VN Ren'Py Companion of Darkness [S2 Ch.11] [Berkili4]

[Krytax123]

Yeah I was thinking that too because noway Nael would leave anything left if Gab didn't survive, but still I wanted to know what she was going to do then and not wait wanted to see her tantrum

Im already wondering about that too. Gabriel told the guy who tortured him that all this pain and suffering will be nothing compared to whats coming for this guy and i dont think he was bluffing or even trying to threaten him.

It was more like a simple matter of fact that he is pretty aware of the terrors this guy will have to endure when Nael becomes aware of what happened.

Im really kinda curious how Nael will do that and im kinda glad its not the mc doing it as the guy would die too fast, nael has the means and dedication for a long game of pain and torture as a payback

 

[Gamer9999]

I'm still not convinced Gabe is going to make it. A huge part of Nael's character development up to this point has centered around her learning to care for beings other than Gabe and Noel. The ultimate test of that character development is being okay without Gabe and her sister. I'm not saying that it's definitely going to happen, I'm just saying Gabe's death would bring serious depth to several characters, the MC included.

 

[Krytax123]

I'm still not convinced Gabe is going to make it. A huge part of Nael's character development up to this point has centered around her learning to care for beings other than Gabe and Noel. The ultimate test of that character development is being okay without Gabe and her sister. I'm not saying that it's definitely going to happen, I'm just saying Gabe's death would bring serious depth to several characters, the MC included.

Nah.

Nothing at all pointed towards that. Nael even locks herself up because she KNOWS that she wont be able to hold back if something happens to gab. And than something happens and she breaks her own chains because she just cant let it happen.

Nael furthermore doesnt have to "learn to care for other beings", shes eternal and forces herself to not care too much for other beings as its required by her role. Her careing to much leads to problems (see gabriel), she isnt supposed to fiddle with the lifes of the mortals anymore.

She has to make the hard decisions like making dark ones infertile. Is it humane and morally right from our pov? No. But its the right decision from a ominpotent pov knowing there would be unlimited dark ones already otherwise and humanity probably extinct.

Youre a bit blinded by Noel's perception of Nael lately but Nael is playing Noel from all sides, Noel doesnt comprehend Nael yet but to be fair shes handicapped by the bond.

I feel like thats wishful thinking from your part because you want nael as a LI

 

[Gamer9999]

Nah.

Nothing at all pointed towards that. Nael even locks herself up because she KNOWS that she wont be able to hold back if something happens to gab. And than something happens and she breaks her own chains because she just cant let it happen.

I feel like thats wishful thinking from your part because you want nael as a LI

I will be the first to admit that I would personally like for Nael to be a LI. I like her because she is like a sour patch candy, sour on the outside and sweet on the inside. So, I am probably am a bit biased for that reason alone. However, putting that aside, think about really good stories you've read be they AVN or not. Great villians, struggles, sadness, tension, and the will to overcome can all be direct biproducts of bad things happening to characters that the audience has come to care about. What makes a great villian, for example, is the writers making you really care for a character and then having the villian do something horrible to them. Mediocre villians are just generic bad guys who do horrible things, but they do those things to people the audience doesn't know or care about. That's thy we all despise the Legion's goons right now, because they are hurting Gabe, a character everyone universally likes. Do you not think it would add a lot of depth to the story if Gabe did die at some point?

 

[Krytax123]

I will be the first to admit that I would personally like for Nael to be a LI. I like her because she is like a sour patch candy, sour on the outside and sweet on the inside. So, I am probably am a bit biased for that reason alone. However, putting that aside, think about really good stories you've read be they AVN or not. Great villians, struggles, sadness, tension, and the will to overcome can all be direct biproducts of bad things happening to characters that the audience has come to care about. What makes a great villian, for example, is the writers making you really care for a character and then having the villian do something horrible to them. Mediocre villians are just generic bad guys who do horrible things, but they do those things to people the audience doesn't know or care about. That's thy we all despise the Legion's goons right now, because they are hurting Gabe, a character everyone universally likes. Do you not think it would add a lot of depth to the story if Gabe did die at some point?

Nah on the contrary i think it would make the story shallow and less unique, all amazing girls swarming is already what we have in any other harem avn and Nael falling in love with mc after gabriel died would imo(!) entirely eradicate her whole character and turn her into an unlikeable shit LI.

