VN Ren'Py Completed Chasing Sunsets [v1.01] [Stone Fox Studios]

[wimle]

When I saw Artemis, I literally went nuts! WTF!!! When are they going to finish Artemis?!?!

 

[MiltonPowers]

When I saw Artemis, I literally went nuts! WTF!!! When are they going to finish Artemis?!?!

Umm, maybe ask on the Artemis thread.

 

[TonyMurray]

That's why such mods are generally shit. They leads on the players to make the "right" decisions. In the end players are only chosing the "best" choice and ends up confused learning that hunting for the love points high score and all the scenes isn't the best way to play a game. Walkthrough mods are just making players to play it kinetic.

I see it as two different types of mod. One (like Sancho's) gives you the info you need to make the choice you want (although that might not always be clear for long-term impact). The other, that I don't like and won't give a name to (if nothing else, because I don't keep them in mind) will say things like "best choice" or "I recommend" - these are based on how the modder wants to play it, not how you might want to play it.

The issue with mods is usually in the "chair to keyboard interface", unless the modder hasn't done a good enough job and has left holes and other issues in there...

 

[Barrazin]

The reward is a relationship with Mallory. I wouldn't call her "not a lot".

The "relationship" consists of her saying "get me pregnant" and her appearing at the bar in the final scene. Other than that pretty much nothing changes in comparison to the open relationship route.

 

[World of Pants]

I don't know if it's required, but I picked an open relationship with Mallory. The following is required:

Choose to be in a committed relationship with Jaye at the resort.
In chapter 9, you need to phone a friend to get Jaye in the John Hopkins program.
In chapter 9, after spending time at the cabin with Mallory, tell her you wish things could be different.
In chapter 9, when you have sex with Jaye, her love score must be 95 or higher (this is probably the hardest part) and Mallory's must be 80 or higher.
If you meet all of those requirements, Jaye will offer a polyamorous relationship option after sex. Say you'll talk to Mallory.

Thanks for this, I just tested it out.

I loaded up my throuple playthrough from my chapter 5 save and chose to be commited to Jaye.
I tabbed through all the chapters to the end, thinking that getting 80 love with Mal might be an issue, but no! it was fine, I had 90 love with Mal, yay!!!
Unfortunately I only had 93 love with Jaye DOH!!!

I will need to play from an earlier save, or even just start from the beginning again lol!

 

[MiltonPowers]

Thanks for this, I just tested it out.

I loaded up my throuple playthrough from my chapter 5 save and chose to be commited to Jaye.
I tabbed through all the chapters to the end, thinking that getting 80 love with Mal might be an issue, but no! it was fine, I had 90 love with Mal, yay!!!
Unfortunately I only had 93 love with Jaye DOH!!!

I will need to play from an earlier save, or even just start from the beginning again lol!

Check your Chapter summaries they will tell you how many points out of how many. You can start from the last one that gives you almost 100%.

 

[TonyMurray]

The "relationship" consists of her saying "get me pregnant" and her appearing at the bar in the final scene. Other than that pretty much nothing changes in comparison to the open relationship route.

Well, it's the future relationship that you'll see in the epilogue. In the Mallory path, you're together with Mallory. In the "open" path, Mallory dumps you, so you're not with Mallory.

 

[Vixen ♀]

my goodness, the ending was such cliffhanger

we riot

 

[Nezron]

I guess this is a case of reality not meeting expectations. There's no harem tag, there was never an indication that there would be a harem ending. The whole game (as far as LIs go) has been about choosing between Jaye and Mallory.

I understand there is not Harem tag, but the game plays like a harem game in a lot of ways right up to the end, In my play through Jaye and Mallory knew about each other and even helped each other with the MC, and then the end was just Mallory was "I am out".

I understand that the developer for what ever reason wanted the MC to end up with basically either Jaye or Mallory. All I am saying it would be a better game (for me) if it had a Harem tag and was a Harem game.

you have a nice day.
peace

 

[OsirianObsidian]

For the most part I agree with you. I don't think the devs changed their mind at the last moment, though.

I think they always intended to punish "greedy/manwhore" behavior and reward loyalty, it's just that they used a very crude heuristic to make that determination. They figured greedy playthroughs would jump at the open relationship while loyal ones would bite the bullet and call things off with Mallory - because that's no less than Jaye deserves. They didn't think through the details, like how players might view those options in a different light and thus make choices out of line with the dev's broad categorization of their motivations.

