game VULVA... it is about a competitive lesbian sports league where losers end up face down ass up getting mounted and drilled by the winners Lesbian wrestling style. It contains a decent amount of normal dating, and a strapon double team scene, and some dominatrix scenes at the office...

Now yahotzp starts a new game... it is a literal sequel to VULVA the MC "copy cat" is the daughter of the MC from the first game... the first game is in the competitive sports genre of porn games, the second is in the superheroine genre of porn games... now where on the whole internet does superheroine not equal rape? Every Superheroine site is a rape porn site... Competitive sports porn is not rape, Ultimate Surrender is not Rape, Academy Wrestling is not Rape... Superheroine is only ever Femdom dominatrix, or rape, or lesbian both.

So we go from a genre in the first game which rarely contains rape, to a genre that always contains rape. The first game has a ton of rough sex so it wouldn't be hard for the second game. There are literally the same characters in the second game that were in the first game and the superheroine profession has more violence than pro athlete.

Who cares about VULVA? Well it's not just VULVA.... CLIT already has a character who's super powers include dominatrix worked into her character, another character with tentacles in their super powers, you go on dangerous missions catching criminals, light BSDM has already happened in the game as story foreshadowing, combat sparing has already happened including a match with Devya and Anya where Anya forcefully gropes Devya, a catfight is teased in the lunch room shortly afterward foreshadowing for an actual catfight in a lesbian porn game.... you are completely insane thinking that hardcore rough sex won't happen... All the evidence is there from the previous game, to the genre change, and the story building foreshadowing in the game itself.

The Game developer is just making a good story that isn't your typical cheesy slut cringe you get from most porn.. it would make sence to do some teasing of future content while you build up the story... I mean in VULVA you start the game signing up for the sports league and CLIT you are joining an academy so it would make sence for the game to cook a bit before getting into the main part of the game...

The dev yahotzp has also increased the production value and is clearly going for a longer game so having the story cook also makes for a better experience over all... but at some point you got to deliver, 3 missions with night stalker and no delivery? I think the dev needs to rethink the pacing of the game... If you never deliver you end up like the "Lust & Passion" dev for "AWAM"

 

[SpyderArachnid]

So let me get this straight... Porno game dev make game VULVA... it is about a competitive lesbian sports league where losers end up face down ass up getting mounted and drilled by the winners Lesbian wrestling style. It contains a decent amount of normal dating, and a strapon double team scene, and some dominatrix scenes at the office...

Now yahotzp starts a new game... it is a literal sequel to VULVA the MC "copy cat" is the daughter of the MC from the first game... the first game is in the competitive sports genre of porn games, the second is in the superheroine genre of porn games... now where on the whole internet does superheroine not equal rape? Every Superheroine site is a rape porn site... Competitive sports porn is not rape, Ultimate Surrender is not Rape, Academy Wrestling is not Rape... Superheroine is only ever Femdom dominatrix, or rape, or lesbian both.

This is not a "literal" sequel to VULVA. This is a new game based on the youth of the characters from the other game. The characters from the other game do appear in this one, but they are not main characters and their story is not the main story either. This is the story of Emma and her journey through CLIT, not a continuation of VULVA.

Characters from the first game have their cameos and appearances, but this game is not about them. It's a different story with a different main cast of characters. It doesn't have to have the same exact things the other game had.


And just cause every Superheroine porn site you came across is about Superheroines in peril, doesn't mean this game must restrict itself to that standard. You're trying to force this game to follow the same standards as other Superheroine porn, instead of letting this game do it's own thing. Not everything has to be the same.

You're looking for content that is just not here. There are other porn games out there for your taste. Go play those. This is clearly not for you.

 

[Maxh]

This is not a "literal" sequel to VULVA. This is a new game based on the youth of the characters from the other game. The characters from the other game do appear in this one, but they are not main characters and their story is not the main story either. This is the story of Emma and her journey through CLIT, not a continuation of VULVA.

Characters from the first game have their cameos and appearances, but this game is not about them. It's a different story with a different main cast of characters. It doesn't have to have the same exact things the other game had.


And just cause every Superheroine porn site you came across is about Superheroines in peril, doesn't mean this game must restrict itself to that standard. You're trying to force this game to follow the same standards as other Superheroine porn, instead of letting this game do it's own thing. Not everything has to be the same.

You're looking for content that is just not here. There are other porn games out there for your taste. Go play those. This is clearly not for you.

Not a continuation of VULVA? The MC of this game is the daughter of the MC of the first game...

