VN Ren'Py Corporate Culture [v0.7] [sqwl]

[Ottoeight]

No, why would you think that? Do you have a legit response or were you just trying to shitpost?

It is a legit response. I wonder how people manage to misinterpret a work of fiction in such a way. It's like seeing a triangle and telling it has 4 sides.

It's been a while since I played, but I am almost sure there are a scene in Elsa's apartment and Alice go there later and interact with her and MC. So, I don't know how that would fit in a Fight Club scheme.

The Dude just forgot the gazillion times Elsa interacts with people at the office, for instance. How she often chats with Zoe, for instance. Her 2 female friends, for instance - the girl Edward meets at the police station, the girl Edward meets at the café. The coffee shop dude. The scene with Elsa and Lucy. The manager who's harassing Elsa. The fight with the guy for Elsa. The hairdresser.

And so on.


The problem is that people like him think that convoluted, bewildering and obscure plots with out of the blue plot reversals (turns out that everything that you knew is false and shit like that) - like you so often see in popular fiction are smart and brilliant.

They are not. They are CRAP.

 

[Requah]

Who is the woman on the far right in the banner? Is that Elsa's friend that meets the mc and Elsa at the caffe earlier in the game or someone we have yet to meet? Its not the MC's ex that cheated is it ?

 

[Ottoeight]

Who is the woman on the far right in the banner? Is that Elsa's friend that meets the mc and Elsa at the caffe earlier in the game or someone we have yet to meet? Its not the MC's ex that cheated is it ?

She's Elsa friend we meet at the coffee shop. But maybe, as someone said, Elsa doesn't exist and she was meeting Edward... (well, no!)

 

[Jericho85]

It is a legit response. I wonder how people could misinterpret a work of fiction in such a way. It's like seeing a triangle and telling it has 4 sides.




The Dude just forgot the gazillion times Elsa interacts with people at the office, for instance. How she often chats with Zoe, for instance. Her 2 female friends, for instance - the girl Edward meets at the police station, the girl Edward meets at the café. The coffee shop dude. The manager who's harassing Elsa. The fight with the guy for Elsa. The hairdresser.

And so on.


The problem is that people like him think that convoluted, bewildering and obscure plots with out of the blue plot reversals (turns out that everything that you knew is false and shit like that) - like you so often see in popular fiction are smart and brilliant.

They are not. They are CRAP.

Fuck off dude, I'm allowed to tinfoil from time to time. No need to be a dick about it.

The story literally starts out with Edward talking to a voice in his head and perceptions are pretty fucked up for a schizophrenic. What if the interactions he witnessed didn't happen exactly the way it's presented? What if that girl who was getting harassed by Neil Swanger was just a random girl that Edward "manifested" Elsa from. In fight club, there were many instances where Tyler acted as a second party but it turned out that it was the Narrator doing those things and was interacting with those characters. None of the other characters picked up on the fact that he was schizo. All I'm saying is maybe it's something similar. Just because we see Elsa talking to someone or doing something, doesn't mean it actually happened exactly that way in reality.

I'm just saying it'd be an interesting twist. It's no question that Edward's mental instability is a major plot element, so what if we're seeing everything from his warped perception of things?

 

[Dessolos]

Fuck off dude, I'm allowed to tinfoil from time to time. No need to be a dick about it.

The story literally starts out with Edward talking to a voice in his head and perceptions are pretty fucked up for a schizophrenic. What if the interactions he witnessed didn't happen exactly the way it's presented? What if that girl who was getting harassed by Neil Swanger was just a random girl that Edward "manifested" Elsa from. In fight club, there were many instances where Tyler acted as a second party but it turned out that it was the Narrator doing those things and was interacting with those characters. None of the other characters picked up on the fact that he was schizo. All I'm saying is maybe it's something similar. Just because we see Elsa talking to someone or doing something, doesn't mean it actually happened exactly that way in reality.

I'm just saying it'd be an interesting twist. It's no question that Edward's mental instability is a major plot element, so what if we're seeing everything from his warped perception of things?

Honestly I wouldn't mind the schizophrenic theory it be different but sad at the same time if it is true cause I do want a shot at Elsa lol. So far the writing has shown this dev could pull something like that off it's no Sassy Girl lol.

 

[AlexMpog]

Fuck off dude, I'm allowed to tinfoil from time to time. No need to be a dick about it.
The story literally starts out with Edward talking to a voice in his head and perceptions are pretty fucked up for a schizophrenic. What if the interactions he witnessed didn't happen exactly the way it's presented? What if that girl who was getting harassed by Neil Swanger was just a random girl that Edward "manifested" Elsa from. In fight club, there were many instances where Tyler acted as a second party but it turned out that it was the Narrator doing those things and was interacting with those characters. None of the other characters picked up on the fact that he was schizo. All I'm saying is maybe it's something similar. Just because we see Elsa talking to someone or doing something, doesn't mean it actually happened exactly that way in reality.

Who borrowed him a car when he went on a date with Lucy for the 1st time? I mean, being schizophrenic, he could imagine going on a date, but I doubt he was imagining driving an expensive car, and he couldn't buy it either cause he is poor.
Who bought him an expensive clothes? Again he couldn't afford it by himself.
Unless everything is happening in his head, well, then all arguments are all pointless in this case)

And about that interaction with Lucy that you mentioned, nah, Lucy didn't act like Elsa wasn't around.

I'm just saying it'd be an interesting twist. It's no question that Edward's mental instability is a major plot element, so what if we're seeing everything from his warped perception of things?

