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About immortal kids. Which will cause some disruptions in our world, if Neal allow them to appear free, without some conditions first. So, while Amy is allowed to give a birth (in Naels realm, mind you), for Noel and other DarkOnes it is more complicated. Need to consider seriously what it is entails and, probably, be willing to leave Earth and move into Nael realm forever, to give space to kids. Or something like that. And as Nael prohibited this theme to discuss further without her present, Noel cant talk about it.

Or whole pact system need to be overhauled to contain kids in our realm. Or ways to kill DarkOnes, perhaps by consuming completely. Or force all kids being males, and just mortal humans. Just to keep balance and not to fuckup Earth.

So. In short. Context is obvious. It is about kids, and complications with some of them being immortal.
 
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When can we let the MC brother die? It was such a happy occasion to make him nearly gone. Nael should be the MC dark one too, along with Noel and the rest. Hopefully, we can let him die or kill him off at some point.
That will never happen (thank God). If you played the "bad endings" you'll know. Nael wipes out the entire universe and rebuild it in the endings where Gab dies.
 

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I like Nael but don't really get the fixation some seem to have on the MC taking her as his own.

From a story standpoint it'd make things incredibly dull because suddenly nothing would be able to give him a challenge in a fight.

And if it's just thirst to bang her, we've got Noel, who looks almost identical except for her hair color.

To go so far as to want Gab dead just to have her seems really weird to me. Gab has been a damn good brother to MC in this game. He's not annoying, overbearing, controlling or actively trying to NTR you like I've seen from the older brothers in some other AVNs.
 

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I like Nael but don't really get the fixation some seem to have on the MC taking her as his own.

From a story standpoint it'd make things incredibly dull because suddenly nothing would be able to give him a challenge in a fight.

And if it's just thirst to bang her, we've got Noel, who looks almost identical except for her hair color.

To go so far as to want Gab dead just to have her seems really weird to me. Gab has been a damn good brother to MC in this game. He's not annoying, overbearing, controlling or actively trying to NTR you like I've seen from the older brothers in some other AVNs.
I never understood the infatuation with killing off Gab to try to get Nael either. Nael will just reset the universe if she loses Gab. To me, it's heading more towards a changing of the guard, with Noel replacing Nael and MC replacing Gab and all of this is just building them to that point.
 

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I like Nael but don't really get the fixation some seem to have on the MC taking her as his own.

From a story standpoint it'd make things incredibly dull because suddenly nothing would be able to give him a challenge in a fight.

And if it's just thirst to bang her, we've got Noel, who looks almost identical except for her hair color.

To go so far as to want Gab dead just to have her seems really weird to me. Gab has been a damn good brother to MC in this game. He's not annoying, overbearing, controlling or actively trying to NTR you like I've seen from the older brothers in some other AVNs.
Did he not? Noel was bound to him before that whole thing with Arsa. We really don't know what the relationship between Noel and Gabe was before the MC and Noel were bound to one another. To me, turnabout is fair play. If Gabe and Noel can possibly have a relationship before the MC comes into the picture, there is absolutely no reason that the MC and Nael shouldn't be able to have a relationship if something does happen to Gabe. I get that everyone really likes Gabe, I actually really like him too. He is a really cool character and he deserves his popularity. However, what is his purpose going forward? How does he add to the story now? He was there to protect the MC as he was gaining power but the MC doesn't really need that anymore. He also was a bit of a comic relief but Arsa fills that role well so he isn't really necessary for that either. Regardless of if the MC and Nael bond if something did happen, would it really be better for Gabe to be basically sidelined for the rest of the story because he serves no purpose or would it be better to use the character to give the story some depth?
 
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Did he not? Noel was bound to him before that whole thing with Arsa. We really don't know what the relationship between Noel and Gabe was before the MC and Noel were bound to one another. To me, turnabout is fair play. If Gabe and Noel can possibly have a relationship before the MC comes into the picture, there is absolutely no reason that the MC and Nael shouldn't be able to have a relationship if something does happen to Gabe. I get that everyone really likes Gabe, I actually really like him too. He is a really cool character and he deserves his popularity. However, what is his purpose going forward? How does he add to the story now? He was there to protect the MC as he was gaining power but the MC doesn't really need that anymore. He also was a bit of a comic relief but Arsa fills that role well so he isn't really necessary for that either. Regardless of if the MC and Nael bond if something did happen, would it really be better for Gabe to be basically sidelined for the rest of the story because he serves no purpose or would it be better to use the character to give the story some depth?
Noel wasn't bound to Gab, though. She didn't have a companion, instead Nael was supplying her with energy.
If she was bound to him, she couldn't have become MC's dark one in the first place.
 

