Kazanovaromeo

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All of the women in this game are attractive. It is unlikely and difficult for a dev to put unattractive characters in games. Much like a movie or TV show, you rarely see an unattractive person unless they have something specific to offer. It is funny reading all the comments about how horrible it is that <my favorite LI> was screwed over by the devs in this story. I keep waiting for a legitimate critique of the story and its characters that doesn't involve ridiculous bias.

The story is about the MC and Jaye. Everyone else is secondary to the story. If the story were about how the best friend and MC should've been together, Tara would have a bigger role. If the story were about how the MC fell in love with the CEO of his parents' company, then Lisa would be the focus. But this is "the story of step-siblings reconnecting and dealing with the fallout of their parents' unexpected deaths." Not the story of how step-siblings deal with the fallout of their parents' unexpected deaths and meet an intrepid reporter and she changes their lives!

Yes, Mallory is secondary in the story. She is a love interest but not the focus of the story. She plays a major role in the telling of a story about two siblings coming to grips with their parents' death and how they are thrust into running a major corporation together. Despite Mallory being secondary, a good amount of the story concentrates on the feelings growing between the MC and Mallory and how she fits into the corporation run by the MC's parents. But that isn't the story. This is a love story about Jaye and the MC.

Now, there is something off about the Mallory/Amanda/MC relationship. It does feel a bit forced. Although, Amanda's personality and life experience play well into the awkwardness. It doesn't quite explain everything and many players are left with the feeling that something is not quite right. I do not believe that is because Mallory is secondary in the story or that the devs did not focus more on her character development.

I would love to see some honest critiques of why the secondary characters should be the primary story. Something other than, "She's my favorite." :ROFLMAO:
So , what you mean is that "the primary Main girl in a game should be the one and Only Li " , Right ?
 

Kazanovaromeo

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I only started playing this game earlier this year, but after extensive reading in this thread and some other places I came to the conclusion that Tara was only a one-time thing in the past and Lisa is only a fling in the present time.
You can't choose Tara or Lisa as real LIs in the game, but only Jaye and Mal. In fact, I'm not even sure there's a chance we will see another sex scene with Tara in the future or if that flashback super early in the game was the only thing we'll ever get to see with her in this game. Have the devs explicitly commented on this?
Anyway, Tara is almost forgotten in the story despite the very important role she played in the past and the fact that she's still Jaye's best friend.
Jaye is my favourite, so I'm good in that regard, but Tara is my second favourite girl and I believe her role in the story is disappointing and a wasted opportunity. It would have made much more sense than Amanda's involvement on Mal's path, in my opinion.
I won't even touch on Tara and Lisa's being LIs in the next game; that's... indescribable.
But that is Not Fair... Unfair... Fair NOT , please dear Dev Have Mercy 852860456334262282.gif
and BTW I play many Unique Great games in which there is a main character Girl the whole story is built on her but she is NOT the only LI in the game and the game goes very smoothly , SO WHAT ?:cry::cry::sleep:
 
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NewTricks

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It would be nice if this was the kind of game where any of the LIs would be a valid choice to end up with but the structure of the story just doesn't support it. It is pretty much a "chicken or steak" kind of decision, although I do think that if you screw up both the chicken and the steak you will end up with one of the other girls being the fish dish. My money's on the British gal pal who stole MCs dick, but your mileage may vary. It would be nice if you could be with the sushi chef or peanut, but there just isn't enough meat on the bones of the story. Tara has a history with him, but not a future, and he would just be cruising for a bruising with the mother/daughter duo.
 

felicemastronzo

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All of the women in this game are attractive. It is unlikely and difficult for a dev to put unattractive characters in games. Much like a movie or TV show, you rarely see an unattractive person unless they have something specific to offer. It is funny reading all the comments about how horrible it is that <my favorite LI> was screwed over by the devs in this story. I keep waiting for a legitimate critique of the story and its characters that doesn't involve ridiculous bias.

The story is about the MC and Jaye. Everyone else is secondary to the story. If the story were about how the best friend and MC should've been together, Tara would have a bigger role. If the story were about how the MC fell in love with the CEO of his parents' company, then Lisa would be the focus. But this is "the story of step-siblings reconnecting and dealing with the fallout of their parents' unexpected deaths." Not the story of how step-siblings deal with the fallout of their parents' unexpected deaths and meet an intrepid reporter and she changes their lives!

Yes, Mallory is secondary in the story. She is a love interest but not the focus of the story. She plays a major role in the telling of a story about two siblings coming to grips with their parents' death and how they are thrust into running a major corporation together. Despite Mallory being secondary, a good amount of the story concentrates on the feelings growing between the MC and Mallory and how she fits into the corporation run by the MC's parents. But that isn't the story. This is a love story about Jaye and the MC.

