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jadepaladin

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No, it's not a fair comparison and no we can't agree on this. Characters, especially close family to the main protagonist, are not objects to be discarded after use.

Chekov's gun doesn't account for simple things like worldbuilding. Take any book ever giving a description of a scene, describing how a building looks for example, or the flowers in some garden. The appearance of the building or those flowers serve absolutely no purpose or "use" in the plot. Yet nearly every book ever published has such descriptions. It's called worldbuilding. And characters absolutely can exist without having plot relevance. It's called character building. Giving the protagonist friends and family helps to flesh out the main character as a whole, they don't need to be relevant to the plot at all.
You keep this up and I'm gonna end up running out of reactions. Stop making so much sense. :ROFLMAO:
 

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I really should have seen that cliffhanger coming, and when it happened I was so enraged it ended right there. While it great to confirm Amy's pregnancy (Yay!), I thought it should have taken a backseat to telling Nael about Ren's machinations... from her subverting the pact and ignoring the bond to her obsession with Clara.

Also, I know it's not his fault, but did we really need to see the MC bang Noel and later Arsa instead of actually doing something useful and stopping the war? Frankly Emma could have waited until AFTER everything was settled and Clara & Claire were safe. It also kind of bothered me how the strategist Claire who usually prides herself on planning several moves ahead, allowed Ren to completely blindside and betray her.
 

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I don't know... the game is good but we're always 28 steps behind everyone else, lol...


Like, why not just kill Unus from the beginning and defend Clara?
Ren trying to manipulate her and the MC pushing the fuck it button with pleasure.

With the power he currently has, all he had to do was... finish off these two threats, quickly and easily.

Anyway, wait and see what happens.
 

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I really should have seen that cliffhanger coming, and when it happened I was so enraged it ended right there. While it great to confirm Amy's pregnancy (Yay!), I thought it should have taken a backseat to telling Nael about Ren's machinations... from her subverting the pact and ignoring the bond to her obsession with Clara.

Also, I know it's not his fault, but did we really need to see the MC bang Noel and later Arsa instead of actually doing something useful and stopping the war? Frankly Emma could have waited until AFTER everything was settled and Clara & Claire were safe. It also kind of bothered me how the strategist Claire who usually prides herself on planning several moves ahead, allowed Ren to completely blindside and betray her.
Brother, the reason you got a bit "stressed" about this is the same as mine... the MC's choices in this update didn't make any sense.

For me the worst part is not having ended Ren from the beginning when she tried to manipulate Clara...
But it's easy to understand that Dev just wants us to accept that Ren is going to be Clara's companion.
 

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It’s actually surprising that Ren has been allowed to subjugate humans. Sam, Nael or whomever was supposed to enforce the pact really sucks at doing their job.
Is she doing anything wrong? The people who take up her sword do so knowing full well what will happen to them. She can't force anyone to take the sword. Those that do are knowingly choosing their servitude. Clara is a perfect example of that. Ren couldn't force Clara to take that sword. She had to do it of her own free will.

Ren is still bound to the pact so there isn't much reason for Nael to get involved. She probably doesn't really care if Ren is following the rules anyway. Like Noel said, it would be far more interesting to see what Tessah thinks of what Ren is doing. The self grandizing rule follower that is Tessah would likely reset Ren to factory settings.
 

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She can't force anyone to take the sword.
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Ren can and does take sword slaves by force. It's her usual tactic actually. Clara is an exception for some reason.

She actually does try to force Clara but fails because of Edas protection and being spread so thin controlling other sword slaves. Plus as we see in episode 11 there's something special about Clara which might make her more useful to Ren if she submits willingly.

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Ren can and does take sword slaves by force. It's her usual tactic actually. Clara is an exception for some reason.
I stand corrected. I forgot about that statement from Eda. I just assume that everything Ren says is a lie so I ingored her threat to take Clara by force haha. After all, we have seen two companions now fall to Ren and both of them made the choice to take the sword. I wonder if posession is some type of special ability that only she has or if it is due to her weird relationship with the pact?
 