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Did he not? Noel was bound to him before that whole thing with Arsa. We really don't know what the relationship between Noel and Gabe was before the MC and Noel were bound to one another. To me, turnabout is fair play. If Gabe and Noel can possibly have a relationship before the MC comes into the picture, there is absolutely no reason that the MC and Nael shouldn't be able to have a relationship if something does happen to Gabe.
Did he not what? I'm unsure what you're implying here. Noel was not bound to Gab, as poster above points out, not that it'd matter. Turnabout for what?. Gab and Noel in a relationship? What the hell are you smoking man, I want some.

Are you implying that the possibility of Gab and Noel hooking up before you even met her means he NTR'd the MC? If so, I don't think you have a damn clue what NTR is. If your girlfriend had a boyfriend before you met her, and they had sex, that's not cheating on you dude.

Though even that line of thought is silly because there's absolutely no proof or even hints that Noel and Gab had any kind of sexual relationship. Given how ultra protective Nael is of Noel, I highly doubt she'd have allowed anything like that to happen under her direct supervision.

However, what is his purpose going forward? How does he add to the story now? He was there to protect the MC as he was gaining power but the MC doesn't really need that anymore.
I bet you're a real blast at family reunions. "Hey brother, I'm stronger than you now, you're useless!" looks at brothers wife, starts to drool a little "You serve no purpose now." pulls out a gun, shoots his brother and starts to dry hump his brothers widow before the police arrive to arrest him.

Here's a hint. Family doesn't have to have a "use" either in real life or in fiction. They can just, you know, exist. And even if he's weaker physically than the MC Gab has years of experience on him. If you're looking for a story use for the guy, he'd make a great advisor. One with a functioning moral compass, unlike Claire. Not all support has to be directly physical. If Berkili wants to kill Gab off, that's fine and I'm along for the ride whatever happens. But I'd argue he doesn't need to. So what if the MC is stronger than him now. By that logic, should every other character who's also weaker than the MC just die?
 
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Noel wasn't bound to Gab, though. She didn't have a companion, instead Nael was supplying her with energy.
If she was bound to him, she couldn't have become MC's dark one in the first place.
Then why did she lose her memory? That's supposed to be something that happens when the bond is broken, so something was broken when Noel and MC met.
 

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Then why did she lose her memory? That's supposed to be something that happens when the bond is broken, so something was broken when Noel and MC met.
Because she was separated from Nael who was constantly feeding her energy to prevent her going feral. And she'd just taken a blast from Arsael who's much stronger than Noel. Between the blast wounding her and Nael not being there to feed her, she was severely weakened. It's why Noel was fine after they separated following the events at the congress until Nael was kept away from Noel for too long.

Also possible Nael deliberately wiped Noels memories to facilitate her and MC hooking up after being blasted away. We know Nael has this power. It'd fit with the other hints about Nael wanting to covertly manipulate things to get them together.

It really makes no sense to assume Noel was bonded to Gab. If she had been, they'd still be bonded as Gab didn't die. Just being knocked away from their human wouldn't break a dark ones bond.
 
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Some people are just just professional grade hoarders or just obsessive. We get it nael is a cool character but she's with your brother. Be happy for him. Not every woman has to be in the harem
It is a pattern I see in every game thread I follow, some people always want what isn't meant to be or a particular girl that is either a character for a plot event/purpose or just a side girl that appears once. I understand this are "porn" games but if the story is terrible and without a clear path from the beginning, usually the overall result is bad or just average as much the "porn" is well done.

Creators should be immune to those pressures and tell the story the way they want. Just because this AVNs are games and somewhat interactive it is still a medium not that different than a movie/tv show/book and it is meant to be enjoyed as it is. Constructive criticism is welcomed from all developers I believe but shouldn't make it deviate too much from what they planned initially, just a few tweaks here and there is more than enough and most of them technical improvements and not too much story or character purpose tweaks and Nael integrates in this point, she isn't meant to be a LI (for all we know though, would be surprised if the path we all see isn't that one).
 
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Did he not what? I'm unsure what you're implying here. Noel was not bound to Gab, as poster above points out, not that it'd matter. Turnabout for what?. Gab and Noel in a relationship? What the hell are you smoking man, I want some.

Are you implying that the possibility of Gab and Noel hooking up before you even met her means he NTR'd the MC? If so, I don't think you have a damn clue what NTR is. If your girlfriend had a boyfriend before you met her, and they had sex, that's not cheating on you dude.

Though even that line of thought is silly because there's absolutely no proof or even hints that Noel and Gab had any kind of sexual relationship. Given how ultra protective Nael is of Noel, I highly doubt she'd have allowed anything like that to happen under her direct supervision.



