RPGM Abandoned Cogito Line [v0.1] [Velminth]

[Gazzzaa]

Best of luck with what you do with this game.
I won't be praying for your downfall but try to do better with this than what happened to Saria Reclaimed.

 

[Kapios223]

I don't get the hate. He tried, failed, then tried again. Like most of novice game developer. He doesn't like his previous game so why he can't start another one?

Why the hate? Let's see, for one this "dev" has already scrapped one project before Saria reclaimed. One failed project I can understand, everyone deserves a second chance, but NEVER a third (fool me once same on you, fool me twice shame on me).

Then he produces Saria Reclaimed, everyone is comparing it with the rather successful "Karryn's Prison" and it garners tons of revenue in the form of Patreon support.
Then for no valid reason he decided to change what would have been a certain hit title, pulled a bait and switch and changed it into a boring linear card game.
(if he could not deliver "programming" wise, he had more than enough Patreon money to hire a capable programmer to push him through the rough spots, so lack of programming experience is no excuse.My theory is that he just wanted the money he already got without putting out the work required, so he intentionally "sabotaged" the game so he could later declare it a flop and go along on to his new grift).
Anyway after this bait and switch his supporters got aggravated and rightfully demanded for the game they supported. The "dev" more or less insulted them, told the to fuck off and that it was his game and he would do with it as he pleases in his discord.

Now that many of his former supporters have left because of his dishonest practices, he decided to scrap "Saria" and go on towards his new grift, and people now won't allow him to keep conning others out of their money.

 

[AigisGames047]

I'm not here to hate on Velminth. I'm here to see the type of person who would still give him money even after everything that has happened.

 

[JuanokuG4]

man this looks good. but comments aren't inspiring much hope
I'll wait a bit. see if it doesn't fall off a cliff on it's own this time

 

[deidra vg]

I'm not here to hate on Velminth. I'm here to see the type of person who would still give him money even after everything that has happened.

This got me curious enough to check their patreon stats, patrons number has been on steady decline but someone's actually whaling to keep the earnings up. I feel bad for whoever it is.

 

[Ferghus]

I think the larger issue is that Velminth is trying for features way beyond his skill level, which he acknowledged on his Patreon. Like the first iteration of Saria seemed to be inspired by Karryn's Prison, but deviated from the gameplay loop that made KP's corruption progression sensible. He failed to balance the fights in a satisfying manner and it took a lot of effort to get to the high corruption content. His next attempt was to redo the combat entirely, this time taking inspirations from Library of Ruina. Again, his take on it deviated from LoR's progression system and he couldn't get it to work. Doing either 1:1 isn't really possible due to the sheer scope and complexity that he definitely doesn't have the resources for. He probably went the VN route to bypass the need to balance things altogether, and here we are now.

We can only hope that whatever this game is based off of is something he can actually adapt, since he's apparently now aware of the feature creep issue. But if it's still above his capabilities, expect a bunch of rework here too.

 

[MethuselahJones]

 

[Shirobine]

I think the larger issue is that Velminth is trying for features way beyond his skill level, which he acknowledged on his Patreon. Like the first iteration of Saria seemed to be inspired by Karryn's Prison, but deviated from the gameplay loop that made KP's corruption progression sensible. He failed to balance the fights in a satisfying manner and it took a lot of effort to get to the high corruption content. His next attempt was to redo the combat entirely, this time taking inspirations from Library of Ruina. Again, his take on it deviated from LoR's progression system and he couldn't get it to work. Doing either 1:1 isn't really possible due to the sheer scope and complexity that he definitely doesn't have the resources for. He probably went the VN route to bypass the need to balance things altogether, and here we are now.

We can only hope that whatever this game is based off of is something he can actually adapt, since he's apparently now aware of the feature creep issue. But if it's still above his capabilities, expect a bunch of rework here too.

Not skill, more just taking on more than he can chew. He was capable of fleshing out the hentai combat in Saria perfectly, he just needed a partner to help him design everything game wise while he worked on the art. Karryn Prison for example was a duo team (alongside the extra help they got with the custom scripts). However, given his personality finding someone capable to work with him as well as tolerate his quick-fire temper was simply not going to happen, especially given he never cared to moderate his power and executive means making it deadly to try to oppose him. The passion left him over time.