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Daermon420

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I stand corrected. I forgot about that statement from Eda. I just assume that everything Ren says is a lie so I ingored her threat to take Clara by force haha. After all, we have seen two companions now fall to Ren and both of them made the choice to take the sword. I wonder if posession is some type of special ability that only she has or if it is due to her weird relationship with the pact?
My guess is her sword slave is more powerful if they submit willingly. Perhaps if the person she's controlling isn't willing they resist her, making Ren spend some effort subduing their mind, giving her less power/control over the slave. But if they don't submit she can and does force the matter apparently.
 
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I don't know... the game is good but we're always 28 steps behind everyone else, lol...


Like, why not just kill Unus from the beginning and defend Clara?hehe
Ren trying to manipulate her and the MC pushing the fuck it button with pleasure.

With the power he currently has, all he had to do was... finish off these two threats, quickly and easily.

Anyway, wait and see what happens.
Hehe if all in the stories were easy to get and all antagonists/villains were dumb as a rocks (sometimes they are but the "hero's" are also lol) there was no point to have a story and a bit of drama right? It is what makes a good narrative, to make you feel those emotions as long they aren't overwhelming or over stressful of course. We are all here to have fun after all even if it makes us feel a bit uneasy at times.
 
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It’s actually surprising that Ren has been allowed to subjugate humans. Sam, Nael or whomever was supposed to enforce the pact really sucks at doing their job.
Ironically enough, if Tessah had known about it, I'm sure she would have raised hell about it. Instead, Ren being a lesbian and deciding she wanted fanatically loyal female slaves and act like she was a goddess on par with Nael, was more important than making sure the weakest primordial (until Amy) didn't have to follow the rules.
 

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Is she doing anything wrong? The people who take up her sword do so knowing full well what will happen to them. She can't force anyone to take the sword. Those that do are knowingly choosing their servitude. Clara is a perfect example of that. Ren couldn't force Clara to take that sword. She had to do it of her own free will.

Ren is still bound to the pact so there isn't much reason for Nael to get involved. She probably doesn't really care if Ren is following the rules anyway. Like Noel said, it would be far more interesting to see what Tessah thinks of what Ren is doing. The self grandizing rule follower that is Tessah would likely reset Ren to factory settings.
Ren is actually going against the spirit of the pact if not the pact itself. She is able to get around it despite formerly being the weakest primordial and is able to feed using her swords as teeth in addition to the emotions she causes. The only one not obligated to have a companion is Nael for obvious reasons, but because Nael doesn't care, Ren has been able to get away with it. If Tessah hates Arsa because of her chaotic personality, she will definitely not like the idea of Ren refusing a companion and essentially setting herself up as a goddess who doesn't have to serve a human.
 

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Even though I disliked Ren a little before this last episode, now I really take him to the limit, definitely once he saves Clara the MC must destroy her slowly and painfully, the lesbian bitch of Ren must suffer, just as Claire and Clara did.

Changed to something more pleasant, Sofia although a liar, was a great fuck to watch, I hope that both she and the blonde prostitute and the other secondary women appear again for more hot moments.

As an additional note, Jacky with the glasses looks so fucking sexy, that if it were up to me I would have ripped her clothes off and fucked her immediately to get rid of that slut facade.


Berkili4 I don't know if I've asked this before, but here it goes: Will there be another chance to have a relationship with Emma, if I choose not to accept female domination from her?
 
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Comparing Gab to Chekhov's gun is a fair comparison. Gabe and all other elements in the story need to have a reason to be there. Gabe like every other character will have to either serve the narrative or be written out. I am sure we can agree on that. Prehaps you are right and he just serves as a moral guide to the MC and that is fine with me, not that the author needs my approval haha.

As for the possibility that Noel and Gabe had some type of intimate relationship, you are abosolutely right that it is speculation. However, there is just as much evidence that they didn't have a relationship as there is that they did, which is none. Like I have said several times, we just don't know what was happening before the MC came into the picture. I posted that picture because it is the only evidence in the entire storyline that may give some insight into how Noel views Gabe. After all, in that moment, she believes the MC is Gabe. Riddle me this, if Noel wasn't bound to Gabe before she was attacked by Arsa, why would she immediately bond to a person she thought was Gabe? If her and Gabe were never bound to one another, why start now?

