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If you allow me, the Creator is not very clear with his explanation, in fact, between what he says and what the game leads us to do, there are many inaccuracies, one thing is clear to all of us, Clara will fuck with others, who whether it happens out of duty or out of lust, well we don't know yet, one thing is certain, Clara lives to have a life full of adrenaline, that is excitement, for her action on the field is equivalent to foreplay, murders to orgasm, so this being of hers will be stronger than the feeling she has for Alan, she is not in love like a normal wife would be, she felt obligated and strong to take care of someone like Alan, a puppy to protect, but now with this operation , and the choices of the two will open Clara's eyes, demonstrating that they are not compatible, that the true ideal married couple is Alan and Anna, they have a lot in common, even too much. this is why the creator's statements don't convince me, he lets us make choices with Alan, but with Clara he forces us to follow the path of the slut, I only foresee endings with separation, an Alan who accepts what Clara has done doesn't hold up, also because she is lying to him, so Clara betrays him for work, but she also lies to him in a very shameless way, all this because her ambition is to become the director of the Spies, here is the real Clara.
 

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yeah rip alan is fucked look at this guy :KEK: :KEK:
it is normal that Clara will be fucked by many characters who will be part of the operation, a spy is also trained for this, therefore, theoretically Clara also knew that this risk was very real, the one in the dark and Alan, who has not had this training, he knows that there are these variations that a spy must use, as James Bond always said, what do I have to do for my country, hahaha, here the game already takes us into the full world of NTR, in a different way from how others are, but already set, I still don't understand the creator's statements, he tells us that based on our choices with Alan, the endings will be favorable to the couple and no. Now, if Clara has the path set to cheat, what choices do we and Alan have to avoid this, this is not clear, perhaps the choices will be that in the end Alan will accept everything because it is due to the mission or perhaps he will not accept the situation because Clara does not she told him the truth undermining his trust, I don't understand other choices that we can't make, let's not forget that Anna will now also use her hacker weapons and in love with Alan, to create even more problems for the couple.
 

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it is normal that Clara will be fucked by many characters who will be part of the operation, a spy is also trained for this, therefore, theoretically Clara also knew that this risk was very real, the one in the dark and Alan, who has not had this training, he knows that there are these variations that a spy must use, as James Bond always said, what do I have to do for my country, hahaha, here the game already takes us into the full world of NTR, in a different way from how others are, but already set, I still don't understand the creator's statements, he tells us that based on our choices with Alan, the endings will be favorable to the couple and no. Now, if Clara has the path set to cheat, what choices do we and Alan have to avoid this, this is not clear, perhaps the choices will be that in the end Alan will accept everything because it is due to the mission or perhaps he will not accept the situation because Clara does not she told him the truth undermining his trust, I don't understand other choices that we can't make, let's not forget that Anna will now also use her hacker weapons and in love with Alan, to create even more problems for the couple.
I think the dev made it as clear as possible. Clara will definitely cheat but her intentions behind it is the difference. To do it to betray MC or to save MC.

From what i understand, if we keep making choices to love or trust her then she won't mingle with any villains but only go through penalties. This route will end with us still married to Clara, one way or the other. Maybe we can choose to accept and understand that she did it because of getting blackmailed or to save MC. Or we can accept that in her line of duty such things are bound to happen and just move on. But dev also mentioned we can fight back or something, so will have to keep a look out for that scenario.

If we choose to not trust her then yeah she probably going to end up as a whore that fucks everyone and leaves MC in the end or something. Bad endings i presume.

The choices with Anna is what decides if we will end up with her or not. We gotta wait and see how it all works together.
 

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The game is rather verbose and feels a bit episodic, but the potential is there. It can definitely become iconic if the writing is done right.
 
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The game is rather verbose and feels a bit episodic, but the potential is there. It can definitely become iconic if the writing is done right.
I disagree buddy. That's the problem with most adult vns. They are just shiny sex sliders as someone else said and we fap and forget about it after a while.

I dont want this game or writing to go any different. Other than the renders, the writing is where it really shines, letting us know how the characters like Clara feel throughout the scenes.

With Anna and Leon's scenes, everything feels like they come together perfectly.

We need more games like these where the story matters and more emotions go into it. For quick fap there is always a hundred sites to help you out.
 