I bet you're a real blast at family reunions. "Hey brother, I'm stronger than you now, you're useless!" looks at brothers wife, starts to drool a little "You serve no purpose now." pulls out a gun, shoots his brother and starts to dry hump his brothers widow before the police arrive to arrest him.

Here's a hint. Family doesn't have to have a "use" either in real life or in fiction. They can just, you know, exist. And even if he's weaker physically than the MC Gab has years of experience on him. If you're looking for a story use for the guy, he'd make a great advisor. One with a functioning moral compass, unlike Claire. Not all support has to be directly physical. If Berkili wants to kill Gab off, that's fine and I'm along for the ride whatever happens. But I'd argue he doesn't need to. So what if the MC is stronger than him now. By that logic, should every other character who's also weaker than the MC just die?
As far as I can remember, we have no idea what Noel was doing before the MC. All we know for sure is that she was with her sister and Gabe. Do we know what the relationship between Noel and Gabe was? As far as I am aware we don't. As for being NTR, no, it is not NTR even if Gabe and Noel had a relationship before the she and the MC met. However, it also isn't NTR for Nael and the MC to have a relationship if something were to happen to Gabe.

As for Noel being bound to Gabe, it is a possibility. We know that powerful dark ones like the primodials can damage the bond when attacked (Nael says so during the fight between Gabe and Matt). It is completely possible that Arsa severely damaged her bond with Gabe when she attacked in her true form and then she bonded with he MC because he felt like Gabe. As you can see in the picture I posted down below, the first interaction Noel had with the MC when she though he was Gabe isn't exactly the most platonic interacion. I mean, when is the last time a girl you are just friends with came up to you and tenderly put her hand on your cheek and looked in your eyes. My guess is never, or maybe my friends just arent that affectionate lol.

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Let me be clear about this, under no circumstances would I ever advocate for the MC to do any harm to his brother. I do not want the MC to kill his brother. I want the MC to do everything he can to help his brother. I want the MC to do everything he can to save his brother fom his current situation. In no way am I advocating for the MC to betray his brother.

Lastly, this isn't real life. Of course family, friends, or anyone else in real life dosn't have to have a "use" to have value. However, in a story, characters absolutely do. Great stories like Lord of the Rings wouldn't be better if Gandolf's cousin followed him around everywhere and added absolutely nothing to the story. There is a literary rule when creating a story called Chekhov's gun which states that every element in a story should be necessary and contribute to the overall narrative. The quote is "If in the first act you have hung a pistol on the wall, then in the following one it should be fired. Otherwise don't put it there.".
 

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There is a literary rule when creating a story called Chekhov's gun which states that every element in a story should be necessary and contribute to the overall narrative. The quote is "If in the first act you have hung a pistol on the wall, then in the following one it should be fired. Otherwise don't put it there.".
Are you actually comparing Gab to Chekhov's gun? First of all, Gab did, and still potentially does have story value. Even if he didn't, you don't just discard or kill off characters once their original story purpose has concluded. We're talking about a character in the story, not some object or tool. One who is very close personally with the MC.

And you are vastly overstating the importance of Chekov's gun as a literary rule. Take The Lord of the Rings for example. The only hobbits who have a "use" in the story are Bilbo, Frodo, Sam, Merry and Pippin. Yet Tolkien introduces an entire hobbit town with lots of families. Why do they exist? Not for some use in the plot. It's called world and character building.

Even if Gab had no use plot wise, he's still an important character to the MC, being his brother and only living family.

As far as I can remember, we have no idea what Noel was doing before the MC. All we know for sure is that she was with her sister and Gabe. Do we know what the relationship between Noel and Gabe was? As far as I am aware we don't. As for being NTR, no, it is not NTR even if Gabe and Noel had a relationship before the she and the MC met. However, it also isn't NTR for Nael and the MC to have a relationship if something were to happen to Gabe.

As for Noel being bound to Gabe, it is a possibility. We know that powerful dark ones like the primodials can damage the bond when attacked (Nael says so during the fight between Gabe and Matt). It is completely possible that Arsa severely damaged her bond with Gabe when she attacked in her true form and then she bonded with he MC because he felt like Gabe. As you can see in the picture I posted down below, the first interaction Noel had with the MC when she though he was Gabe isn't exactly the most platonic interacion. I mean, when is the last time a girl you are just friends with came up to you and tenderly put her hand on your cheek and looked in your eyes. My guess is never, or maybe my friends just arent that affectionate lol.
Speculating without evidence that Noel and Gab had a sexual relationship is just that, pure speculation. She's a dark one going feral, she instinctively was bonding with the first person she could. As far as it not being a platonic interaction she was forming an intimate bond with MC, of course that's not platonic.