That would be a bummer
I mean investing so much time into a character just to be gaslighted like this))) It's almost like to kill MC in the end.

 

[Krytax123]

Fuck off dude, I'm allowed to tinfoil from time to time. No need to be a dick about it.

The story literally starts out with Edward talking to a voice in his head and perceptions are pretty fucked up for a schizophrenic. What if the interactions he witnessed didn't happen exactly the way it's presented? What if that girl who was getting harassed by Neil Swanger was just a random girl that Edward "manifested" Elsa from. In fight club, there were many instances where Tyler acted as a second party but it turned out that it was the Narrator doing those things and was interacting with those characters. None of the other characters picked up on the fact that he was schizo. All I'm saying is maybe it's something similar. Just because we see Elsa talking to someone or doing something, doesn't mean it actually happened exactly that way in reality.

I'm just saying it'd be an interesting twist. It's no question that Edward's mental instability is a major plot element, so what if we're seeing everything from his warped perception of things?

I think he just hates plots like that and i kinda have to agree, they suck

Its only barely better than "the mc wakes up in his bed and only dreamt the whole story". Figthclub was still epic tho.

 

[Dessolos]

lol I always see people talk about fight club when talking about this game. Ive never seen it lol I tho not surprised I barley watch movies I prefer tv shows or anime.

 

[Jericho85]

lol I always see people talk about fight club when talking about this game. Ive never seen it lol I tho not surprised I barley watch movies I prefer tv shows or anime.

It's not a like for like by any stretch, but there are a few broad parallels and some subversions even without the split personality theory. Both of the main characters are schizophrenic spending a good portion of the story talking to a voice in their heads... both are in a quarter life crisis dissatisfied with their work and lifestyle feeling numb and insignificant... Both begin seeking a way to change his life guided by a mentor figure... only where Edward is actually finding success through his changes, Fight Club's "Narrator" thinks he's getting stronger when he's actually getting worse.

There may be a few more parallels, but I haven't watched Fight Club in a while either. Fight Club goes in a way darker direction though. IF it does turn out that Edward is also an unreliable narrator and certain characters such as Elsa or Tommy (or even some minor extras) end up being manifestations of his mental instabilities, then that would be a very obvious parallel. If that's the direction this goes, anyway.

 

[jtc]

..... convoluted, bewildering and obscure plots with out of the blue plot reversals (turns out that everything that you knew is false and shit like that) - like you so often see in popular fiction are smart and brilliant.

They are not. They are CRAP.

Yeah, not a big fan of those. More often than not these 'twists' come across as lazy writing instead of smart.

 

[armond]

I'm guessing Jericho was referring to Fight Club or A Beautiful Mind, suggesting that Elsa could be Ed's imaginary friend
There are probably some similarities, but in my opinion too much speaks against it, too many people see Elsa besides Ed.

Those were my thoughts as well.

 

[armond]

Fuck off dude, I'm allowed to tinfoil from time to time. No need to be a dick about it.

The story literally starts out with Edward talking to a voice in his head and perceptions are pretty fucked up for a schizophrenic. What if the interactions he witnessed didn't happen exactly the way it's presented? What if that girl who was getting harassed by Neil Swanger was just a random girl that Edward "manifested" Elsa from. In fight club, there were many instances where Tyler acted as a second party but it turned out that it was the Narrator doing those things and was interacting with those characters. None of the other characters picked up on the fact that he was schizo. All I'm saying is maybe it's something similar. Just because we see Elsa talking to someone or doing something, doesn't mean it actually happened exactly that way in reality.

I'm just saying it'd be an interesting twist. It's no question that Edward's mental instability is a major plot element, so what if we're seeing everything from his warped perception of things?

Yeah, it's gonna turn out ed's the only human left and everyone else is just his imagination. What a twist

 

[MagicShoppe]

The multiple personality disorder stuff with Edward is perfectly legitimate. Just not with Elsa. (I would love the Elsa isn't real idea to be viable. It just is not.)

Edward, in some dialog paths at the cafe, decides to injury himself. And in another path a voice in his head convinces him to injure himself. (Just the capability to follow through on "it's a good idea if I injure myself" is indicative of a mental trauma.)

 

[armond]

indicative of a mental trauma

More accurately, a failure to properly deal with mental trauma.

 

[Ottoeight]

I'm just saying it'd be an interesting twist.

It would NOT be an interesting twist. It would be a busload of crap like all these "interesting twists" are.

 

[HiP1]

maybe Tommy being the imaginary friend would work better.
fans of AVN games might not like to be deprived of one potential LI

 

[Jericho85]

It would NOT be an interesting twist. It would be a busload of crap like all these "interesting twists" are.

Well opinions are like assholes... everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.

maybe Tommy being the imaginary friend would work better.
fans of AVN games might not like to be deprived of one potential LI

Oh I don't know... Elsa could work too. Maybe Edward just embraces the crazy and lives happily ever after fucking his imaginary waifu .

Just imagine Alice finally falling for him only for him to say, "Sorry honey, I'm already taken". Then he walks off into the sunset with his arm held around his invisible girlfriend.

 

[Coinzell]

I was absent for 7 months. No update. Sad.

 

[Seithr63]

Hoping for a nihilistic ending, where Eddie ruins everybody, then himself.

 

[MagicShoppe]

Hoping for a nihilistic ending, where Eddie ruins everybody, then himself.

No, Ed gets everything he wants and then Elsa takes it all away from him because he's no longer her useful idiot.