This H game is very simple, the majority of the content is based off typical H event finder stuff and the main appeal is going to be the character deigns, the video game aspect is just there to entice your gamer side. It would be hard to fuck up this formula and given it's a regular harem game, it should also be easy to keep his interest with different girls to design. Each girl is probably going to have 1~4 H scenes, unless he's biased about a few of them, so this H game should be finished rather quickly if he puts his mind to it.

 

[The_Thiccness]

The change of Saria to a VN I would say was a mistake. But I am defending the choice to make it card based. Made the game more unique in skill progression and gameplay as compared to most RPGM games.

Gonna give this new game a look.

I dunno, talent tree's are pretty rare in H games. Only one I've played that had that was Karryn's Prison. Also, I feel the card game had more luck and less skill which felt boring to me, but I'm also the type of person that doesn't like large amounts of RNG on my character.

 

[LiselotteDzemael]

So, lemme get this straight

guy had a good game,
then fucked it up (in a bad way),
now goes on to make an entirely new game instead of just reverting the big change people hated about the previous game?
And he STILL can't draw a dick that doesn't look mangled?

Absolutely amazing.

Well in his defense in the post about putting SR on hold he said he basically ADD'd out and got burnt out drawing the same woman repeatedly for 2+ years. Which wouldn't have been an issue if he hadn't scope creeped the game so hard originally with turning it into a card battler and then a VN after. Since doing that made the games development drag out longer than it was originally planned to.

 

[starstar44]

I have high expectations for this one

for the love of god,
L O W E R
T H E M

 

[starstar44]

gonna be here to watch it burn anyone wants popcorn?

i'll take some, ya got any zebra flavor? (coated in white chocolate with milk chocolate drizzle, if you've never tried, go grab some, they're great)

 

[starstar44]

ya know, he does come here to read comments doesnt he? know what?
while i kick back and eat some popcorn while reading the MASS ROASTAGE of this poor con-artist bastard

Im going to leave behind a little message for the game dev, in hopes he sees it:


Velminth

if you are reading this
by all means.

prove us wrong

I NEVER actively WISH for the downfall of a game.
I can certainly TELL when one is going to buckle and shatter

but i dont actively wish it to happen, to me, games are art and i always wish to see art succeed...

even if the creator is whiney, unprofessional and all around a complete and utter dick-piston.

good art can come from anywhere
by anyone
regardless of how badly they deserve to be punched in the face and/or kicked in the groin.

so i fuckin CHALLANGE you to prove us wrong
make every single one of us eat our god damn words, its a win win if you do.

you shake off your rep of being a shitty dev
we stop talking smack about you and get a good game out of it.

use SPITE as fuel, tie down your boots and make a good game so you can say "fuck all of you for saying i couldnt"

I will be watching with great intrest to see if you pull it off, or if history repeats itself just as everyone says it will.

good luck, try not to FUCK IT UP this time.
except, you know
in the good, porn game way

 

[CIover]

after saria reclaimed review bomb he rather made a new game instead of remaking saria for the 3rd time

I'm gonna one up that and say he ALLEGEDLY sabotaged the whole thing so he can move on and do this one for whatever reason. Reasons can be ? ? ? ? ? pretty easy to guess but i'm gonna leave that to your imagination.

Now given this revelation might as well praise him for effectively ALLEGEDLY sabotaging Saria work coz it was masterful how almost everyone hated it and it worked flawlessly.

 

[CIover]

Honestly, putting Saria aside, the art, character design and Ui elements all look good.
I'm not really interested in a male protagonist, but if Vel is losing interest in Saria, maybe a whole new game is just the ticket, instead of making sweeping changes to that one.

I'll keep an eye on this.

That you Velminth?

 

[Hexdt]

Enemy dick needs to be bigger. This is too small

 

[BonkToHJail]

My brain screams: "Why the heck does it looks like Saria game?! - from faces to UI" *Checks Developer:* - Oh! now i understand... Hope this one won't get abandoned, or turned into VN

 

[Jacob Kururugi]

Aight boys start placing your bets on how much time will pass before vel abandons this too

wait so he's actually done with the previous project????

 

[Hiroshi000]

wait so he's actually done with the previous project????

Yep
It's "on hold" here on f95zone but it's very unlikely that he will return working on it so he effectively abandoned it

 

[Jacob Kururugi]

Yep
It's "on hold" here on f95zone but it's very unlikely that he will return working on it so he effectively abandoned it

Man this why I dont like supporting projects sometimes, very rarely do the devs finish them. Its kinda a spit in the face because he rebuilt and changed the game's systems just to abandon it 4 months later.....