And frankly it doesn't matter one way or the other if they had a sexual relationship in the past or not. Noel is currently with the MC and even if they did have an intimate past, Gab has shown no sign whatsoever of trying to get her back. He's been nothing but supportive of his brother the entire game.

And as far as powerful dark ones damaging the bond, damage is not the same as outright severing the bond. Plus Noel, while weaker than Arsael, is still a primordial herself and hardly defenseless. Even when attacked by Tessah and Matt at their full power it didn't sever the bond Noel had with MC. If Tessah who is far more powerful than Arsael didn't have enough juice to forcibly sever the bond without killing the human or dark one involved, Arsael damn well couldn't have. Their bond was only severed when Matt fully erased Noel by killing her.
 
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Are you actually comparing Gab to Chekhov's gun? First of all, Gab did, and still potentially does have story value. Even if he didn't, you don't just discard or kill off characters once their original story purpose has concluded. We're talking about a character in the story, not some object or tool. One who is very close personally with the MC.



Speculating without evidence that Noel and Gab had a sexual relationship is just that, pure speculation. That pic proves nothing, it's not even stated anywhere that she thinks he's Gab in that shot. She's a dark one going feral, she instinctively was bonding with the first person she could. As far as it not being a platonic interaction she was forming an intimate bond with MC, of course that's not platonic.

And as far as powerful dark ones damaging the bond, damage is not the same as outright severing the bond. Plus Noel, while weaker than Arsael, is still a primordial herself and hardly defenseless. Even when attacked by Tessah and Matt at their full power it didn't sever the bond Noel had with MC. If Tessah who is far more powerful than Arsael didn't have enough juice to forcibly sever the bond without killing the human involved, Arsael damn well couldn't have. Their bond was only severed when the MCs heart stopped and he temporarily died, before Nael saved him.
Comparing Gab to Chekhov's gun is a fair comparison. Gabe and all other elements in the story need to have a reason to be there. Gabe like every other character will have to either serve the narrative or be written out. I am sure we can agree on that. Prehaps you are right and he just serves as a moral guide to the MC and that is fine with me, not that the author needs my approval haha.

As for the possibility that Noel and Gabe had some type of intimate relationship, you are abosolutely right that it is speculation. However, there is just as much evidence that they didn't have a relationship as there is that they did, which is none. Like I have said several times, we just don't know what was happening before the MC came into the picture. I posted that picture because it is the only evidence in the entire storyline that may give some insight into how Noel views Gabe. After all, in that moment, she believes the MC is Gabe. Riddle me this, if Noel wasn't bound to Gabe before she was attacked by Arsa, why would she immediately bond to a person she thought was Gabe? If her and Gabe were never bound to one another, why start now?

All that being said, I do hope that we get a bit of background on Noel. I have long wondered exactly what she was up to before she met the MC. Did she just follow Nael around everywhere? Did she bond to other people? Did she bond to gabe? Even if she did just follow Nael around, what on earth did they get into for all that time? I think it would be pretty interesting to know a bit more.
 

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Comparing Gab to Chekhov's gun is a fair comparison. Gabe and all other elements in the story need to have a reason to be there. Gabe like every other character will have to either serve the narrative or be written out. I am sure we can agree on that.
No, it's not a fair comparison and no we can't agree on this. Characters, especially close family to the main protagonist, are not objects to be discarded after use.

Chekov's gun doesn't account for simple things like worldbuilding. Take any book ever giving a description of a scene, describing how a building looks for example, or the flowers in some garden. The appearance of the building or those flowers serve absolutely no purpose or "use" in the plot. Yet nearly every book ever published has such descriptions. It's called worldbuilding. And characters absolutely can exist without having plot relevance. It's called character building. Giving the protagonist friends and family helps to flesh out the main character as a whole, they don't need to be relevant to the plot at all.
 

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No, it's not a fair comparison and no we can't agree on this. Characters, especially close family to the main protagonist, are not objects to be discarded after use.

Chekov's gun doesn't account for simple things like worldbuilding. Take any book ever giving a description of a scene, describing how a building looks for example, or the flowers in some garden. The appearance of the building or those flowers serve absolutely no purpose or "use" in the plot. Yet nearly every book ever published has such descriptions. It's called worldbuilding. And characters absolutely can exist without having plot relevance. It's called character building. Giving the protagonist friends and family helps to flesh out the main character as a whole, they don't need to be relevant to the plot at all.
I will relent on that. There is a certain amount of worldbuilding necessary to make something feel real and full. Perhaps worldbuilding in itself is a good enough reason to satasify C. Gun. We will see what happens to Gabe. I am honestly content either way. If Gabe survives, he is a cool character so thats fine. If he dies then it introduces some drama and emotional tension into the story which would be fine too.
 
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