VN Ren'Py Completed Chasing Sunsets [v1.10a] [Stone Fox Studios]

[UncleFredo]

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Sounds fun. Let's imagine a scene where Jaye is having a disagreement with her brother, and he loses his temper and begins to punch her as hard as he can. How do you suppose all of the Jaye fans would react to that? Do you think they would be able to ignore that just as they did with Jaye when she did it to him?

So the MC is an athlete. Her punching him is pretty much immaterial. He's far stronger and more than capable of fending her off without damage. Sure there are circumstances where the female in the equation is physically more powerful, but this isn't one.

You know, men are trained from an early age to deal with the physical out lashing of upset women. Take the hits. Wrap them up. Hold them until they calm down. I get that it's not PC, but it is reality.

Your question is interesting in the abstract, but given the circumstances between them it simply wouldn't happen. He'd NEVER harm her no matter the provocation. NEVER EVER. If he felt his self control weakening, he'd walk away. Hell he abandoned his family because he felt his control over his feelings was slipping.

To imagine that scene is to deny EVERYTHING we've learned about these two people. You're asking us not to imagine a scene between the MC and Jaye but a scene between two strangers unrelated to these two characters.

 

[Primarch Dorn]

LOL! Yeah, with her iris's being square and her hand rigging being all types of jacked up. *shudders*

A certain 10%....

 

[Cricco]

So the MC is an athlete. Her punching him is pretty much immaterial. He's far stronger and more than capable of fending her off without damage. Sure there are circumstances where the female in the equation is physically more powerful, but this isn't one.

You know, men are trained from an early age to deal with the physical out lashing of upset women. Take the hits. Wrap them up. Hold them until they calm down. I get that it's not PC, but it is reality.

Your question is interesting in the abstract, but given the circumstances between them it simply wouldn't happen. He'd NEVER harm her no matter the provocation. NEVER EVER. If he felt his self control weakening, he'd walk away. Hell he abandoned his family because he felt his control over his feelings was slipping.

To imagine that scene is to deny EVERYTHING we've learned about these two people. You're asking us not to imagine a scene between the MC and Jaye but a scene between two strangers unrelated to these two characters.

Bruh, are you Amber Heard's lawyer? Hammering down on someone is fine just as long as the one doing the hammering is female and it fits their personality? You must be, bruh

 

[Walter Victor]

Bruh, are you Amber Heard's lawyer? Hammering down on someone is fine just as long as the one doing the hammering is female and it fits their personality? You must be, bruh

What part about the hammering person being physically weaker than the hammered person did you ignore?

 

[UncleFredo]

Bruh, are you Amber Heard's lawyer? Hammering down on someone is fine just as long as the one doing the hammering is female and it fits their personality? You must be, bruh

Sure hammering on someone is generally wrong, male or female. I was in court when the case before mine was a domestic dispute. He was 5'7" 145lbs soaking wet. She was 5'10" easily 250 lbs. All he wanted was a police escort so he could get his personal things out of their formerly shared apartment, and needed the protection so she couldn't beat him up. The judge looks at the woman and says "You don't actually hit him do you?" She replies "All the time. When ever he needs it. I smack him whenever he gets out of line." The judge clearly is shaken, then issues an order that the police will escort him while she stays out of the apartment so he can collect his belongings. Real life often defies stereotypes.

My point is that the situation presented was far outside the personalities of the characters involved. The MC simply would not harm Jaye under any circumstances. Period. So any speculation around that premise was fatally flawed. If we imagine the MC beating up Jaye, we're imagining a stranger, not the MC we've come to know.

 

[Cricco]

What part about the hammering person being physically weaker than the hammered person did you ignore?

Fuck me, dude. I was a lanky piece of shit for a good 18 years of my life, could've spent all that time headbutting my way through arguments.

 

[AC1DFOX]

What do I have to do to get a storyline with Amanda?? The hottest chick in the game is completely left out of the mix..

 

[Walter Victor]

What do I have to do to get a storyline with Amanda?? The hottest chick in the game is completely left out of the mix..

Probably just wait for an update or two. Seeing what happened in the last release, it would seem to be only a matter of time on the Mallory path.

Of course, bribing the developers probably wouldn't hurt.

