VN Ren'Py College of Mysteria [v0.10] [HappySteveGames]

[longjohngold]

Typo:

 

[reidanota]

All those going on about what is, isn't...won't...their undying bond...paragraphs of fact instead of opinion...remember, he already slipped in a NTR scene with Cindy getting fucked without permission last update then hastily changed it after the backlash.

I respect anyone who read it differently than myself, but it isn't a fact that the scene with Cinty in the gloryhole was NTR. To require formal permission before each and every scene is a very limiting take on communication within a couple. There are plenty of good sharing games where trust is implicit and there's no need to file for an authorization before every move. Exciting Games is one that comes to mind. Very importantly to me, they're not the "free pass" type of games, just plain old monogamy with a good deal of trust. There aren't negotiated boundaries, only the understanding that anything one does is thinking of the other, always.

If this scene had taken place at the start of the game, one might wonder, but to feel it erases everything that took place until then is precipitous. By then, Cindy would have had sex with Eustice multiple times, and two scenes with the dorm master. In all of those, it was Will who encouraged her. She knows what he likes and can feel free to tease him autonomously. To keep her acting like a puppet, on his command, is imho wasting her teasing potential. There are also a lot of games that treat netorase as a power trip where the MC pimps out (literally or symbolically) his LIs. Not particularly interesting. Others set up a great initial understanding with lots of preparatory conversations and explicit consent, and do blunder spectacularly into the most wicked ntr while advertising nts (BILH). I can understand how a player used to games that went down that route would be put on the defensive. Pure PTSD. I know I have it, which makes me more confident about the fact that CoM gives me no such vibes. Cindy is very loyal and smart, which makes me want her to be the "baddest" girl that she can, for Will - provided that Will measures up, which was my point. I think Will is about to prove he's worth every bit of Cindy's love.

All of these sharing scenes are optional in this game, anyway. Feels really far-fetched to conclude that the story is heading towards cheating or a break-up being the canon, from one sex scene and one other where Cindy just shows how utterly disgusted she is with the noble kids' mediocrity, both of which can be read in plenty of different ways. Ofc, that one read is valid, too, just can't claim it's more factual than others.

 

[Chaoticjustice]

I respect anyone who read it differently than myself, but it isn't a fact that the scene with Cinty in the gloryhole was NTR. To require formal permission before each and every scene is a very limiting take on communication within a couple. There are plenty of good sharing games where trust is implicit and there's no need to file for an authorization before every move. Exciting Games is one that comes to mind. Very importantly to me, they're not the "free pass" type of games, just plain old monogamy with a good deal of trust. There aren't negotiated boundaries, only the understanding that anything one does is thinking of the other, always.

If this scene had taken place at the start of the game, one might wonder, but to feel it erases everything that took place until then is precipitous. By then, Cindy would have had sex with Eustice multiple times, and two scenes with the dorm master. In all of those, it was Will who encouraged her. She knows what he likes and can feel free to tease him autonomously. To keep her acting like a puppet, on his command, is imho wasting her teasing potential. There are also a lot of games that treat netorase as a power trip where the MC pimps out (literally or symbolically) his LIs. Not particularly interesting. Others set up a great initial understanding with lots of preparatory conversations and explicit consent, and do blunder spectacularly into the most wicked ntr while advertising nts (BILH). I can understand how a player used to games that went down that route would be put on the defensive. Pure PTSD. I know I have it, which makes me more confident about the fact that CoM gives me no such vibes. Cindy is very loyal and smart, which makes me want her to be the "baddest" girl that she can, for Will - provided that Will measures up, which was my point. I think Will is about to prove he's worth every bit of Cindy's love.

All of these sharing scenes are optional in this game, anyway. Feels really far-fetched to conclude that the story is heading towards cheating or a break-up being the canon, from one sex scene and one other where Cindy just shows how utterly disgusted she is with the noble kids' mediocrity, both of which can be read in plenty of different ways. Ofc, that one read is valid, too, just can't claim it's more factual than others.

