VN Ren'Py Consciousness [Ch.1 Final] [Inwatch]

[Deleted member 8754796]

so how does this work? if the lesbian content is heavily tied to the plot, how can it be so avoidable that its not even alluded to?
if there are lis that are already lesbian then you cant really avoid it unless you avoid the lis and if it is heavily tied to the plot, then it is heavily alluded as well even if you avoid the lis, which may not be the case since the lesbians are heavily tied to the plot.
is my english that bad?

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Seems it's a bit of misunderstanding with words, here's dev elaborating on it:

It might be my english that's bad or confusing but what I mean with it is lesbian content or any other optional content is heavily tied to the plot and not the other way around where the plot is heavily tied to for example lesbian content. If you choose an optional tag I want it to match properly and impact the plot. But if you don't choose it it's not going to be pushed on you or alluded to. In the case of lesbian content.

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Hope that answers your questions and thanks for asking!

 

[Inwatch]

do we get alternate scenes or do we have to cut out the whole LIs

If it is tied to the plot, is it avoidable or only skippable?

Alternate scenes and avoidable.

Thanks for the questions!

Ugh, might as well pass on this. Wtf is the point. "optional" . Another harem infected with lesbian crap.

so how does this work? if the lesbian content is heavily tied to the plot, how can it be so avoidable that its not even alluded to?
if there are lis that are already lesbian then you cant really avoid it unless you avoid the lis and if it is heavily tied to the plot, then it is heavily alluded as well even if you avoid the lis, which may not be the case since the lesbians are heavily tied to the plot.
is my english that bad?

did I say it sounded like a bait and switch that will get us fucked later on??? I can't remember.


Ohh, I did, didn't I?

It might be my english that's bad or confusing but what I mean with it is lesbian content or any other optional content is heavily tied to the plot and not the other way around where the plot is heavily tied to for example lesbian content. If you choose an optional tag I want it to match properly and impact the plot. But if you don't choose it it's not going to be pushed on you or alluded to. In the case of lesbian content.

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Hope that answers your questions and thanks for asking!

Maybe some mysterious person will leak an unofficial incest patch or mod?

... If it can be done and someone wants to make one, sure.

It's a shame that the super serum didn't give MC a regular sized head...
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Way too much exposition at the start, and way too much "MC's thoughts" lines makes the start painfully slow.

Learning as we go. Or how you say it. But thanks for trying it out!

Seems some shit happened.

Anyway for those who don't like lesbian, and are checking the thread for info follow this reply chain.

"Heavily tied to the plot" so it ain't a game for you, click that little ignore button and move on.

DON'T complain about it... cause well, plenty of warning in the comments lmao.

Bet you when lesbian is added there'll be people complaining that didn't read the comments.

I really hope that won't be the case.

 

[JoeTheMC84]

Alternate scenes and avoidable.

Thanks for the questions!





It might be my english that's bad or confusing but what I mean with it is lesbian content or any other optional content is heavily tied to the plot and not the other way around where the plot is heavily tied to for example lesbian content. If you choose an optional tag I want it to match properly and impact the plot. But if you don't choose it it's not going to be pushed on you or alluded to. In the case of lesbian content.

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Hope that answers your questions and thanks for asking!


... If it can be done and someone wants to make one, sure.


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Learning as we go. Or how you say it. But thanks for trying it out!

I really hope that won't be the case.

Oh, okay, so no girls are by default lesbians. And if you pick to have lesbian stuff then the plot will work out to were it makes sense and it won't come out of nowhere and not make sense. But if you pick no lesbian stuff, then the plot will go forward as it is before the choice, no lesbians stuff will even be hinted at and it will not feel like you missed something that "should have been there," if you went the other way. So it isn't that lesbian stuff is tied into the plot, it is that the plot will change to fit the lesbian stuff if you pick it so the plot is tied into if you pick it or not. Got it.

 

[Ass~God]

Plot is quite interesting, great game.

 

[Lucid Lancer]

Oh, okay, so no girls are by default lesbians. And if you pick to have lesbian stuff then the plot will work out to were it makes sense and it won't come out of nowhere and not make sense. But if you pick no lesbian stuff, then the plot will go forward as it is before the choice, no lesbians stuff will even be hinted at and it will not feel like you missed something that "should have been there," if you went the other way. So it isn't that lesbian stuff is tied into the plot, it is that the plot will change to fit the lesbian stuff if you pick it so the plot is tied into if you pick it or not. Got it.