You are ignoring 4 major categories of evidence with several points each for 3 talking points... those talking points being 1)"rough sex" hasn't happened yet. 2) not yet in the tags (at leasts not on F95) 3) it's a different game than the first.

Those are talking points not solid evidence. Meanwhile I have 4 whole categories of evidence..

Category 1)
The first game VULVA (which is used as a plot device in the second game CLIT when Devya gets caught watching porn on the computer)
The first game:
- hardcore rough sex after every game match
- strapon rough sex in one of the main romance quests and if you play your cards right a full on strapon double team rape scene.
- a dominatrix quest at the office

Category 2)
Genre switch:
- first game was competitive sports the second is Superheroine
-in all porn formats Superheroine genre is always more hardcore than competitive sports.

Categories 3)
Increase production value in the second game CLIT:
- the game dev has clearly tried to go for a longer story with better graphics, naturally the game would need to let the story cook to set up each character's story arch
- it also makes sence that increasing the story quality would mean that the story need to foreshadow and build to a story climax (pun intended)
- the larger size of the second and the increased scope is a more than reasonable answer for all the objections you brought up.

4) The content in the second game CLIT has already foreshadowed rough sex in the story
- Mrs Carmichael has tentacle goop fetish super powers
- Anya has super strength linked with a dominatrix complex
- the game has foreshadowed in story telling of an up coming catfight with a Loser get fucked (good sportsmanship) or full on rape... Devya is established as a shy or prudish girl sexually, the direct implication is that she will open up into a healthy relationship with MC if trust is built... however in the sparing match with Anya Devya loses and gets forcibly groped.... later in the lunch hall a catfight almost breaks out with Anya and Devya before being broken up by either MC or Glowstick... then the little prude Devya gets caught jacking it to porn watching one of Amy's VULVA matches from the first game (but according to you the first game has nothing to do with the second game), Devya is watching a sporting event where the loser is mounted and fucked by the winner with a strap on.... so you mean to tell me that Devya's path doesn't have a few options like A) wholesome relationship with MC... B) gets competitive and fights Anya with some sexual pride on the line... C) get herself into a unsupervised fight with Anya and gets raped for losing.... now I am not holding my breath for the rape scene that's not 100% sure, if it does happen it would be like when Devya is tempted to drink too much... but 100% there will be a catfight with Devya and Anya path option with the loser taking a pounding to her pride after the fight... take it to the bank 100%
- CLIT has so far referenced VULVA's rough sex content twice once when Devya gets caught watching porn, and the second when the girls at school have a literal VULVA match with VULVA rules
- Clit features Amy from the first game several times, first time we see her she is on the same beach from the first game... it's almost as if the Game dev is referring to something.

The game dev gave a romance path for most lesbian fetishes in the first game with different characters so it would make sence that that would be true in the second game... Anya, Lisa, and Devya clearly have some lezdom content or foreshadowing... and other girls don't...

Unless I see a screenshot or comment from yahotzp explicitly stating CLIT has a different direction than VULVA then you are 100% wrong... maby instead of recycling your 2 talking points you actually addressed all 4 categories of evidence I presented.

My question for the game dev yahotzp was about the pacing for the night stalker story arch, and that it was teasing too much and taking too long to cook... I don't have any issue with the pacing for other characters

 

[SpyderArachnid]

Not a continuation of VULVA? The MC of this game is the daughter of the MC of the first game...

You are ignoring 4 major categories of evidence with several points each for 3 talking points... those talking points being 1)"rough sex" hasn't happened yet. 2) not yet in the tags (at leasts not on F95) 3) it's a different game than the first.

Those are talking points not solid evidence. Meanwhile I have 4 whole categories of evidence..

Category 1)
The first game VULVA (which is used as a plot device in the second game CLIT when Devya gets caught watching porn on the computer)
The first game:
- hardcore rough sex after every game match
- strapon rough sex in one of the main romance quests and if you play your cards right a full on strapon double team rape scene.
- a dominatrix quest at the office

Category 2)
Genre switch:
- first game was competitive sports the second is Superheroine
-in all porn formats Superheroine genre is always more hardcore than competitive sports.

Categories 3)
Increase production value in the second game CLIT:
- the game dev has clearly tried to go for a longer story with better graphics, naturally the game would need to let the story cook to set up each character's story arch
- it also makes sence that increasing the story quality would mean that the story need to foreshadow and build to a story climax (pun intended)
- the larger size of the second and the increased scope is a more than reasonable answer for all the objections you brought up.