I think with that scene what has likely thrown most people with it is you would only think it's going to be a BJ scene and then it has turned into a full blown sex scene when the MC comes back or pays attention to Cindy again ( I can't remember exactly what the MC was doing between the two scenes off the top of my head )

Personally I think the original issue would of been avoided/ or at least not as much backlash if there had of been something in the writing itself where the MC was like you can fuck him if you want or something like that when he originally says to her to have fun at the glory hole

As the dynamic between the two which was confirmed in the latest update is that Cindy is very obedient to the MC and does what ever he says, so her taking it from a BJ to a sex scene with no direction from the MC to do so definitely surprised a few people and I can see why it would have an NTR aspect to it as it does kinda blindside you a bit

My suggestion would be them having a conversation where Cindy is allowed more free reign of what to do when the MC allows her to have fun after he has either given consent to do so / or told her to have fun is likely to be the best way to please all parties to a certain extent

 

[reidanota]

My suggestion would be them having a conversation where Cindy is allowed more free reign of what to do when the MC allows her to have fun

We have a different reading on the story, which is fine. Cindy never struck me as an obedient girl. She's an instigator from the start, whereas Will has been developing more initiative as the game goes on. My point is that if she can act of her own accord and come up with something that Will isn't expecting, but immediately understands as her teasing, challenging, provoking him, she isn't half as good as a character. The formality of acquiring his permission would make her a junior partner and that is, by no means, a requirement to sharing. This isn't a hentai where the dominant MC enjoys serving his LI to friends. I think Will, in all his rustic ways, has a gentlemanly taste for a girlfriend who can surprise him and bring him treats without his asking.

It's interesting to contrast this game with Shadows of Ambition. In SoA, Luke is the one that's leading Alice down the sharing boulevard (although he himself needed to be nudged out of the door); he's more confident and quicker to get a footing amid the turmoil. In CoM, Cindy is the one who first knew what she wanted. Will is dragged on, at first, then he learns to enjoy himself, then he incorporated the new fantasies as his second nature. It'll be interesting to see how he'll finally seize the initiative and claim Cindy.

 

[JEER0X]

It's interesting to contrast this game with Shadows of Ambition. In SoA, Luke is the one that's leading Alice down the sharing boulevard (although he himself needed to be nudged out of the door); he's more confident and quicker to get a footing amid the turmoil. In CoM, Cindy is the one who first knew what she wanted. Will is dragged on, at first, then he learns to enjoy himself, then he incorporated the new fantasies as his second nature. It'll be interesting to see how he'll finally seize the initiative and claim Cindy.

Apples to oranges that game has no choices, i like this game better cause i can chose my own path

 

[reidanota]

Apples to oranges that game has no choices, i like this game better cause i can chose my own path

I'm quite cool with SoA being kinetic because I enjoy every bit of the story. This one could be kinetic, too - take out all the choices that let you avoid sharing Cindy, and I'd still be playing exactly the same sequence I get from my choices. I'm not saying I'm against having choices, just that they're not essential as long I enjoy the author's cut. It can be very relaxing not having to worry about future consequences, either you like the story or you don't, but there's no pause on every choice to possibly read up on spoilers and learn, in advance, what the consequences will be.

 

[Chaoticjustice]

We have a different reading on the story, which is fine. Cindy never struck me as an obedient girl. She's an instigator from the start, whereas Will has been developing more initiative as the game goes on. My point is that if she can act of her own accord and come up with something that Will isn't expecting, but immediately understands as her teasing, challenging, provoking him, she isn't half as good as a character. The formality of acquiring his permission would make her a junior partner and that is, by no means, a requirement to sharing. This isn't a hentai where the dominant MC enjoys serving his LI to friends. I think Will, in all his rustic ways, has a gentlemanly taste for a girlfriend who can surprise him and bring him treats without his asking.

It's interesting to contrast this game with Shadows of Ambition. In SoA, Luke is the one that's leading Alice down the sharing boulevard (although he himself needed to be nudged out of the door); he's more confident and quicker to get a footing amid the turmoil. In CoM, Cindy is the one who first knew what she wanted. Will is dragged on, at first, then he learns to enjoy himself, then he incorporated the new fantasies as his second nature. It'll be interesting to see how he'll finally seize the initiative and claim Cindy.

That's completely fair and everyone is entitled to there own views but it's somewhat hard to say she's not obedient considering there was a whole scene in the new update around how obedient she is to will and how she would do anything that he asks of her

I would say at the start yeah she was the one that took the initiative but personally as it has developed I have seen her obedience develop now not to an extreme where she wouldn't do anything at all including mundane tasks without wills say so but Id definitely say it's there

 

[reidanota]

That's completely fair and everyone is entitled to there own views but it's somewhat hard to say she's not obedient considering there was a whole scene in the new update around how obedient she is to will and how she would do anything that he asks of her

I would say at the start yeah she was the one that took the initiative but personally as it has developed I have seen her obedience develop now not to an extreme where she wouldn't do anything at all including mundane tasks without wills say so but Id definitely say it's there