If this is indeed the case and no LI is by default a lesbian/bi here in a "harem" vn and it's entirely avoidable dialogues included, then i will give this a go.
Thank you for the clarification.

 

[Inwatch]

Oh, okay, so no girls are by default lesbians. And if you pick to have lesbian stuff then the plot will work out to were it makes sense and it won't come out of nowhere and not make sense. But if you pick no lesbian stuff, then the plot will go forward as it is before the choice, no lesbians stuff will even be hinted at and it will not feel like you missed something that "should have been there," if you went the other way. So it isn't that lesbian stuff is tied into the plot, it is that the plot will change to fit the lesbian stuff if you pick it so the plot is tied into if you pick it or not. Got it.

If this is indeed the case and no LI is by default a lesbian/bi here in a "harem" vn and it's entirely avoidable dialogues included, then i will give this a go.
Thank you for the clarification.

Exactly!
I want to "reward" kinks with more than h-scenes but not "punish" anyone for not having a certain kink. That's the plan at least. The only two current tags that are not really avoidable throughout the game are Harem (You don't have to go for everyone but it will always be a core part of the plot) and mild male domination/claiming in line with the harem tag (Anything more extreme regarding domination will be avoidable).
Also there are unavoidable events in Chapter 1. with some of the current tags included as a major part of the plot. But the reason for that is explained throughout Chapter 1. so no spoilers for that one.

I hope that alleviated some worries! Or at least that it didn't make it worse.
Have a good one!

Plot is quite interesting, great game.

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Thank you, thank you!

I'm glad to hear you like it and I hope the booty shots were "ass-tastic".

Have a great one!

 

[Deleted member 8754796]

It might be my english that's bad or confusing but what I mean with it is lesbian content or any other optional content is heavily tied to the plot and not the other way around where the plot is heavily tied to for example lesbian content. If you choose an optional tag I want it to match properly and impact the plot. But if you don't choose it it's not going to be pushed on you or alluded to. In the case of lesbian content.

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I really hope that won't be the case.

Hmmm, seems an issue with the choice of words.

Correct me if I am wrong, but you seem to be stating that the optional content is at the mercy of the plot chosen yes? (i.e. if not chosen it doesn't exist in any capacity).

Heavily tied can imply that it's integral to the plot, which is what most have assumed until this comment I am quoting.

I'm going to assume I understood corrected, and edit my comment accordingly.

 

[Deleted member 8754796]

I want to "reward" kinks with more than h-scenes but not "punish" anyone for not having a certain kink.

It's kind of unavoidable that you will be punishing those not into those kinks to a certain degree. BUT! (booty), it's relatively minor if done properly, with non-extreme kinks.

The key is hiding it, and masking it so players never feel or notice it. i.e. toggle at the start of the game vs cutting out a whole character. The toggle is basically unnoticed, while the whole character makes them go "Why am I playing this?".

Lesbian is honestly on the line tho, since it's sharing an LI, the fact it's with another woman does cut it a bit more slack to the point it is tolerated while sharing with men is not.
Btw, here I mean full on lesbian, not les/bi acts within MFF where the focus is still MC, I'm talking the LIs actually crush on each-other/want to fuck eachother.

 

[Inwatch]

Hmmm, seems an issue with the choice of words.

Correct me if I am wrong, but you seem to be stating that the optional content is at the mercy of the plot chosen yes? (i.e. if not chosen it doesn't exist in any capacity).

Heavily tied can imply that it's integral to the plot, which is what most have assumed until this comment I am quoting.

I'm going to assume I understood corrected, and edit my comment accordingly.

Yeah my English usually devolves when I reply but you're spot on!
Some tags will still be mentioned like for example drugs. Even if you don't take any during the game it'll still be mentioned or taken by other characters. But not MC or LI's.

It's kind of unavoidable that you will be punishing those not into those kinks to a certain degree. BUT! (booty), it's relatively minor if done properly, with non-extreme kinks.

The key is hiding it, and masking it so players never feel or notice it. i.e. toggle at the start of the game vs cutting out a whole character. The toggle is basically unnoticed, while the whole character makes them go "Why am I playing this?".