I would love her as a LI too but imo we need a gabriel avn for that

And Nael is WAY TOO op to ever bond with the MC, it was already problematic how ridiciously op gabriel was but that got cleaned up by now,

So no i cant agree, imo it would only cheapen the story and nael's character

 

[Gamer9999]

Nah on the contrary i think it would make the story shallow and less unique, all amazing girls swarming is already what we have in any other harem avn and Nael falling in love with mc after gabriel died would imo(!) entirely eradicate her whole character and turn her into an unlikeable shit LI.

I would love her as a LI too but imo we need a gabriel avn for that

And Nael is WAY TOO op to ever bond with the MC, it was already problematic how ridiciously op gabriel was but that got cleaned up by now,

So no i cant agree, imo it would only cheapen the story and nael's character

We will just have to agree to disagree then lol. I am curious though, what do you think Nael's character development is in the story if it's not learning to care for others? Noel is overcoming the feeling of not measuring up to her sister. Clara I'm almost positive will be forced to overcome her own insecurity and shyness without Eda's help because of whats happening with Ren. Emma has to overcome her fear of imperfection. The MC, Gabe, Arsa, and Eda have to deal with their past and the nature of the bond. Amy has to deal with her own death, loss of memories, and eventually the death of everyone that she will out live. Blake has to deal with her loyality issues. Cia will have to overcome her feelings of being lesser than Noel and Amy (I personally hope she ascends and becomes a Primordial). I personally would just find it odd if Nael is the only main character who has no flaw to overcome.

 

[Youtiy]

We will just have to agree to disagree then lol. I am curious though, what do you think Nael's character development is in the story if it's not learning to care for others? Noel is overcoming the feeling of not measuring up to her sister. Clara I'm almost positive will be forced to overcome her own insecurity and shyness without Eda's help because of whats happening with Ren. Emma has to overcome her fear of imperfection. The MC, Gabe, Arsa, and Eda have to deal with their past and the nature of the bond. Amy has to deal with her own death, loss of memories, and eventually the death of everyone that she will out live. Blake has to deal with her loyality issues. Cia will have to overcome her feelings of being lesser than Noel and Amy (I personally hope she ascends and becomes a Primordial). I personally would just find it odd if Nael is the only main character who has no flaw to overcome.

Nael has plenty of flaws, she just doesn't care about them unless Gab points them out and even then is usually hesitant to do anything about them. As we've seen during the whole

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[ShatteredEnigma616]

*Epilepsy warning* "Hey doc? It cool if i play this porn game?" lol he says its cool

 

[Gamer9999]

Nael has plenty of flaws, she just doesn't care about them unless Gab points them out and even then is usually hesitant to do anything about them. As we've seen during the whole

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Agreed. I personally believe that is Nael's biggest flaw, the fact she cares about nothing and no one except Gabe and Noel. It's ironic when you really think about it. Nael can't stand Arsa but they are actually two sides of the same coin. Both their behavor and personality is rooted in the fact that they don't care. Nael is a god above everyone else so she is indifferent for that reason. Arsa knows that anything and anyone she comes to care for will be ripped away from her because of the bond, so why care at all.

 

[Krytax123]

We will just have to agree to disagree then lol. I am curious though, what do you think Nael's character development is in the story if it's not learning to care for others? Noel is overcoming the feeling of not measuring up to her sister. Clara I'm almost positive will be forced to overcome her own insecurity and shyness without Eda's help because of whats happening with Ren. Emma has to overcome her fear of imperfection. The MC, Gabe, Arsa, and Eda have to deal with their past and the nature of the bond. Amy has to deal with her own death, loss of memories, and eventually the death of everyone that she will out live. Blake has to deal with her loyality issues. Cia will have to overcome her feelings of being lesser than Noel and Amy (I personally hope she ascends and becomes a Primordial). I personally would just find it odd if Nael is the only main character who has no flaw to overcome.

Nael is above all of that, we are talking about a entity which just has to snap her finger and the universe stops existing. She trancended all this stuff a long time ago already and experienced everything possible already in her life.

She lived already when her race, the dark ones, were the ruling species of the planet, her life is so incomprehensible long and everything about the dark ones - human relation is by her design.

Her being too involved in the normal parts of the story und unrestricted would simply egalize every problem (similar how it was when she was bonded to gab) way to heavily and would eradicate the scales of this avn as MC would immediatly overpower everyone else. Zeno wouldnt even be worth a simple thought anymore, every other primordial wouldnt be a problem anymore.

Dia, Ren or Tessah making troubles? Nael snaps and they fall in line, if they dont they get eradicated every 10000 years. Any other wardens? Eradicated.

Nael development comes form transcending this world - something she postponed so far and tricked the other divine beings into into thinking shes less powerful than she really is.