The last update certainly saw Will having much more initiative, and Cindy playing a more laid back role. But exactly because it's in contrast with how we saw her up until then, I think Steve intended to make Cindy move aside for a while, just long enough to cause us readers to question "but where is Cindy"; "why isn't she calling the shots like she used to"? Then the explicit note about Will and Cindy playing different roles at different places in battle, then Will's "death", and how the foundation that he reached within himself, that caused him to refuse to give in and react in a burst of power, was Cindy. Chapter 10 was a "no Cindy" gap to cause Will to reach out to her. I think every possibility is open right now, but I strongly believe that Will is going to show that the seed of love that Cindy planted in his aloof heart, and nurtured throughout the entire time they were together, is finally blooming into full awareness, and they will at last be equals.

What "worries" me is that this may be a watershed moment that may signal an approaching finale. If Will and Cindy unite and commit to saving the world, their previous leisurely, hedonistic lifestyle will not make sense anymore. But I'm hopeful that it won't be so, and rooting hard for a scenario where, as long as the war lasts, Cindy takes on more power and responsibility and Will comes and goes giving fuck-all to courtly protocol, or to college protocol, including "rescuing" her occasionally from her palatial dwellings to get wasted and whore about in the village, or at pool parties, or any similar scenarios.

I'd even love to see Cindy, in league with Will, entertain one or two hopeful suitors, going as far as to let them fully "sample the goods", just to tell them, afterwards, plain in their faces, that they made for good sport, but she'll never be anyone else, but Will's. Much like Kat does with multiple men in Deliverance, letting them have a good time and believe that she's cheating on the MC for the sake of their good looks and prowess, only to tell them it's all a game she and her husband play as a couple, and they were only the props. Or similar scenarios where the nobles are led to believe they own the privilege to have her, but are put in their place and shown they were merely used. I call it reverse-cuckolding and love it, one of my favourite power fantasies.

 

[Maviarab]

We have a different reading on the story, which is fine.

Obviously isn't as you're intent on dying on your hill.

Saying ok to having fun 'assumes' blowjobs (it's a gloryhole). Fucking someone behind the MC's back with no conversation first...is not ok. The eruption in this thread and the devs subsequent hasty backtrack on this means there is nothing to 'interpret'. This is not about Wendy (was disappointing but I don't really care)...this is about Cindy fucking someone without the MC being aware.

Agree to Cindy sucking some cocks...fine. He never agreed to let Cindy fuck some random at the same time. The two are not comparable. Again, Steve backtracked...and changed it. He knew he what he tried to get away with, and he didn't get away with it. So yes, this is very indicitivive of where Steve 'is thinking' of taking the story, and nothing in the last update (with how she acts to others) dispells those thoughts.

It is what it is, the dev changed it...but it did exist and don't dare try and say 'I saw it differently'. It happened, it shouldn't have, dev changed it (as it should have been in the first place). There's really nothing else to discuss.

 

[JEER0X]

I'd even love to see Cindy, in league with Will, entertain one or two hopeful suitors, going as far as to let them fully "sample the goods", just to tell them, afterwards, plain in their faces, that they made for good sport, but she'll never be anyone else, but Will's. Much like Kat does with multiple men in Deliverance, letting them have a good time and believe that she's cheating on the MC for the sake of their good looks and prowess, only to tell them it's all a game she and her husband play as a couple, and they were only the props. Or similar scenarios where the nobles are led to believe they own the privilege to have her, but are put in their place and shown they were merely used. I call it reverse-cuckolding and love it, one of my favourite power fantasies.

ugh god i hope not that would just suck none of those "Elite" are even worthy of being in the same room. I fully hope Gwen wipes them all from the map

 

[Chaoticjustice]

ugh god i hope not that would just suck none of those "Elite" are even worthy of being in the same room. I fully hope Gwen wipes them all from the map

I don't see it happening after all Cindy has literally just taken to same stand point as lady g where she can't stand the nobles... So I really don't see why she would even entertain the idea of banging them

 

[Eleanorduval]

Obviously isn't as you're intent on dying on your hill.

Saying ok to having fun 'assumes' blowjobs (it's a gloryhole). Fucking someone behind the MC's back with no conversation first...is not ok. The eruption in this thread and the devs subsequent hasty backtrack on this means there is nothing to 'interpret'. This is not about Wendy (was disappointing but I don't really care)...this is about Cindy fucking someone without the MC being aware.

Agree to Cindy sucking some cocks...fine. He never agreed to let Cindy fuck some random at the same time. The two are not comparable. Again, Steve backtracked...and changed it. He knew he what he tried to get away with, and he didn't get away with it. So yes, this is very indicitivive of where Steve 'is thinking' of taking the story, and nothing in the last update (with how she acts to others) dispells those thoughts.