Lesbian is honestly on the line tho, since it's sharing an LI, the fact it's with another woman does cut it a bit more slack to the point it is tolerated while sharing with men is not.
Btw, here I mean full on lesbian, not les/bi acts within MFF where the focus is still MC, I'm talking the LIs actually crush on each-other/want to fuck eachother.

True!
Not fan of the cutting out a whole character or huge amounts of content because of a kink. Unless if it's specifically made for a tag or something like that but still. So not planning on doing that. (Except for maybe the prostitution tag but it's still in the works).
The thing I'm worried about the most is if "not getting" the rewards will feel like a punishement even though they'll be related to a tag. But then again what I think is a reward might be another MC's trash so we'll see how that goes.

Thanks for asking and the input!
Have a good one!

 

[Lucid Lancer]

The thing I'm worried about the most is if "not getting" the rewards will feel like a punishement even though they'll be related to a tag. But then again what I think is a reward might be another MC's trash so we'll see how that goes.

Thanks for asking and the input!
Have a good one!

Well, that depends on what you consider a "reward" and the player's perspective at the end i think. While any particular tag might be seen as a "reward" by some, that same tag is trash for others.
For example- lesbian is only a "reward" to those who are into that, most do not want to do anything with that even remotely in a harem oriented vn, even dialogues hinting at that would just turn away the players who do not like that, then it's just an utter trash to them as you said.
It boils down to a preference but there are degrees. If you are going the route as JoeTheMC84 mentioned above then i think you'll do mostly fine.

In any case, good luck.

 

[JoeTheMC84]

Well, that depends on what you consider a "reward" and the player's perspective at the end i think. While any particular tag might be seen as a "reward" by some, that same tag is trash for others.
For example- lesbian is only a "reward" to those who are into that, most do not want to do anything with that even remotely in a harem oriented vn, even dialogues hinting at that would just turn away the players who do not like that, then it's just an utter trash to them as you said.
It boils down to a preference but there are degrees. If you are going the route as JoeTheMC84 mentioned above then i think you'll do mostly fine.

In any case, good luck.

 

[Lynava]

I can never understand why some people don't like lesbians. Like how can you not like 2+ girls?

 

[JoeTheMC84]

I can never understand why some people don't like lesbians. Like how can you not like 2+ girls?

Imagine it like this: Say I buy you two chocolate bars, then as I'm handing them to you, I toss them both into another room, lock the door and make you watch from a monitor as they eat each other. Does that sound better than me just giving you one chocolate bar that you get to eat yourself? Let alone two that are only yours and don't eat themselves.

Never seen much point to being a walking dildo for two chicks who seem perfectly happy together. If it's player directed during a three-some then it can be alright, the girls are still yours and doing it for you, so it depends on context, but lesbians just aren't inherently hot to me. And more-and-more people are finally coming out and saying the same even though it was always assumed before and even treated as like being weird for not liking it.

But if you're into it, cool, you-do-you my dude. No shame for liking what you like,

 

[Lynava]

Imagine it like this: Say I buy you two chocolate bars, then as I'm handing them to you, I toss them both into another room, lock the door and make you watch from a monitor as they eat each other. Does that sound better than me just giving you one chocolate bar that you get to eat yourself? Let alone two that are only yours and don't eat themselves.

Never seen much point to being a walking dildo for two chicks who seem perfectly happy together. If it's player directed during a three-some then it can be alright, the girls are still yours and doing it for you, so it depends on context, but lesbians just aren't inherently hot to me. And more-and-more people are finally coming out and saying the same even though it was always assumed before and even treated as like being weird for not liking it.

But if you're into it, cool, you-do-you my dude. No shame for liking what you like,

I hope I got the chocolate analogy right, are you putting yourself in MC's shoes? Because I don't, I don't identify with MC in avn.

 

[Lucid Lancer]

I hope I got the chocolate analogy right, are you putting yourself in MC's shoes? Because I don't, I don't identify with MC in avn.

Why are you assuming that no one does just because you don't? Did you not answer your own question just now?
Many people play VNs for the story/plot and characters however silly that may turn out to be, and they DO put themselves in the MC's shoes while playing these VNs, not just to rub or finger themselves. Also there's this thing called Preference.

 

[JoeTheMC84]

I hope I got the chocolate analogy right, are you putting yourself in MC's shoes? Because I don't, I don't identify with MC in avn.