She has to learn to accept her new place and that she isnt supposed to meddle with the mortals anymore and i suspect shes only ready to do that when she considers Noel ready as her successor.

Nael has plenty of flaws, she just doesn't care about them unless Gab points them out and even then is usually hesitant to do anything about them. As we've seen during the whole

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You realized that the whole "finding Noel Arc" (minus amy death and pregnancy) was designed by Nael like that? Everything since the first meeting of MC and Noel was designe by Nael. It was all a big play to get Nael and the MC to the point where they are now.

Her flaws are very relative in comparision to her being and a lot of things we seem to know about her turn out entirely wrong like for example her being "blind" while shes just like that because she decided to be like that. And there are reasons why she does that.

 

[Youtiy]

You realized that the whole "finding Noel Arc" (minus amy death and pregnancy) was designed by Nael like that? Everything since the first meeting of MC and Noel was designe by Nael. It was all a big play to get Nael and the MC to the point where they are now.

Her flaws are very relative in comparision to her being and a lot of things we seem to know about her turn out entirely wrong like for example her being "blind" while shes just like that because she decided to be like that. And there are reasons why she does that.

I feel your placing way to much faith in a handful of lines we either saw right at the end of this chapter or a few other points in the story. I'll start with Nael's perception, I really don't think your right about that at all, Nael is by her own statement, by Noel's statement, by Gab's statement really bad at perceiving things. The problem is that people see what Nael did at the end of the chapter and immediately take it as "Oh guess she's just pretending to be blind", realistically though I think this is a very uninformed or rather rushed perspective. It's infinitely easier to focus on one specific thing if you know what your looking for than to take a wide view to try to find something without any prior information on it, Nael being able to view Gab's surroundings isn't really that far fetched nor is it any form of supernatural sense, let's not forget her hearing and eyesight are way better than a human's, it's really not that hard to believe that she could pick up on sounds we simply couldn't hear from the call.

All in all I feel your making a lot of presumptions based on very little evidence, I won't deny that she clearly has some plan for the MC and Noel but I also feel it's much to soon to make estimates on it.

What I will say though is I don't think that Nael and the MC will form any sort of bond or the like, something would have to seriously change in the story for that to happen and in all honesty I can't say I'd like such a change. Would feel like we're cucking Gab and that's just mean bro, Gab doesn't deserve that.

 

[Krytax123]

I feel your placing way to much faith in a handful of lines we either saw right at the end of this chapter or a few other points in the story. I'll start with Nael's perception, I really don't think your right about that at all, Nael is by her own statement, by Noel's statement, by Gab's statement really bad at perceiving things. The problem is that people see what Nael did at the end of the chapter and immediately take it as "Oh guess she's just pretending to be blind", realistically though I think this is a very uninformed or rather rushed perspective. It's infinitely easier to focus on one specific thing if you know what your looking for than to take a wide view to try to find something without any prior information on it, Nael being able to view Gab's surroundings isn't really that far fetched nor is it any form of supernatural sense, let's not forget her hearing and eyesight are way better than a human's, it's really not that hard to believe that she could pick up on sounds we simply couldn't hear from the call.

All in all I feel your making a lot of presumptions based on very little evidence, I won't deny that she clearly has some plan for the MC and Noel but I also feel it's much to soon to make estimates on it.

What I will say though is I don't think that Nael and the MC will form any sort of bond or the like, something would have to seriously change in the story for that to happen and in all honesty I can't say I'd like such a change. Would feel like we're cucking Gab and that's just mean bro, Gab doesn't deserve that.

Bro its literally said "Nael does something she usually hates, she focusses her senses" and afterwards gets all the information she needs, it couldnt be more obvious. She is bad at it, because she is restricting herself, as anything else would probably be annoying/overwhelming anyway.

Hearing and eyesight belong to "perception" by the way.

But it will be shown at the start of the next chapter anyway

 

[Gamer9999]

Bro its literally said "Nael does something she usually hates, she focusses her senses" and afterwards gets all the information she needs, it couldnt be more obvious. She is bad at it, because she is restricting herself, as anything else would probably be annoying/overwhelming anyway.

Hearing and eyesight belong to "perception" by the way.

But it will be shown at the start of the next chapter anyway

I think about it like this, You are infinitely more powerful than an ant. With the smallest thought you can destroy the very small ant. While that is true, it can be exceedingly difficult to detect an ant when it crawls on the outside of your shirt. The ant is too insignificant for you to even detect. If you really focus you could detect limmited information about the ant like the fact it exists, but you will never be able to know everything about it. The ant is simply too small. The same could very well be true of how Nael detects humans. You are correct about finding out for sure in the next few chapters and I am very excited for the coming chapters!