It is what it is, the dev changed it...but it did exist and don't dare try and say 'I saw it differently'. It happened, it shouldn't have, dev changed it (as it should have been in the first place). There's really nothing else to discuss.

straight to the point!

 

[reidanota]

Obviously isn't as you're intent on dying opn your hill.

Saying ok to having fun 'assumes' blowjobs. Fucking someone behind the MC's back with no conversation first...is not ok. The eruption in this thread and the devs subsequent hasty backtrack on this means there is nothing to 'interpret'.

Agree to Cindy sucking some cocks...fine. He never agreed to let Cindy fuck some random at the same time. The two are not comparable. Again, Steve backtracked...and changed it. He knew he what he tried to get away with, and he didn't get away with it. So yes, this is very indicitivive of where Steve 'is thinking' of taking the story, and nothing in the last update (with how she acts dispells those thoughts.

It is what it is, the dev changed it...but it did exist and don't dare try and say 'I saw it differently'. It happened, it shouldn't have, dev changed it (as it should have been in the first place). There's really nothing else to discuss.

I stand by my hill, it's a matter of perspective, and you seem to believe yours is the only valid one. Won't even get into how "didn't get away with it" sounds, like the author is an employee bound by contract to deliver a pre-negotiated story.

ugh god i hope not that would just suck none of those "Elite" are even worthy of being in the same room. I fully hope Gwen wipes them all from the map

I don't see it happening after all Cindy has literally just taken to same stand point as lady g where she can't stand the nobles... So I really don't see why she would even entertain the idea of banging them

Deliverance revealed this fantasy to me, I like stag/vixen dynamics. When the FMC has those guys wrapped around her little finger, the more lust she pulls out of them, the more desperate they become to take her all for themselves, and the more defeated they'll be to find out they were just fuel in the couple's furnace. Meat in the meat grinder. Human dildos in their kinky games. The more I hate cocky bulls, the more I enjoy seeing a guy who thought he was cucking the MC, realising he got seduced and manipulated by the FMC, with the MC's knowledge and approval, and then tossed aside. This would be very much in line with the game's netori arc. It's not about who's the titular spouse of whom, but about who plays, and who gets played.

 

[Eleanorduval]

I stand by my hill, it's a matter of perspective, and you seem to believe yours is the only valid one. Won't even get into how "didn't get away with it" sounds, like the author is an employee bound by contract to deliver a pre-negotiated story.


Deliverance revealed this fantasy to me, I like stag/vixen dynamics. The FMC has those guys wrapped around her little finger, the more lust she pulls out of them, the more desperate they become to take her all for themselves, and the more defeated they'll be to find out they were just fuel in the couple's furnace. Meat in the meat grinder. Human dildos in their kinky games. The more I hate cocky bulls, the more I enjoy seeing a guy who thought he was cucking the MC, realising he got seduced and manipulated by the FMC, with the MC's knowledge and approval, and then tossed aside. This would be very much in line with the game's netori arc. It's not about who's the titular spouse of whom, but about who plays, and who gets played.

sorry my friend I agree with mavi he got a point.

 

[reidanota]

sorry my friend I agree with mavi he got a point.

And you're very welcome to, it's still just an opinion, not factual truth, that's my only point of contention, everything else is just different takes we're allowed to make. There is no template, written in stone, that the author must conform to. Only freedom.

 

[Jack1938]

Dunno why people think that Cindy not being lovey dovey with mc in front of nobles is sign of ntr or her general corruption. Firstly she must get them to respect/obey her. And I doubt that behaving like her usual self would be helpful. Secondly do you really think those nobles would put much thought in mc being her boyfriend? They'll easily arrive to "reasonable" conclusion that she's just ignorant of how superior any nobleman to lowborn mc. And still try to woo her. For them the only true rivals are another nobles while mc is just casual fling that surely won't last regardless of her actions/words.

 

[reidanota]

Dunno why people think that Cindy not being lovey dovey with mc in front of nobles is sign of ntr or her general corruption. Firstly she must get them to respect/obey her. And I doubt that behaving like her usual self would be helpful. Secondly do you really think those nobles would put much thought in mc being her boyfriend? They'll easily arrive to "reasonable" conclusion that she's just ignorant of how superior any nobleman to lowborn mc. And still try to woo her. For them the only true rivals are another nobles while mc is just casual fling that surely won't last regardless of her actions/words.