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If I read this correctly, You (MC) will be able to change the eventual outcome of the game, based on your choices.
Of course I might be wrong and misread it completely. It might be as you say that regardless of your choices you (MC) will end in misery, but that is not how I read the above.
If you allow me, the Creator is not very clear with his explanation, in fact, between what he says and what the game leads us to do, there are many inaccuracies, one thing is clear to all of us, Clara will fuck with others, who whether it happens out of duty or out of lust, well we don't know yet, one thing is certain, Clara lives to have a life full of adrenaline, that is excitement, for her action on the field is equivalent to foreplay, murders to orgasm, so this being of hers will be stronger than the feeling she has for Alan, she is not in love like a normal wife would be, she felt obligated and strong to take care of someone like Alan, a puppy to protect, but now with this operation , and the choices of the two will open Clara's eyes, demonstrating that they are not compatible, that the true ideal married couple is Alan and Anna, they have a lot in common, even too much. this is why the creator's statements don't convince me, he lets us make choices with Alan, but with Clara he forces us to follow the path of the slut, I only foresee endings with separation, an Alan who accepts what Clara has done doesn't hold up, also because she is lying to him, so Clara betrays him for work, but she also lies to him in a very shameless way, all this because her ambition is to become the director of the Spies, here is the real Clara.
The dev does not want to admit that Clara will cheat and be unfaithful....whatever you do! Because in her heart, she is still as pure as the driven snow to Alan and doesn't want to hurt him and still loves him deeply and isn't doing it willingly...kind oif..ish..sort of......the dev considers that being faithful...(even though, in reality, she has already been unfaithful twice (in most people's eyes). I can't wait for her to be gangabnged and covered in cum...yet tell Alan she was thinking about him at every moment of being railed so it isn't techincally be unfaithful. Right honey....honey?

She will cheat (because, job or blackmail or not...doing shit with someone else is cheating)...she will be unfaithful...however, how you as Alan deal with that...is entirely up to you. That's where the real choices to come in. So yes, apparently you will be able to save your marriage and perhaps, live happily ever after...but it will take some compromises on Alan's behalf (or complete suspension of disbelief and total ignorance with loving her).

Or you can call her out and not trust her...and probably lose her forever.

Persobnally I think she has to be dumbest agent alive...plot...writing...or she just plain dumb to believe any of this shit...leave that for you to decide lol...buit why I like this, agent, spies, espionage shizz...it gives a real sensible reason for her to do what she will end up doing...unlike most NTR FMC's that just turn into sluts overnight for no other reason that..well..cuz reasons....porn. At least this does make sense somewhat as to how/why she falls down the depravity ladder.
not sure what the dev has in mind but too me it seems like YES clara will 100% (cheat) but in the later stages of the game there will be some branches (options) were alan can protect his wife/game over sceen with him shoot dead .... or her wife end in bad places sold/tied up/completly mind broken because there camouflage blown up(seems like a dangerious job and alan can fuck up because he cant control his emotions :KEK: ).... but you can also as far as I understoood have possibilities for alan to (win) maybe with his hacking??? or playing smart and save his wife??? we dont now yet but there will be ways other than just watching the waife fail and kinda have a happy ending/winning against the bad guys I guess as far as I understood....

but yes you have to endure the cheating so maybe not the kinda game for them to make it until the end :KEK: :KEK:





From what i understand, if we keep making choices to love or trust her then she won't mingle with any villains but only go through penalties. This route will end with us still married to Clara, one way or the other. Maybe we can choose to accept and understand that she did it because of getting blackmailed or to save MC. Or we can accept that in her line of duty such things are bound to happen and just move on. But dev also mentioned we can fight back or something, so will have to keep a look out for that scenario.

If we choose to not trust her then yeah she probably going to end up as a whore that fucks everyone and leaves MC in the end or something. Bad endings i presume.

The choices with Anna is what decides if we will end up with her or not. We gotta wait and see how it all works together.
I am not sure if it will be this simple it seem like the game will get more complex down the line and just beaing loving and caring kinda seem like to get her in trouble with the penalties that are designed to break her:cry::love: the game will probably lure/try to mindfuck you alot is my guess were alons support or caring for his wife actually get her MORE IN TROUBLE or blow her camouflage up so his jelousy will probably play a big part

so we need to wait and see but I dont think it will be as simple as well just be loving and supporting and nothing happens or be a dick ignore her and she will cheat that would be too simple

you can probably be a good little supporting hubby and still fuck up :KEK: :KEK: :KEK: :KEK:his caring / naiv /jelouse site will probably destroy his wife

you need to have a calm mind and think clear for a job like that which clara is a pro at but alan is the WEAKNESS alan is not a agent he is a HACKER compared to his agent wife
 
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The dev does not want to admit that Clara will cheat and be unfaithful....whatever you do! Because in her heart, she is still as pure as the driven snow to Alan and doesn't want to hurt him and still loves him deeply and isn't doing it willingly...kind oif..ish..sort of......the dev considers that being faithful...(even though, in reality, she has already been unfaithful twice (in most people's eyes). I can't wait for her to be gangabnged and covered in cum...yet tell Alan she was thinking about him at every moment of being railed so it isn't techincally be unfaithful. Right honey....honey?