Now, there is something off about the Mallory/Amanda/MC relationship. It does feel a bit forced. Although, Amanda's personality and life experience play well into the awkwardness. It doesn't quite explain everything and many players are left with the feeling that something is not quite right. I do not believe that is because Mallory is secondary in the story or that the devs did not focus more on her character development.

I would love to see some honest critiques of why the secondary characters should be the primary story. Something other than, "She's my favorite." :ROFLMAO:
Let's assume that everyone tells the story they want.

But Tara's role in the relationship between Jaye and mc is much more important than Amanda's role, and this despite the fact that Tara was at one point banned from the story and confined to mobile phone messages. It was a choice like that to force Amanda's presence in the group (as had also been done for Mallory before) . I don't think it is among the priorities of a company under attack to test unapproved treatments on a stranger.

I don't see any need why the story had to go in this direction, it was just a choice.
 

Nurikabe

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Let's assume that everyone tells the story they want.

But Tara's role in the relationship between Jaye and mc is much more important than Amanda's role, and this despite the fact that Tara was at one point banned from the story and confined to mobile phone messages. It was a choice like that to force Amanda's presence in the group (as had also been done for Mallory before) . I don't think it is among the priorities of a company under attack to test unapproved treatments on a stranger.

I don't see any need why the story had to go in this direction, it was just a choice.
While I like Tara's character (despite the ridiculous hair) more than Amanda's, Amanda's role in the story seems more important to me. Tara added flavor to the Jaye/MC story. Amanda's role deepens and broadens the story with Mallory and the aspect of the story about the corporation.

I have to completely agree that a major pharmaceutical company would never test an unapproved treatment on a human patient. It is one part of the story that fails the reality test. But dammit, the women are just so hot that I am willing to overlook it! ;)
 

Nurikabe

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So , what you mean is that "the primary Main girl in a game should be the one and Only Li " , Right ?
Well, if you mean that Jaye should be the one and only, of course! Look at her!

Nah, I love that the devs gave us the choice. Some people might be completely against Jaye as an LI considering their relationship. Mallory is hot. She is. But Jaye...Jaye is one of the hottest women I have ever seen in a VN. On the other hand, I realy appreciate the love that grows between Mallory and the MC. It is endearing. While the love between Jaye and the MC is deep and overwhelmingly honest. The kind of love I would kill for.

But choices are wonderful! Especially when we get two world-class women to choose from!
 

felicemastronzo

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While I like Tara's character (despite the ridiculous hair) more than Amanda's, Amanda's role in the story seems more important to me. Tara added flavor to the Jaye/MC story. Amanda's role deepens and broadens the story with Mallory and the aspect of the story about the corporation.

I have to completely agree that a major pharmaceutical company would never test an unapproved treatment on a human patient. It is one part of the story that fails the reality test. But dammit, the women are just so hot that I am willing to overlook it! ;)
If you increase a character's 'on-stage' time, it is normal that his or her importance increases, the same happened with Lisa, captain Tanaka and Bianca. But Amanda didn't answer any questions that we had outstanding.

Suddenly Mallory brings aboard this childhood friend of hers with a very serious genetic disease and 'morally blackmailing' them into taking care of her.
The only addition to Mallory's character was a supposed bisexuality....
 

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OMG , That's the spirit
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:love: :love: :love:
Gotta love Jaye's fire! Those redheads!
Personally, I am a dark-haired beauty fan. But Jaye, I think I might be in love with her!
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Kazanovaromeo

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Well, if you mean that Jaye should be the one and only, of course! Look at her!

Nah, I love that the devs gave us the choice. Some people might be completely against Jaye as an LI considering their relationship. Mallory is hot. She is. But Jaye...Jaye is one of the hottest women I have ever seen in a VN. On the other hand, I realy appreciate the love that grows between Mallory and the MC. It is endearing. While the love between Jaye and the MC is deep and overwhelmingly honest. The kind of love I would kill for.

But choices are wonderful! Especially when we get two world-class women to choose from!
Hey , Jaye is my 1st choise also No doubt But I love to play the great games as many times of the gorgeous girls , Meaning I can play it For Jaye Only then for Lisa only and so on and it is very easy thanks for pressing right control button you need to study the game only one time then play it again easy
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All of the women in this game are attractive. It is unlikely and difficult for a dev to put unattractive characters in games. Much like a movie or TV show, you rarely see an unattractive person unless they have something specific to offer. It is funny reading all the comments about how horrible it is that <my favorite LI> was screwed over by the devs in this story. I keep waiting for a legitimate critique of the story and its characters that doesn't involve ridiculous bias.