 

[Alfred the Fallen]

So the MC is an athlete. Her punching him is pretty much immaterial. He's far stronger and more than capable of fending her off without damage.

Oh, so it's no harm no foul? Does that mean that the main character could slap her around a bit as long as he doesn't injure her? She could live through a few bruises so would that be okay?

Or how about Jaye just learns to behave like a normal person and stop violently lashing out at people? Is that too much to ask? She's like one of those yappy little dogs that snaps at everyone because they were never taught how to behave since people thought her actions were cute because she is too small and weak to do any real damage.

If we imagine the MC beating up Jaye, we're imagining a stranger, not the MC we've come to know.

But if we imagine Jaye trying to beat up the MC, it's exactly the Jaye we've come to know. And that's the point here. I know that the MC wouldn't hit Jaye, because he's a decent human being, but I also know that I can't say the same for Jaye. A relationship with Jaye would be a horrible idea, and I want the option to have the main character realize this and tell Jaye to grow up and back off.

The game likes to push this awful idea that hate isn't the opposite of love, but that's a dangerous load of nonsense. That's the kind of reasoning you get from abusive partners who say things like "Oh baby, you know I only hit you because I love you so much it makes me crazy".

 

[Deleted member 4887608]

Are the paths going to intersect at some point in the future where you gotta pick one cause single brain celled me is playing both side on one save?

 

[Primarch Dorn]

Are the paths going to intersect at some point in the future where you gotta pick one cause single brain celled me is playing both side on one save?

Most likley, as of now, there is no planned path for both

 

[Walter Victor]

Oh, so it's no harm no foul? Does that mean that the main character could slap her around a bit as long as he doesn't injure her? She could live through a few bruises so would that be okay?

Or how about Jaye just learns to behave like a normal person and stop violently lashing out at people? Is that too much to ask? She's like one of those yappy little dogs that snaps at everyone because they were never taught how to behave since people thought her actions were cute because she is too small and weak to do any real damage.

Who the hell said that it would be okay for the MC to slap Jaye around? Nobody on this thread!

But you too are missing the point about the person on the receiving end being far stronger. The MC can easily absorb any punishment that Jaye could deal out.

So you don't like Jaye. Fine. There ARE other options in this game.

But if we imagine Jaye trying to beat up the MC, it's exactly the Jaye we've come to know. And that's the point here. I know that the MC wouldn't hit Jaye, because he's a decent human being, but I also know that I can't say the same for Jaye. A relationship with Jaye would be a horrible idea, and I want the option to have the main character realize this and tell Jaye to grow up and back off.

The game likes to push this awful idea that hate isn't the opposite of love, but that's a dangerous load of nonsense. That's the kind of reasoning you get from abusive partners who say things like "Oh baby, you know I only hit you because I love you so much it makes me crazy".

It seems to me that you already have the option for the MC to be with someone else and not be romantically involved with Jaye. Perhaps that's not good enough for you. Just what DO you want the MC to do with/to Jaye?

I don't see how the definitions of love and hate have anything to do with someone slapping around their partner. People don't usually do that out of love OR hate. More likely it's about control... or they're just an asshole - someone who doesn't know a thing about love, but does know a lot about abuse and how to deal it out.

 

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Mallory art by Kentyrr

 

[Alfred the Fallen]

But you too are missing the point about the person on the receiving end being far stronger. The MC can easily absorb any punishment that Jaye could deal out.

No, I'm not missing the point; I'm disagreeing with the point. You and the other Jaye fans who are saying that it's okay for her to be violent with the MC, and I'm saying that it's wrong.

It seems to me that you already have the option for the MC to be with someone else and not be romantically involved with Jaye. Perhaps that's not good enough for you. Just what DO you want the MC to do with/to Jaye?

I want the main character to have the option to tell Jaye to grow up and back off. Have you ever tried to do a run through this game where the main character has a healthy normal relationship with Jaye? One where they learn to work together in a professional manner? It's pretty much impossible. She's stealing his journals, masturbating on his pillow, spying on him in the shower, and rubbing her ass against his crotch like a cat in heat.

More importantly, I want the main character to be able to have a serious conversation with her where he doesn't automatically start taking the blame for everything and saying that everything he did was because he loved her too much. Jaye is pushed way too hard by the writers here. George wants them together, Tara wants them together, even Mallory seems to want them to hook up or something. She just had that weird scene where she tries to get Jaye to do body shots with him to "break down a wall" with Jaye. I don't want that wall broken down. I want it built up and reinforced. Put some sentries on top.