She will cheat (because job or blackmail or not...doing shit with someone else is cheating)...she will be unfaithful...however, how you as Alan deal with that...is entirely up to you. That's where the real choices to come in. So yes, apparently you will be able to save your marriage and perhaps, live happily ever after...but it will take some compromises on Alan's behalf (or complete suspension of disbelief and total ignorance with loving her).

Or you can call her out and not trust her...and probably lose her forever.
I think anyone playing this thinking that there will not be cheating is..... what do you call it..... dumb!

The dev explicitly states that it will happen.

For me... not even sure if I would classify it as NTR.
The run of the mill NTR story is that you (MC) ultimately lose your LI (Or become unwillingly and completely cucked)
IE you (MC) are a loser and gets humiliated by other male(s) in the story.


Now this story, it would appear you can fight back and either
a) find a new love interest
or
b) get your wife back
or
c) give into the humiliation and go the NTR route


Obviously I like a games with options a or b (c is not for me)

Another game like this is Mad Turn (One of my favorite games on this site)

Like I said I will probably give this game a few more update cycles before starting it.
Basically, I would start the game when the MC have the beginning of a road back to redemption.
 
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not sure what the dev has in mind but too me it seems like YES clara will 100% cheat but in the later stages of the game there will be some branches (options) were alan can protect his wife/game over sceen with him shoot dead .... or her wife end in bad places sold/tied up..... but you can also as far as I understoood have possibilities for alan to (win) maybe with his hacking??? or playing smart and save his wife??? we dont now yet but there will be ways other than just watching the waife fail I guess as far as I understood....

but yes you have to endure the cheating so maybe not the kinda game for them to make it until the end :KEK: :KEK:






I am not sure if it will be this simple it seem like the game will get more complex down the line and just beaing loving and caring kinda seem like to get her in trouble with the penalties that are designed to break her:cry::love:

so we need to wait and see but I dont think it will be as simple as well just be loving and supporting and nothing happens or be a dick ignore her and she will cheat that would be too simple
100% Agreed, I think the wife cheating /or being forced to have cheat will be unavoidable. BUT It looks like you would have an option to turn that situation around. That is the part I like.

Turn it around baby... get some revenge on the fuckers maybe thrown in there....
 
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I think anyone playing this thinking that there will not be cheating is..... what do you call it..... dumb!

The dev explicitly states that it will happen.

For me... not even sure if I would classify it as NTR.
The run of the mill NTR story is that you (MC) ultimately lose your LI (Or become unwillingly and completely cucked)
IE you (MC) are a loser and gets humiliated by other male(s) in the story.


Now this story, it would appear you can fight back and either
a) find a new love interest
or
b) get your wife back
or
c) give into the humiliation and go the NTR route


Obviously I like a games with options a or b (c is not for me)

Another game like this is Mad Turn (One of my favorite games on this site)

Like I said I will probably give this game a few more update cycles before starting it.
Basically, I would start the game when the MC have the beginning of a road back to redemption.






I believe that none of us have ever questioned betrayal 100%, being a game with a spy, be it a woman or a man, they are trained and informed, who on a mission must also use weapons of seduction and sex to steal the secrets of the enemy, therefore, on this, no one has any doubts, I agree with you on the naming of NTR, here Clara betrays because it is part of one of her spy trainings, in fact I find all this a bit controversial, now, moving on to Alan, we are asked which depends on our choices with him on the endings of the story, well, the dynamics of how it happens is not yet clear, it presupposes that Alan must also at some point understand that being a spy is not only what Clara has done up to now, killing or protect witnesses, but also much more, let's say that this is a fault made by Clara perhaps when they got married, she should have said all the variations, and that's why I find something wrong, Clara and Leon being spies know their duties, Alan and Anna, do not know this side of training and mission that leads a spy to also use his own body for the mission, perhaps the real problem arises precisely from this, but, certainly, to judge these types of combustion games slow, we need to wait for some more Saudi updates. for now, many doubts, and even some inconsistencies in the story, but we know that random errors happen at the beginning.
 