4) The content in the second game CLIT has already foreshadowed rough sex in the story
- Mrs Carmichael has tentacle goop fetish super powers
- Anya has super strength linked with a dominatrix complex
- the game has foreshadowed in story telling of an up coming catfight with a Loser get fucked (good sportsmanship) or full on rape... Devya is established as a shy or prudish girl sexually, the direct implication is that she will open up into a healthy relationship with MC if trust is built... however in the sparing match with Anya Devya loses and gets forcibly groped.... later in the lunch hall a catfight almost breaks out with Anya and Devya before being broken up by either MC or Glowstick... then the little prude Devya gets caught jacking it to porn watching one of Amy's VULVA matches from the first game (but according to you the first game has nothing to do with the second game), Devya is watching a sporting event where the loser is mounted and fucked by the winner with a strap on.... so you mean to tell me that Devya's path doesn't have a few options like A) wholesome relationship with MC... B) gets competitive and fights Anya with some sexual pride on the line... C) get herself into a unsupervised fight with Anya and gets raped for losing.... now I am not holding my breath for the rape scene that's not 100% sure, if it does happen it would be like when Devya is tempted to drink too much... but 100% there will be a catfight with Devya and Anya path option with the loser taking a pounding to her pride after the fight... take it to the bank 100%
- CLIT has so far referenced VULVA's rough sex content twice once when Devya gets caught watching porn, and the second when the girls at school have a literal VULVA match with VULVA rules
- Clit features Amy from the first game several times, first time we see her she is on the same beach from the first game... it's almost as if the Game dev is referring to something.

The game dev gave a romance path for most lesbian fetishes in the first game with different characters so it would make sence that that would be true in the second game... Anya, Lisa, and Devya clearly have some lezdom content or foreshadowing... and other girls don't...

Unless I see a screenshot or comment from yahotzp explicitly stating CLIT has a different direction than VULVA then you are 100% wrong... maby instead of recycling your 2 talking points you actually addressed all 4 categories of evidence I presented.

My question for the game dev yahotzp was about the pacing for the night stalker story arch, and that it was teasing too much and taking too long to cook... I don't have any issue with the pacing for other characters

Why are you so insistent that the game needs to have hardcore rough rape content? Let the dev make the game they want and stop telling them what they have to make. Entitled much?

Just because Emma is the daughter of the MC from a previous game, doesn't mean this game is a continuation of that game. Different MC, different storylines, different cast of main characters, different setting. Thus, different game. Not a continuation.

And recycling my talking points? That was the first time I responded to you. What are you going on about?

Point is, this is not the game for you. The content you want is not present in this game. Go find content you enjoy elsewhere and stop acting like the dev has to make the game you want them to make.

 

[Maxh]

Why are you so insistent that the game needs to have hardcore rough rape content? Let the dev make the game they want and stop telling them what they have to make. Entitled much?

Just because Emma is the daughter of the MC from a previous game, doesn't mean this game is a continuation of that game. Different MC, different storylines, different cast of main characters, different setting. Thus, different game. Not a continuation.

And recycling my talking points? That was the first time I responded to you. What are you going on about?

Point is, this is not the game for you. The content you want is not present in this game. Go find content you enjoy elsewhere and stop acting like the dev has to make the game you want them to make.

I'm insistent on rough sex being apart of the story arch because it's been teased IN THIS GAME and the previous game had quite a bit of it through out... I never expected anything more than the previous game had for rough content... it never occurred to me that it wouldn't eventually be included in the game once this obviously larger game got going... and when was I being entitled?.. I asked the game dev about the pacing of the game and mentioned that I enjoyed the previous game more that what we have gotten so far in this game... that's an opinion not me demanding the game dev do something... I am hoping the teased content gets delivered, I never demanded to be served... what is a comment section for excpt voicing opinions on the game direction and maby asking a question or two?

Also I have every belief the content I want that was a regular part of the previous game, will eventually make an appearance I am also working on the assumption that Missions will eventually be a Majority of the game content and right now they are just starting...

I thought you were the first person that started the argument for a second but you were defending the first whole person's opinion.... so it makes little difference

 

[SpyderArachnid]

I'm insistent on rough sex being apart of the story arch because it's been teased IN THIS GAME and the previous game had quite a bit of it through out... I never expected anything more than the previous game had for rough content... it never occurred to me that it wouldn't eventually be included in the game once this obviously larger game got going... and when was I being entitled?.. I asked the game dev about the pacing of the game and mentioned that I enjoyed the previous game more that what we have gotten so far in this game... that's an opinion not me demanding the game dev do something... I am hoping the teased content gets delivered, I never demanded to be served... what is a comment section for excpt voicing opinions on the game direction and maby asking a question or two?