I don't see how the definitions of love and hate have anything to do with someone slapping around their partner. People don't usually do that out of love OR hate. More likely it's about control... or they're just an asshole - someone who doesn't know a thing about love, but does know a lot about abuse and how to deal it out.

So what's Jaye's deal then? She wants control over the MC? Is she just an asshole who doesn't know a thing about love, but does know a lot about abuse and how to deal it out?

 

[Lostanddamned]

LizaS the ending we need, but not the one we deserve.

 

[nyrek]

LizaS the ending we need, but not the one we deserve.

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that's not tarebear on the right

 

[Lostanddamned]

that's not tarebear on the right

Because it's Lisa, you know the best side girl in the game.

 

[ename144]

I want the main character to have the option to tell Jaye to grow up and back off. Have you ever tried to do a run through this game where the main character has a healthy normal relationship with Jaye? One where they learn to work together in a professional manner? It's pretty much impossible. She's stealing his journals, masturbating on his pillow, spying on him in the shower, and rubbing her ass against his crotch like a cat in heat.

More importantly, I want the main character to be able to have a serious conversation with her where he doesn't automatically start taking the blame for everything and saying that everything he did was because he loved her too much. Jaye is pushed way too hard by the writers here. George wants them together, Tara wants them together, even Mallory seems to want them to hook up or something. She just had that weird scene where she tries to get Jaye to do body shots with him to "break down a wall" with Jaye. I don't want that wall broken down. I want it built up and reinforced. Put some sentries on top.

Hear, hear!

It looked like that would be possible in Chapter 3, if you kept Jaye's Trust points up and her Love points down. Unfortunately Jaye flew off the rails in Chapter 4, brazenly attempting to seduce the MC at every turn regardless of their former feelings. And the options to decline are woefully inadequate; when she insists the MC get into bed naked with her, all we can do is slam the door on her. There's no option to stay dressed and talk it out once and for all, nor is this followed up on in Chapter 5. The otherwise excellent grieving scene happens in a complete vacuum.

Mallory's tone-deaf obsession with seeing the two step-siblings hook up doesn't help, either. You'd think a reporter would notice when an obsession is one sided. But it's even stranger from a meta sense: Mallory is the only alternative to Jaye in the game, yet her arc plays out as if we're expected to be pursuing Jaye first and foremost. We can't even max out Mallory's points if the MC turns down Tara's help getting into Jaye's pants.

 

[Lostanddamned]

Hear, hear!

It looked like that would be possible in Chapter 3, if you kept Jaye's Trust points up and her Love points down. Unfortunately Jaye flew off the rails in Chapter 4, brazenly attempting to seduce the MC at every turn regardless of their former feelings. And the options to decline are woefully inadequate; when she insists the MC get into bed naked with her, all we can do is slam the door on her. There's no option to stay dressed and talk it out once and for all, nor is this followed up on in Chapter 5. The otherwise excellent grieving scene happens in a complete vacuum.

Mallory's tone-deaf obsession with seeing the two step-siblings hook up doesn't help, either. You'd think a reporter would notice when an obsession is one sided. But it's even stranger from a meta sense: Mallory is the only alternative to Jaye in the game, yet her arc plays out as if we're expected to be pursuing Jaye first and foremost. We can't even max out Mallory's points if the MC turns down Tara's help getting into Jaye's pants.

I think they made it like that to force the game to follow the story they want to tell. I'm going to give you an example with Where the Heart Is. There's a character there named Jenna and you have the option to completely ignore all romance with her. But at one point of the game you get a call from her to go to a cafe because she found a clue about who sent the email at the beginning of the game and you have the option to accept or decline. If you decline, you get a Game Over screen.

Like the game is not limiting your choices, but has to put some borders so that you actually follow the storyline the devs wanted to tell. It's not realistic, but judging by how well the story is written and told, I think things like that can be overlooked.

Besides MC and Jaye's relationship developing for good isn't necessarily a bad thing and even Lisa didn't speak anything against it when she caught them together in the shower.

 

[Lostanddamned]

Obligatory best startup screen ever post.