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100% Agreed, I think the wife cheating /or being forced to have cheat will be unavoidable. BUT It looks like you would have an option to turn that situation around. That is the part I like.

Turn it around baby... get some revenge on the fuckers maybe thrown in there....
yeah but it seems like (I am not the dev so no idea what his VISION is) its more like a endgame scenario of (winning) not something that will happen soon more like the last couple of chapters kinda thing the branching will prob happen very late otherwise it will get to complex is my guess it will not be the main focus
 

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yeah but it seems like (I am not the dev so no idea what his VISION is) its more like a endgame scenario of (winning) not something that will happen soon more like the last couple of chapters kinda thing the branching will prob happen very late otherwise it will get to complex is my guess it will not be the main focus
That's all about the dev's execution.

Say the complete game will be 10 Chapters long:

If 8-9 chapters is pure NTR and you just get 1 or 2 chapters reconciling with the wife.... I think it will be poorly executed. Why bother with a non-NTR route at that stage since all the players (like me) that want to win back the girl, will be long gone. You might as well then write a 100% NTR game as that is who your game is tailored for.

However after the cheating occurs... on the redemption route (Non NTR route). There should be some small victories along the way to the final chapters. Like showing scenes with wife's remorse or maybe the MC finds another girl and make his wife jealous in return or whatever plot device the dev uses for this, but there should be small victories for the MC thrown in that ultimately ends with complete victory and the last one or 2 chapters.
A Novel that did this perfectly is "Far from the madding crowd" by Thomas Hardy. Mad Turn... another game on f95 also does this perfectly.
 

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not sure what the dev has in mind but too me it seems like YES clara will 100% (cheat) but in the later stages of the game there will be some branches (options) were alan can protect his wife/game over sceen with him shoot dead .... or her wife end in bad places sold/tied up/completly mind broken because there camouflage blown up(seems like a dangerious job and alan can fuck up because he cant control his emotions :KEK: ).... but you can also as far as I understoood have possibilities for alan to (win) maybe with his hacking??? or playing smart and save his wife??? we dont now yet but there will be ways other than just watching the waife fail and kinda have a happy ending/winning against the bad guys I guess as far as I understood....

but yes you have to endure the cheating so maybe not the kinda game for them to make it until the end :KEK: :KEK:






I am not sure if it will be this simple it seem like the game will get more complex down the line and just beaing loving and caring kinda seem like to get her in trouble with the penalties that are designed to break her:cry::love: the game will probably lure/try to mindfuck you alot is my guess were alons support or caring for his wife actually get her MORE IN TROUBLE or blow her camouflage up so his jelousy will probably play a big part

so we need to wait and see but I dont think it will be as simple as well just be loving and supporting and nothing happens or be a dick ignore her and she will cheat that would be too simple

you can probably be a good little supporting hubby and still fuck up :KEK: :KEK: :KEK: :KEK:his caring / naiv /jelouse site will probably destroy his wife

you need to have a calm mind and think clear for a job like that which clara is a pro at but alan is the WEAKNESS alan is not a agent he is a HACKER compared to his agent wife
I agree with your views and hope things do play out where we as MC can take revenge against Specter and have a sort of happy ending with Clara who feels remorse.

Or we get to punish her for betraying us or we can forget her and just wrap our arms around Anna xD.

Or just fuck it all and leave to end up alone and sad.

So many possibilities to think of and I cant wait to see them through.
 

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I don't see these margins, Clara doesn't have the power of redemption, if an agent like her accepts a job, she accepts all her risks, she knows everything very well, I repeat, Alan who is not an effective agent, doesn't know all this, and here perhaps Clara's real cheating, no sex for work, but not having told Alan that these things could happen as an agent, and here perhaps is the crossroads. mine is just a concept, and at that point Alan could also blame Clara for not having been honest about everything, and that wanting to go on a mission to be promoted as spy chief is much more important than their marriage, these are the real issues.
 
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I agree with your views and hope things do play out where we as MC can take revenge against Specter and have a sort of happy ending with Clara who feels remorse.

Or we get to punish her for betraying us or we can forget her and just wrap our arms around Anna xD.

Or just fuck it all and leave to end up alone and sad.