 

[Daermon420]

I think taking anything Nael has told people about her abilities, including her perception, at face value is a bit naive. It's been confirmed that she outright lied about her powers and hid what she is actually capable of to basically everyone until she got caught doing things she wasn't supposed to be able to do. She's an unreliable source based on that alone.

 

[Daermon420]

I think about it like this, You are infinitely more powerful than an ant. With the smallest thought you can destroy the very small ant. While that is true, it can be exceedingly difficult to detect an ant when it crawls on the outside of your shirt. The ant is too insignificant for you to even detect. If you really focus you could detect limmited information about the ant like the fact it exists, but you will never be able to know everything about it. The ant is simply too small. The same could very well be true of how Nael detects humans. You are correct about finding out for sure in the next few chapters and I am very excited for the coming chapters!

Many think Nael is some cold, emotionless monster but that's dis-proven based on her interactions with Gabe, Noel and the MC. So we know she has a heart, she feels things. She's also been trying to hide the full extent of her power for a very long time, probably knowing there are others out there with similar godlike powers who'd interfere or shackle her in some way. Or perhaps overuse of her powers could endanger the world itself. I believe she deliberately dampens her own senses to avoid temptations to use her powers in ways she isn't supposed to be able to, or that could be dangerous. Can't be tempted to help someone or go into a rage about someone doing something horrific when you keep yourself blind to those things happening.

 

[Gamer9999]

I think taking anything Nael has told people about her abilities, including her perception, at face value is a bit naive. It's been confirmed that she outright lied about her powers and hid what she is actually capable of to basically everyone until she got caught doing things she wasn't supposed to be able to do. She's an unreliable source based on that alone.

I'm not naive to the possibility she could be unreliabile. It's certaintly possible. If she is hiding her abilities, she has had to do so consistantly since the creation of the pact and the creation of Noel. It seems like every dark one believes her preception is poor, Noel and Eda included. Noel said all of her memories were returned to her after she became ferel and still Noel still believes her sisters preception is poor. That means Nael has been pretending since Noel was created and never once gave Noel reason to believe she was faking it. If she is lying, it also appears she is lying to Gabe as well. Gabe certaintly seems to believe her preception is poor. I'll say this. if she is just pretending, she is playing an impressivly long and consistant game. She is so devoted to the con that she even makes the MC take the pearl right next to Amy before she will read Amy's thoughts. Thats what I call consistant dedication if she is lying.

 

[Daermon420]

if she is just pretending, she is playing an impressivly long and consistant game.

She's an immortal being who's said I believe on multiple occasions that 10,000 years is nothing to her. Not really that difficult to keep up a lie for a long time when time means basically nothing to you.

Also we know she's capable of keeping up a lie for a very long time simply based on the fact that she did keep the true extent of her powers hidden from the other godlike beings out there for as long as she did.

 

[Gamer9999]

She's an immortal being who's said I believe on multiple occasions that 10,000 years is nothing to her. Not really that difficult to keep up a lie for a long time when time means basically nothing to you.

It's not necessairly about the amount of time, but instead the fact she likely spent 100% of that time with her sister who can't remember even a single instance in a practically infinite number of years that would suggest Nael is lying. It's like any relationship you have, the longer you spend with others, the more difficult it would be to keep up a lie, especially a fundimental lie about who you are. It would be like you lying to your significant other about liking her cooking. Eventually that lie is coming to light regardless of how bad you don't want it to. That is why I said it's exceedingly impressive if she is doing that. It would take alot of dedication and consistancy on her part to fool everyone for that long.

 

[Youtiy]

If we're being completely realistic the amount of time she's existed for actually works against the idea of her keeping a secret like that. Any being no matter how perfect will slip up at some point in time, since Noel has been by her side for so long she would have without a doubt seen something that at the very least hinted at it being a lie. It is simply not feasible to keep secrets for that long.

 

[Daermon420]

It's established that the bond is capable of selectively wiping memories. Also that on the power scale of things, the bond is weak compared to Nael, so weak it couldn't affect her even if she wanted it to. So it stands to reason that even if Noel or any other dark one did happen to notice something suspicious about her she could simply wipe that memory from their mind. Probably wouldn't be difficult at all for her to do.

Because the fact is she did keep secrets from all the others about her powers for a very long time. That's the point of a good chunk of Naels story arc. Everyone finding out she's WAY more powerful than she led them to believe.