They basically copied the form of those old secret tests of character (the ones where you need to turn down a reward in order to get it), and thus treated the throuple like a reward to be earned rather than an inter-character conundrum to be resolved. No surprise the resulting characterizations can be wildly inconsistent.

And in doing so made it incongruent with the characters themselves. I’ve got no problem with Mallory and Jaye rejecting the MC if you choose to go down the open relationship path and fuck anything that moves. That’s not the issue. The issue is that making poly a reward for being loyal makes it seem as though polyamory is a fetish rather than a lifestyle.

It’s a bigger stretch narratively to suggest that a monogamous person who you’ve been dedicated to would suddenly accept a polyamorous relationship than for two people who have already agreed to an open relationship to close it into a genuine throuple (with the greedy manwhore penalty being if you’ve taken advantage of the open relationship by fucking anyone outside of Jaye/Mallory). It’s like they’ve equated the idea of a threesome = poly.

When I played it and found out that the open relationship ended up with no one, I thought “Well that sucks, but it’s congruent with the characters - they just aren’t poly, which is why they tried an open relationship but it didn’t work.”

When I found out that, no, they are poly, but only if you’re completely (and I mean you can’t assign any love points to the other girl at all when it’s a choice between them)…I thought “that’s fucking absolute BS.”
[/ispolier]

Also, I've gone through the code:

Jaye:

Will be okay with poly (state 6) if:

She is in an intimate relationship/has fallen back in love with you/
You get her into John Hopkins (this is the flag to make poly a thing with her)
Jaye love is at least 95 and Mallory love is at least 80 when the last sex scene with Jaye happens (which will push Jaye to 98-100)
You told Mallory you wished things were different (you'll know you're on the right path (>80 love) when Mallory tells you that she loves you)

These states automatically set Mallory and Jaye to state 6 (when both are in state 6, they become ok with poly).

Trust makes ZERO difference to this, which again is complete bullshit in a poly relationship, but whatever.

In my playthrough, Jaye ended with 98/100 love, 83/90 trust and Mallory ended with 96 love/100 love and 87/90 trust.



Mallory:
Will be okay with a poly relationship with Amanda (state 5) if:

She is in an intimate relationship/completely in love with you
You had the threesome with Amanda

 

[ename144]

You mentioned that you "accidentally" got that, and there might be other people in the same boat. But my question to you (and those in similar position), is it really an accident? The reason why I asked this is because of the said requirements being high love score for both Jaye and Mallory, as well as telling Mallory that you wish things could be different. To me, if the goal is to be with Jaye, there is no reason for either of those requirements to be fulfilled by the MC.

While I can appreciate that you might not intend to go for polyamory ending (and therefore "accidental"), IMO this is the beauty of this game where choices actually matter. You did say you wish things were different with Mallory (clearly implying that you wanted more though you didn't act on it). You did keep high love score with Mallory (an accumulation of your choices throughout the game up to that point) so she is still interested in MC despite MC being in a relationship with Jaye. Based on these choices, it seems that the MC did want to have polyamory relationship if possible, and that's what the game gave you. This is the result of your choices.

This is not a knock on you or others btw. This is more of a conversation on a broader context where I think a lot of players do not expect that their choices can matter in an intricate way like this where there is no polyamory path but there is a polyamory ending. This is very different than most other games where often times paths are very obviously marked. As I mentioned on my other comment, this is a positive thing for me though I can understand that others might feel differently.

I imagine most people met those requirements by treating this as a game: maximize all the points!

I think the more pertinent question is why this MC who told Jaye "I want all the things" AND told Mallory "I wish things were different" never lifted a finger to address the seeming paradox throughout the course of the game. It's easy to castigate asking for an open relationship as treating this like a typical porn game, but that open relationship is the closest thing the game has to the MC trying to set up a proper polyamorous path properly (rather than waiting for Jaye to do it out of the blue). It doesn't necessarily mean what the game thinks it means.