So many possibilities to think of and I cant wait to see them through.
we probably need to play smart and calm to save the wife I think the penalties will break her and acting emotional/jelouse will lead to more penalties or game over sceens and lead to blow up cover on dangerous missions :cry: :cry: :cry: I think the penalties are the most dangerious because they will probably more mind breaking the deeper we drag the wife with our caring/naivety/jealousy we need to see how the first penalties (tease) will give us

I mean there are 2 scenarios with this update

1. a wife that is in full control in exchange lost a little bit of dignity (which is good I guess)

2. and a wife that the husband (think helped) but got the first penaltie for exchange (which is probably bad)

and alan could act jelouse in this update which is probably not good because at some point people will realise that they are a couple/married (showing up randomly by accident/ instantly says something to keep the boss hands of the wifes shoulders and so on...) if this continues they should relise that something is going on between this two
 
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we probably need to play smart and calm to save the wife I think the penalties will break her and acting emotional/jelouse will lead to more penalties or game over sceens and lead to blow up cover on dangerous missions :cry: :cry: :cry: I think the penalties are the most dangerious because they will probably more mind breaking the deeper we drag the wife with our caring/naivety/jealousy we need to see how the first penalties (tease) will give us

I mean there are 2 scenarios with this update

1. a wife that is in full control (which is good I guess)

2. and a wife that the husband (think helped) but got the first penaltie for exchange (which is probably bad)

and alan could act jelouse in this update which is probably not good because at some point people will realise that they are a couple/married
I am assuming the penalties are just events to literally punish her but it can't be as bad as her getting involved with the villains who all can corrupt her piece by piece (the black guy is giving me really bad vibes).

I saw the scenarios like this in this update,

1) A wife who was forced to sacrifice even more of her dignity since her husband didn't help her

2) and a wife who was able to stay in control and finish the operation without any shame while feeling happy that her husband supported her.

The dev explained that the penalties wouldn't corrupt Clara in a way that turns her into a whore because she still has feelings for MC. Its all complicated so we will find out soon.
 

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I am assuming the penalties are just events to literally punish her but it can't be as bad as her getting involved with the villains who all can corrupt her piece by piece (the black guy is giving me really bad vibes).

I saw the scenarios like this in this update,

1) A wife who was forced to sacrifice even more of her dignity since her husband didn't help her

2) and a wife who was able to stay in control and finish the operation without any shame while feeling happy that her husband supported her.

The dev explained that the penalties wouldn't corrupt Clara in a way that turns her into a whore because she still has feelings for MC. Its all complicated so we will find out soon.
I dont know I think the dev plays mindgames and this update not helping her was the right call????no idea to be honest :eek: :eek:but I guess the penalties are VERY BAD obviously not the first one that is probably mild but they will get worse is my guess

2) and a wife who was able to stay in control and finish the operation without any shame while feeling happy that her husband supported her.
I think this is the bait of the dev
 

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I've tried to built a mac distro (using compressed version by SonsOfLiberty), but got this error.. can someone help it?

I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

Before loading the script.
ValueError: unsupported pickle protocol: 5

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
File "/Volumes/Resources 1/renpy-8.1.1-sdk/renpy/bootstrap.py", line 359, in bootstrap
renpy.main.main()
File "/Volumes/Resources 1/renpy-8.1.1-sdk/renpy/main.py", line 438, in main
renpy.loader.index_archives()
File "/Volumes/Resources 1/renpy-8.1.1-sdk/renpy/loader.py", line 250, in index_archives
index = handler.read_index(f)
File "/Volumes/Resources 1/renpy-8.1.1-sdk/renpy/loader.py", line 122, in read_index
index = loads(zlib.decompress(infile.read()))
File "/Volumes/Resources 1/renpy-8.1.1-sdk/renpy/compat/pickle.py", line 45, in loads
return cPickle.loads(s)
ValueError: unsupported pickle protocol: 5

Darwin-21.3.0-arm64-arm-64bit arm64
Ren'Py 7.7.0.23112501+nightly

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The dev explained that the penalties wouldn't corrupt Clara in a way that turns her into a whore because she still has feelings for MC
but arent in the game text specificly statet that this penalties should not be taken on the light shoulder?? and are designed to break her and other people that did this penalties if they could go back in time would not do them again:eek:

I think this game will be a rollercauster of emotions:KEK: and we will get tricked still no idea who the endboss is ?? is it the black guy?? is it leon??? is it the new boss that just prentends to be a moron but pulls the strings???
 
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