Exactly, that's why it would be so good when those hopeful nobles were proven wrong. Even more so if Cindy and Will decided to have some fun at their expense. Poor Alfred must now have spent his usefulness as a cuck, unless it's revealed that he liked the experience on the island. Fresh meat is required. Besides Big Chief No Shit, ofc.

 

[joy.stick]

I respect anyone who read it differently than myself, but it isn't a fact that the scene with Cinty in the gloryhole was NTR. To require formal permission before each and every scene is a very limiting take on communication within a couple. There are plenty of good sharing games where trust is implicit and there's no need to file for an authorization before every move. Exciting Games is one that comes to mind. Very importantly to me, they're not the "free pass" type of games, just plain old monogamy with a good deal of trust. There aren't negotiated boundaries, only the understanding that anything one does is thinking of the other, always.

If this scene had taken place at the start of the game, one might wonder, but to feel it erases everything that took place until then is precipitous. By then, Cindy would have had sex with Eustice multiple times, and two scenes with the dorm master. In all of those, it was Will who encouraged her. She knows what he likes and can feel free to tease him autonomously. To keep her acting like a puppet, on his command, is imho wasting her teasing potential. There are also a lot of games that treat netorase as a power trip where the MC pimps out (literally or symbolically) his LIs. Not particularly interesting. Others set up a great initial understanding with lots of preparatory conversations and explicit consent, and do blunder spectacularly into the most wicked ntr while advertising nts (BILH). I can understand how a player used to games that went down that route would be put on the defensive. Pure PTSD. I know I have it, which makes me more confident about the fact that CoM gives me no such vibes. Cindy is very loyal and smart, which makes me want her to be the "baddest" girl that she can, for Will - provided that Will measures up, which was my point. I think Will is about to prove he's worth every bit of Cindy's love.

All of these sharing scenes are optional in this game, anyway. Feels really far-fetched to conclude that the story is heading towards cheating or a break-up being the canon, from one sex scene and one other where Cindy just shows how utterly disgusted she is with the noble kids' mediocrity, both of which can be read in plenty of different ways. Ofc, that one read is valid, too, just can't claim it's more factual than others.

That scene is in the current version? If not remember when/in which version happened?

 

[fuffek]

Obviously isn't as you're intent on dying on your hill.

Saying ok to having fun 'assumes' blowjobs (it's a gloryhole). Fucking someone behind the MC's back with no conversation first...is not ok. The eruption in this thread and the devs subsequent hasty backtrack on this means there is nothing to 'interpret'. This is not about Wendy (was disappointing but I don't really care)...this is about Cindy fucking someone without the MC being aware.

Agree to Cindy sucking some cocks...fine. He never agreed to let Cindy fuck some random at the same time. The two are not comparable. Again, Steve backtracked...and changed it. He knew he what he tried to get away with, and he didn't get away with it. So yes, this is very indicitivive of where Steve 'is thinking' of taking the story, and nothing in the last update (with how she acts to others) dispells those thoughts.

It is what it is, the dev changed it...but it did exist and don't dare try and say 'I saw it differently'. It happened, it shouldn't have, dev changed it (as it should have been in the first place). There's really nothing else to discuss.

Will:"You started without me!"
Cindy:"I couldn't help myself"
Cindy:"How do you like it?"
Will:"I love it, seeing you in your natural state"
Cindy:"I'm a dirty little whore"

Bruh, the agreement from Will wasn't before the action but it was after in the dialog
It was supposed to be a spontaneus surprise and the dev decided in HIS STORY that Will is FINE WITH IT so why people self insert their own view on the thing like they are the ones deciding what Will thinks and how he see stuff Cindy is doing in Steve's own game/story ?

Holy crap, some people really need some reality check and stop taking fantasy fictional games/stories so seriously
Giving a suggestion for some change (because your own personal taste is different) is one thing but shiting and demanding is quite creazy in my opinion when you don't own it and get it from pirate site (even if you are supporting it on patreon you still don't own it)

 

[JEER0X]

seems everyone keeps forgetting how Cindy herself stated she wouldn't do anything without Will's say, so that scene was out of character for her, its been fixed to keep with the flow of the story and characters. why he put it in to begin with is unknown maybe the dev was seeing how people would react or maybe he decided he wants another predictable NTR story who really knows.

Everyone knows NTR on these forums cause massive fights between those who love it and those who don't, the Dev put choices in his game instead of making it a kinetic novel, so to suddenly have her break character and decide what she did didn't sit right with some of the fans hence it was changed to a choice, if YOU want her to get fucked then chose that option it's in the game