Also I have every belief the content I want that was a regular part of the previous game, will eventually make an appearance I am also working on the assumption that Missions will eventually be a Majority of the game content and right now they are just starting...

I thought you were the first person that started the argument for a second but you were defending the first whole person's opinion.... so it makes little difference

You literally just answered your own question.

and when was I being entitled?

I'm insistent on rough sex being apart of the story arch because it's been teased IN THIS GAME and the previous game had quite a bit of it through out

Also I have every belief the content I want that was a regular part of the previous game, will eventually make an appearance

You saw tiny little fragments of stuff that you latched onto and made your own theories about, and are now insisting the dev add it and you are 100% sure of yourself that it will be added because you want it to be.

 

[Maxh]

You literally just answered your own question.




You saw tiny little fragments of stuff that you latched onto and made your own theories about, and are now insisting the dev add it and you are 100% sure of yourself that it will be added because you want it to be.

The catfight set up between Devya and Anya is not really a little thing to latch on to its obvious foreshadowing that compirsed of two whole scenes in class and the lunch room and Devya getting caught watching lesbians ports porn I suppose that has nothing to do with her character development......

but ok you and the other person say hardcore content isn't going to happen at all...

I think the game dev is going to make the hardcore content and it's just an issues with pacing, I think VULVA is like the Hobbit and CLIT is going to be a much longer epic like Lord of the rings.... and therfore will take certain things longer to develop... now I don't expect the Devya vs Anya catfight in the next update or even for a while yahotzp seems to want to let the main characters develop over the course of a much longer game, and that'sactually probably for the best most superheroine porn has the worst cringe acting, developing the characters properly for a long story has great potential... but with the Nightstalker missions, or really any missions... losing to the bad guys is losing to the bad guys... The game dev doesn't need to drag out the pacing on those...

But I suppose the only way to settle this is get yahotzp to tell the long term intentions for the game and settle the last page or so in the comments section.

 

[yahotzp]

There will not be any rape scenes in this game. Some BDSM and rougher sex, yes, but every encounter will be consensual. I hope that clears that up.

 

[Maxh]

There will not be any rape scenes in this game. Some BDSM and rougher sex, yes, but every encounter will be consensual. I hope that clears that up.

We're you planning on matching VULVA's rough content on certain story arch?.... or tone it down from the last game? Or even go a bit further than VULVA on certain story archs?

 

[Maxh]

There will not be any rape scenes in this game. Some BDSM and rougher sex, yes, but every encounter will be consensual. I hope that clears that up.

So judging by this statement... I was wrong about the losing to villains on missions... because "there won't be rape"... so the most we can expect from a failed mission is bondage, unless say a villain is a consistent rival to a hero and then there is a stand-off with some kind of villain monolog and a challenge is made where loser gets fucked (making it consensual)... just like a normal sporting event...

But I was right about what to expect from the school.... pursuing certain characters in dating and sports challenges will lead to some hardcore rough content, especially after sports, sparing, and maby a catfight or two.

 

[red_faced]

There will not be any rape scenes in this game. Some BDSM and rougher sex, yes, but every encounter will be consensual. I hope that clears that up.

This is the right choice, IMO

 

[ucciuburdu]

well... Sex was consensual in VULVA after all. Even the rough one.
About the pacing, probably you have other priorities in life if there's the war at your home...

 

[Juicer97]

Was pretty good in the beginning but got boring pretty quickly. One of the downsides is lack of descriptions and dialogue during sex scenes.

 

[A.R.K.A.N.G.E.L]

any chance we get an update soon?

 

[spitfire335]

Crossing my fingers for some romance/dates content with Candace.

 

[yahotzp]

Version 0.721 Released:

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What's New:

- Added transparency slider for dialogue boxes

- New classroom event

- New PE event

- 2nd date with Candice

- 1st date with Pamela

- New recurring event with Betty to raise Aff and Resp to help qualify for her nighttime event

- Bug fixes

2 new galleries to discover!

 

[Lerd0]

Version 0.721 Released: Mega


What's New:

- Added transparency slider for dialogue boxes

- New classroom event

- New PE event

- 2nd date with Candice

- 1st date with Pamela

- New recurring event with Betty to raise Aff and Resp to help qualify for her nighttime event

- Bug fixes

2 new galleries to discover!

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[DonSimon228]

Version 0.721 Released: Mega


What's New:

- Added transparency slider for dialogue boxes

- New classroom event

- New PE event

- 2nd date with Candice

- 1st date with Pamela

- New recurring event with Betty to raise Aff and Resp to help qualify for her nighttime event

- Bug fixes

2 new galleries to discover!

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Thanks alot

 

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