All that being said, I do hope that we get a bit of background on Noel. I have long wondered exactly what she was up to before she met the MC. Did she just follow Nael around everywhere? Did she bond to other people? Did she bond to gabe? Even if she did just follow Nael around, what on earth did they get into for all that time? I think it would be pretty interesting to know a bit more.
Noel couldn't have been bound to gabe because neither of them died to allow them to be unbound. Also if she thought MC was gabe, why would she try to "re-bound"(rebind?) to him? Thinking she and gabe were bound just doesn't fit anyway you slice it.
 
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Noel couldn't have been bound to gabe because neither of them died to allow them to be unbound. Also if she thought MC was gabe, why would she try to "re-bound"(rebind?) to him? Thinking she and gabe were bound just doesn't fit anyway you slice it.
Because powerful dark ones are capible of harming the bond between companion and dark one. I will post all the proof for what I am saying at the end of this post. When Arsa hit Noel, she was in her true form which is more powerful than her human form. It is possible that Arsa severely damaged the bond between Gabe and Noel. As far as dying, Gabe still had Nael's regeneration at that point so I am not sure if he would have died from the breaking of a bond. He is supposed to be a rule breaker too after all so who knows how that works. As far as the Noel bonding with the MC, she 100% believed she was making the bond with Gabe in the alley. Why would Noel attempt to bond with Gabe out of the blue at that point if she had never been bound to him before? I have absolutely no doubt that Noel was bound to Gabe. Now, the specific nature of their relationship is up for debate because there is just too little evidence to know for sure. At least, I haven't been able to find anyting other than that one interaction between the MC and Noel when she believed the MC was Gabe.

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After completing the chapter 11, i developed some theories about the next contents:
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Those are the theories. If someone would like to reply this post, remember to set the spoiler tag, in order to not spoil anything to the other players that have not completed yet this last update.

Until then, good game all.
 
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I'm having an issue where the update immediately gives me an error screen and says that I haven't completed chapter 9 when I have a save file that has loaded.
 

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Dev think it is more straightforward to finish ch9 until the titles with Emma, where appears explicit note in dialog textbox that saves transfer has been completed, and then you just start a new game in ch10.

Yes, there is no loading saves between seasons. So go for Emma_after_Plane in ch 9, and then start new game in ch10 if you want to continue. Or search this thread for s2 save and edit it. Also there is no roundabouts, you need to to do this at least once if you want to play second season ever. I wonder why dev do not made a default placeholder, with choices dev considers critically important, even if he do not want them ask from player and set, in order to easy start second season without playing first, but it is how things are here. He did whole Nael restarting world scene tho...

Any way, TL,DR:

go for Emma in ch9, then start new game in ch10
 
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Because powerful dark ones are capible of harming the bond between companion and dark one. I will post all the proof for what I am saying at the end of this post. When Arsa hit Noel, she was in her true form which is more powerful than her human form. It is possible that Arsa severely damaged the bond between Gabe and Noel. As far as dying, Gabe still had Nael's regeneration at that point so I am not sure if he would have died from the breaking of a bond. He is supposed to be a rule breaker too after all so who knows how that works. As far as the Noel bonding with the MC, she 100% believed she was making the bond with Gabe in the alley. Why would Noel attempt to bond with Gabe out of the blue at that point if she had never been bound to him before? I have absolutely no doubt that Noel was bound to Gabe. Now, the specific nature of their relationship is up for debate because there is just too little evidence to know for sure. At least, I haven't been able to find anyting other than that one interaction between the MC and Noel when she believed the MC was Gabe.

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The Developer has confirmed in his discord that Noel was never bonded to Gab. Also goes on to say Nael would never allow Noel to bond with anyone because she is so possessive, Which they say in game after a certain battle. Noel was not and has not been bonded ever, Nael feeds her her power. this got asked in 2023 on november 4th if you wanna join the discord and look.
 
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