You say choices should matter, but it doesn't feel that way when an MC who chooses to start an honest relationship with two women - telling them up front and turning down all others (whenever the script permits, anyway) - gets lumped in with an MC who bangs anything that moves. Choices matter when they fit the narrow lens through which the devs viewed them, but can get very muddled otherwise. I remind you that not only will Mallory 'break up' with an MC who wanted to take things slower with her, but the MC will blame himself for 'asking for' an open relationship that he was trying to avoid the whole time. That's not some sort of window into Mallory or the MC as characters, it's a minor game branch the devs didn't spend enough time coding.

 

[Adhdclassic]

I understand Mallory having feelings for MC and Amanda in the end, but no Jaye and Mallory scenes with MC was a letdown. I assumed there would have been a intimate scene between the 3.

 

[Justaphase]

I understand Mallory having feelings for MC and Amanda in the end, but no Jaye and Mallory scenes with MC was a letdown. I assumed there would have been a intimate scene between the 3.

Same here. Especially since Jaye seems to be bisexual and has had sex with Tara, yes the game tries to say that Tara was mostly pretending to be the MC but still...come on.
When Jaye and Mallory had eachother pinned to the bed I think it would have been the perfect opportunity for a kiss to happen, then also when they shower together after. This then makes them both realise that they also have feelings for eachother, which I believe should have opened the throuple path. Personally I think it would have made it feel more natural and also hot, which is of course important in a bloody AVN.

 

[FROZER]

people don’t understand this joke?!? The thing is that I choose the options that the WT mod shows in episodes 1 and 2, both girls get max points as they should, but after 2 episodes and until the end of this version of the game, both girls always lack points.. I choose the options that are required but these bitch glasses are always missing.. WHAT THE HELL? why so? and in some cases it is not possible to select all options. ... what should be done so that both girls always have max points? Is this possible? Yes, and here’s the joke: you get points in episodes 1 and 2 at the max, but for some reason they don’t give you the achievement, and it’s strange, if it’s wrong that Mellisa and Jay have the max, as it should, but they don’t give me the achievement. how so?

 

[MiltonPowers]

people don’t understand this joke?!? The thing is that I choose the options that the WT mod shows in episodes 1 and 2, both girls get max points as they should, but after 2 episodes and until the end of this version of the game, both girls always lack points.. I choose the options that are required but these bitch glasses are always missing.. WHAT THE HELL? why so? and in some cases it is not possible to select all options. ... what should be done so that both girls always have max points? Is this possible? Yes, and here’s the joke: you get points in episodes 1 and 2 at the max, but for some reason they don’t give you the achievement, and it’s strange, if it’s wrong that Mellisa and Jay have the max, as it should, but they don’t give me the achievement. how so?

You cannot get max points with both girls. It is impossible. (Unless you use a cheat, which I would not recommend, as I suspect would break the game).

 

[FROZER]

You cannot get max points with both girls. It is impossible. (Unless you use a cheat, which I would not recommend, as I suspect would break the game).

yes, but the thing is that I can’t get max points with one of the girls, I don’t know about both of them.. both of them always don’t have enough points, no matter how hard I try, even with one I can’t get max points.. that’s it and it’s not clear why is this?

 

[MiltonPowers]

yes, but the thing is that I can’t get max points with one of the girls, I don’t know about both of them.. both of them always don’t have enough points, no matter how hard I try, even with one I can’t get max points.. that’s it and it’s not clear why is this?

I'm pretty sure you can't get max points with just one of the girls either. I've never been able to any playthrough.

EDIT: I was actually able to get max love points on Mal solo route. 110/100.

 

[Acsuka]

I'm pretty sure you can't get max points with just one of the girls either. I've never been able to any playthrough.

I was also only able to maximize the love points... The trust points are a few points below the maximum every time... And in any case, only for one girl...

 

[MiltonPowers]

I was also only able to maximize the love points... The trust points are a few points below the maximum every time... And in any case, only for one girl...

I've always had enough points to do whatever I needed to do, so I've never actually looked into why I couldn't get maximum. But I remembered after writing that I was able to get max love points on Mal solo route 110/100 somehow??? I haven't finished Jaye solo in latest update yet (I lost those saves and had to start from the beginning again), but I'm currently 84/88 love with Jaye (at end of C8).

 

[felicemastronzo]

I'm pretty sure you can't get max points with just one of the girls either. I've never been able to any playthrough.

EDIT: I was actually able to get max love points on Mal solo route. 110/100.

It seems to me that around chapter 5-6 there is a choice explicitly in favour of Jaye that is necessary to maximise Mallory's score