You didn’t specify for only in AVNs, so my answer would work for both irl, but also anyone who self-inserts in AVNs as well. For those who also don’t self-insert, there is also the fact that lesbian sex is kind of boring to some people. Nothing’s really happening that can’t be achieved by a chick alone or with a guy. It’s vanilla sex or masturbating with extra steps,

To get the most out of it they have to use toys and stuff to pretend a guy is involved anyway, so why not just have the male lead character involved? Not to go too much into irl stats but lesbian couples self report having the least amount of sexual activity while gay couples have the most and hetero couples in the middle. So, even most lesbians seem to find it boring on its own.

And that isn’t even getting into things like simping third-wheel Mc's who get nose bleeds and obsessive over “how hot lesbians are,” lesbians suddenly turning straight/bi for a giga-chad Mc's randomly, straight girls suddenly turning bi out of nowhere, borderline or actual lesbian NTR… all of which are just dumb and bad storytelling. So again, no self-insertion needed to find it bad in those instances either.

As a final comment, I’d actually turn it around a bit: Why does anyone find lesbians hot? And I mean, no one needs a reason for a fetish, just to be clear, but I’ve kind of always wondered. I often wonder about all kinds of fetishes, why people enjoy them. I find the thought experiment of diving into the reasons interesting. Like, when I was a teenager I found lesbians hot, it was two naked girls, that was awesome. But in reality, it was just the naked girls, even if they didn’t touch each other I’d have found it hot. So I wasn’t really finding “lesbians” hot, just boobs and naked ladies hot. Especially as I got older and saw a friend’s marriage get ruined by his girl cheating with another lady, and a few other things. Anyway, that’s all I got. Again, no judgment here, we all like what we like,

 

[wytekki]

I honestly saw alot of potential in this and i always enjoy a good laugh in my avn's, will definitely be following!

 

[Deleted member 8754796]

Yeah my English usually devolves when I reply but you're spot on!
Some tags will still be mentioned like for example drugs. Even if you don't take any during the game it'll still be mentioned or taken by other characters. But not MC or LI's.


True!
Not fan of the cutting out a whole character or huge amounts of content because of a kink. Unless if it's specifically made for a tag or something like that but still. So not planning on doing that. (Except for maybe the prostitution tag but it's still in the works).
The thing I'm worried about the most is if "not getting" the rewards will feel like a punishement even though they'll be related to a tag. But then again what I think is a reward might be another MC's trash so we'll see how that goes.

Thanks for asking and the input!
Have a good one!

I wouldn't make any prostitute an LI. (personally I'd completely avoid it).

Unless it's MC only, AND they haven't prostituted to anyone else before. (Virgin prostitute would be interesting ngl).

It's honestly a tag that has no business on a harem game though if I am being honest. And certainly not being on an LI cause that's just veiled NTR at that point. (She's a prostitute... the do certain things).

 

[YogSothoth1982]

I hope I got the chocolate analogy right, are you putting yourself in MC's shoes? Because I don't, I don't identify with MC in avn.

I do. The thing is, I don't like lesbian sex, either in real life or in VN, so even if I didn't do it, I still wouldn't like it.

Not fan of the cutting out a whole character or huge amounts of content because of a kink. Unless if it's specifically made for a tag or something like that but still. So not planning on doing that. (Except for maybe the prostitution tag but it's still in the works).

If you include a prostitute as a LI, I want to avoid her, I have no interest in her. Nothing you say will make me interested in her. Unless it suddenly turns out that you say "she's not a prostitute and never has been," then I might be interested, or not, depending on how much I believe this second piece of information.

Other LIs I don't want in my harem are sluts, and here again, I don't care what information you're going to give us about them. The only option is to avoid them.

The thing I'm worried about the most is if "not getting" the rewards will feel like a punishement even though they'll be related to a tag. But then again what I think is a reward might be another MC's trash so we'll see how that goes.

I've always seen "I'll reward you for liking this particular kink" more as "I'll punish you for not liking this particular kink that I like."

 

[Deleted member 8754796]

I can never understand why some people don't like lesbians. Like how can you not like 2+ girls?

That's a false equivalency.

Liking 2+ girls is not the same as wanting to watch 2+ girls fuck each-other.

Harem Enjoyers want to fuck 2+ girls, not watch them fuck, the latter is polycule.