Java Corrupted Saviors [Release 58] [CSDev]

[Yddrasil]

Tiny correction to this part: If it´s red it means it will ruin a DIFFERENT CHOSEN´s distortion (Usually cuz it´ll cause a break that ruins it. This can be avoided by triggering the other chosen´s distortion first since that protects them from breaking in this way.)

You are not wrong; it's rare that it would break a different chosen (I think its a specific scene with T3 core broken and T1 minor unbroken) but that would show up as red as well. However if it breaks their own distortion it will show red too (which I think would be more common), as seen below:



I cheated to force 100M+ fear on day 1 (because I didn't have a save on hand to do so), and even without any other Chosens it would ruin her selected temptation distortion. I'll edit my original post for completeness.

 

[TheFakeOne23]

Oh fair enough, haven´t seen THAT yet, but good to know I guess.

 

[McHuman]

You are not wrong; it's rare that it would break a different chosen (I think its a specific scene with T3 core broken and T1 minor unbroken) but that would show up as red as well. However if it breaks their own distortion it will show red too (which I think would be more common), as seen below:

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I cheated to force 100M+ fear on day 1 (because I didn't have a save on hand to do so), and even without any other Chosens it would ruin her selected temptation distortion. I'll edit my original post for completeness.

Actually the only thing that matters is that the T2 Minor remains unbroken, whether or not the T1 is broken is irrelevant (though if unbroken the scene will break the T1 on top of the T2) as the scene involves the Core Vulnerability Chosen using an equivalent to that vulnerability's Defiler against the Minor Chosen.

 

[Yddrasil]

Bug? Report:

Propaganda's description seem to not have been updated following the buffs; have not seen if the effect was actually 100G, since I went aversionReign so I didn't bother checking.



And I am done with another campaign; told myself I won't abuse temptation and focus on aversion/negotiation instead, but I needed up with more tempts than aversion in the end anyways. A couple of thoughts:

1. Prism is bonkers strong; as in probably the strongest item in the game and not particularly close. Even relatively low cost Forsakens can break any T2s and trigger 10-turn orgies on day 2 against Judgment easily with that item, and the orgies deal double damage every turn too. Comparing it to other combat heavyweights like Thorny Wreath or any of the +300 circumstance items makes them feel inadequate.
2. Having played with Inferno Pepper, I am even more convinced that Tomorrow's Newspaper isn't all that good. Fruit of Knowledge is just so much better (perhaps its better stated as less situational) than Hot Tag, and I have not felt much issue with the lack of EE except on the first few loops, and I am to some degree avoiding rampage and tempts.
3. The whole heavyweight items set looks quite weird, with stuff like Qliphothic Easing or Pleasure Button being the same cost as Prism or Empty Vessel. There is no reason for them to be balanced, but I really fail to see why I would ever want to spend 50 influence on Pleasure Button.
4. Crown's Pantsu being 7 influence cost is wild; thought it would be one of the more expensive ones, since it affects bosses as well.
5. I felt like having high aversion achievement actively hurts me, making it so the Chosens start fleeing way too soon, making triggering Twisted Rewards extremely annoying. The lowered Orgy requirement after the first one feels completely pointless most of the time, since unlike tempt the requirement isn't increased for the final fight
6. The save was started before version 61, so since I didn't stack despair beforehand I never got the option to trigger despair. Would it be possible to make it at least trigger-able in day 1 no matter what? It was possible with old despair to trigger it late in the loop without achievements (I have Broken Psychometer and a 0% disgrace EE harvester).
7. negoLove doesn't have the "use Hostility for stamina regeneration"; nothing necessarily wrong with that, just wished I realised before pushing her obedience to 100% as with every other negotiated Chosen.
8. I have found that the most difficult fights are loops 11, 14, 16 to 18, with Victory, Love and Judgment being super easy in comparison. I think its mostly down to playstyle though, as I do Splendor first, making 11 and 14 painful with all the Splendor debuffs. The angel achievement is incredibly powerful for snowballing, and I keep most Forsakens until I have at least level 2 (which is probably way too greedy for little reward, also makes Splendor even more of a pain), and you want to click on every angel you see, making loop 16 to 18 very annoying with angel + devil fights common without the Spare bonuses being online yet.

Typical set of bonuses with no despair

Also for damage mitigation, the per level thing, is it multiplicative per trauma/circumstance level?

 

[Yddrasil]

Actually the only thing that matters is that the T2 Minor remains unbroken, whether or not the T1 is broken is irrelevant (though if unbroken the scene will break the T1 on top of the T2) as the scene involves the Core Vulnerability Chosen using an equivalent to that vulnerability's Defiler against the Minor Chosen.

You made me check and it appears that, according to the wiki at least, its both, and they might have to be enemies as well. Not going to lie I have seen version that break only 1 vulnerability while some break 2 so I am a bit confused; I'll be perfectly honest I don't read the downtimes/vignettes, and I am making liberal use of the delecte archives feature, so I am not sure of my recollection.

 

[McHuman]

You made me check and it appears that, according to the wiki at least, its both, and they might have to be enemies as well. Not going to lie I have seen version that break only 1 vulnerability while some break 2 so I am a bit confused; I'll be perfectly honest I don't read the downtimes/vignettes, and I am making liberal use of the delecte archives feature, so I am not sure of my recollection.

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Wiki might just be wrong there, since to confirm before making my comment I started up a single play game with cheats and rushed a T3 Core Mor Break with the Minor Mor Chosen having a T1 break, and the scene triggered.