The story is about the MC and Jaye. Everyone else is secondary to the story. If the story were about how the best friend and MC should've been together, Tara would have a bigger role. If the story were about how the MC fell in love with the CEO of his parents' company, then Lisa would be the focus. But this is "the story of step-siblings reconnecting and dealing with the fallout of their parents' unexpected deaths." Not the story of how step-siblings deal with the fallout of their parents' unexpected deaths and meet an intrepid reporter and she changes their lives!

Yes, Mallory is secondary in the story. She is a love interest but not the focus of the story. She plays a major role in the telling of a story about two siblings coming to grips with their parents' death and how they are thrust into running a major corporation together. Despite Mallory being secondary, a good amount of the story concentrates on the feelings growing between the MC and Mallory and how she fits into the corporation run by the MC's parents. But that isn't the story. This is a love story about Jaye and the MC.

Now, there is something off about the Mallory/Amanda/MC relationship. It does feel a bit forced. Although, Amanda's personality and life experience play well into the awkwardness. It doesn't quite explain everything and many players are left with the feeling that something is not quite right. I do not believe that is because Mallory is secondary in the story or that the devs did not focus more on her character development.

I would love to see some honest critiques of why the secondary characters should be the primary story. Something other than, "She's my favorite." :ROFLMAO:
The forbidden fruit is always more delicious.
 

Aristos

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I would love to see some honest critiques of why the secondary characters should be the primary story. Something other than, "She's my favorite." :ROFLMAO:
I'd call that a straw man, buddy.
Asking for Tara not to vanish from the game, and asking for a chance to maybe have some more romantic interactions with her, is not asking for her to become the primary character in the story.
Jaye is by far the most important female character in the game; it would be ridiculous to deny it and I don't think anyone would. Now, that wouldn't need to mean that Jaye should be the main or even the only romantic option, which is proved by the fact that the devs offered Mallory as an alternative. Jaye would always be at the centre of the main story and working side by side with the MC even if Tara was presented as a viable secondary romantic option. I think Tara is an important enough person in the main characters' lives to have been given at least that chance.
 

felicemastronzo

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I'd call that a straw man, buddy.
Asking for Tara not to vanish from the game, and asking for a chance to maybe have some more romantic interactions with her, is not asking for her to become the primary character in the story.
Jaye is by far the most important female character in the game; it would be ridiculous to deny it and I don't think anyone would. Now, that wouldn't need to mean that Jaye should be the main or even the only romantic option, which is proved by the fact that the devs offered Mallory as an alternative. Jaye would always be at the centre of the main story and working side by side with the MC even if Tara was presented as a viable secondary romantic option. I think Tara is an important enough person in the main characters' lives to have been given at least that chance.
especially considering the alternatives that were proposed to us afterwards.

if the game had remained a Manichean choice between Jaye and Mallory it would have been one thing, simple story, but understandable choice.

instead now the hypothesis with both LIs is held up , a trouple from "Wish" is built on Mallory, and suddenly every secondary character has their moment in the spotlight (I still wait for the bartender/driver to fulfill her promise and wait for Fiona)

I see potential wasted
 
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Alright i decided to re-do my "cameos in the Chasing Sunsets/ARTEMIS/Leap of Faith AVN shared universe timeline". THIS TIME WITH IMAGES OF THE CAMEOS!
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As of Late-August 2023:


1- Jaye in Summer Scent since she mentions her parents as still being alive (although i consider this AVN as not being part of the shared universe, imma add it here for continuity)
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2- Jaye at the harbor in Leap of Faith where she talks to the LoF MC and takes a selfie with Lexi.
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3- Lexi's selfie with Jaye is sent to Tara.
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4- DJ Kink (Kindra) appears in LoF and kisses the MC, mistaking him for the ARTEMIS MC
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5- Kindra calls Lexi to ask for a favor and shows her the ARTEMIS MC, telling her she "also had one at home" and Lexi mistakes him for the LoF MC (meaning this cameo is after a "Lexi Ending" in LoF, however that doesn't mean this is the canon ending)
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6- In Ch.7 of Chasing Sunsets, Artemis talks to Amanda in a group chat.
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7- The Siblings from Summer Scent talk with Jaye on advice with her "relationship" (again i personally don't consider this game as part of the shared universe)
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Unknown point- Christine (Sea) LoF MC's half-sister appears in U4IA as a possible LI, still clumsy as ever (this is considered as part of the shared universe since it's a direct sequel to LoF)
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Jaye and Mallory in Single Again
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Lexi and Cece in Fog of War
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Cece in Dreams of Reality.
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Cece in Beyond Tomorrow
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This post will be updated as more cameos happen.
So you think I am gonna play at least 3 other games because Cece in it?
 
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