Java Corrupted Saviors [Release 63b] [CSDev]

[Potatoeswastaken]

I evaluated, Disgrace vs EE cost and damage Dealt ,
the optimus value is 85 you are getting 10% damage for every EE spended. That's about 2.7 EE If im not wrong
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In theory yes, in practice no.

In this hypothetical you are saying that your Forsaken costs ~3EE, and whilst that may technically be optimal its the wrong way to look at it.

Think about what your actually trying to do, WHY are you deploying THIS Forsaken. By what metric are you judging whether their deployment is a sucess or a faliure?

For me the first Forsaken I currently deploy costs 6EE, they have a very clear goal, break T2 vulnerabilities and generate as much EE as possible. The surplus of EE generated this way allows me to deploy a more powerful Forsaken and start buying upgrades. In other word it progresses my game plan, if yours can do that then great! But don't focus solely on efficiency.

Also.at such a low cost the usefulness of your Forsaken will quickly be diminished as you get to higher loops.

 

[EchoEater]

Some ideas for custom chosen creation because apparently this is my new obsession (why can't I get obsessed with something that's actually useful or productive in terms of making a living). All of these are mainly inspired by making chosen that are characters from other media.

1. The ability to directly set the virginity status of a chosen.
2. More relationship types such as setting a pre-existing romantic relationship or enmity between two chosen.
3. With the ability to set custom sub-species for individual chosen, the option of a scaly tail would be appreciated for setting a custom animalistic chosen as a "reptilian" or "draconic" girl.

 

[Lunar_Zenith]

So, just curious as I cannot seem to have it actually functionally do anything, what exactly is the point/function of the "Approach" option in a Chosen's profile? Like, do I gain anything by doing it, is there even a reason to do it?

 

[Potatoeswastaken]

So, just curious as I cannot seem to have it actually functionally do anything, what exactly is the point/function of the "Approach" option in a Chosen's profile? Like, do I gain anything by doing it, is there even a reason to do it?

Currently I believe the only mechanical reason to do it is if your going for a negotiation distortion

 

[Nobody032]

Here ya go, you're interested in loop 13. As an FYI my main strategy is to use forsaken with pure expo and then tempt, as I don't take a penalty from high expo lvls. Not sure if its optimal but its crushed basically everything up to this point. Also most of my forsaken aren't super optimised as the ones that are just crush everything. You'll definitely find "Cheer" useful. Lmk how you fare!

That new twisted reward sure is annoying. I guess you will have to not deal any pleasure damage and just deal all the other Circumstances instead and keep the angel frozen till you can get an orgy to minimize reduction. Kinda impossible to do in your case while going for negotiation so was not able to get any new results.

Your strategy is good though I personally prefer wild style(Anti/Expo) over 1000% expo for tempt defiler as that gives a better state to follow up during surrounds imo. Also allows you to break t2 confidence along with t2 Dignity when you reach 10k DMG.

You kinda missed out on using Miracle's punisher which gives +800% victim Trauma damage if beaten with negotiation(Rn she gives +400% for you). I assume if you had gotten your tempted forsakens with this you would win easily as your early orgy would be even longer. There is also a self +200% trauma damage version of this. You can reach absurd trauma damage multipliers with it.

Btw you seem to not be using any undead ones in your run. You do know their ability right? They cost less than other forsaken to deploy and are able to regenerate both stamina and motivation by dealing trauma damage allowing you to spam them for a long time. If they get back 100% stamina you can get flying chosen with them which also has its uses. Also With high enough hostility(High hostility means lower motivation cost but easier tantrums )you can keep them at 100% motivation, making use of the max temptation bonus on each deployment.

Imagine a Trauma damage boosted(with earlier punishers) undead forsaken. You can have them at 3~5 ee cost and still be extremely effective.

Ps: If only you had tomorrow's newspaper. I am pretty sure it would be possible to deal with your situation with the commander I mentioned before.

 

[Comiies]

So ive started playing the game recently and have followed an anons guide on how your early to mid game loops should look like pretty faithfully.What i am really struggling with though is triggering orgies.Im either not doing enough dmg or flying imminent is fucking with my surrounds.I have networked concoiusness and 2 captures +3 durations.I get its a skill issue so thats why im asking for a more dumbed down explanation.

Here is my loop 1 chosen.

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[Potatoeswastaken]

So ive started playing the game recently and have followed an anons guide on how your early to mid game loops should look like pretty faithfully.What i am really struggling with though is triggering orgies.Im either not doing enough dmg or flying imminent is fucking with my surrounds.I have networked concoiusness and 2 captures +3 durations.I get its a skill issue so thats why im asking for a more dumbed down explanation.

Here is my loop 1 chosen.

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Firstly, I would highly recommended using distortions, their harder to achieve but much more powerful.

I can't really tell much based on what you've provided but I can say the following:
- If you keep having chosen start flying before you can orgy then focus on buying upgrades that extend the extermination and evacuation.
- A 3 turn commander isn't very strong increase the number of turns it'll make a world of difference
- You are right angst is your friend, increase it as much as possible for better results
- Expo is your friend high expo makes it alot easier to deal damage to the other chosen.
- Go look at the wiki:

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it gives alot of helpful advice
- Good Luck, I'm still relatively new so I know your pain

 

[Potatoeswastaken]

That new twisted reward sure is annoying. I guess you will have to not deal any pleasure damage and just deal all the other Circumstances instead and keep the angel frozen till you can get an orgy to minimize reduction. Kinda impossible to do in your case while going for negotiation so was not able to get any new results.

Your strategy is good though I personally prefer wild style(Anti/Expo) over 1000% expo for tempt defiler as that gives a better state to follow up during surrounds imo. Also allows you to break t2 confidence along with t2 Dignity when you reach 10k DMG.

You kinda missed out on using Miracle's punisher which gives +800% victim Trauma damage if beaten with negotiation(Rn she gives +400% for you). I assume if you had gotten your tempted forsakens with this you would win easily as your early orgy would be even longer. There is also a self +200% trauma damage version of this. You can reach absurd trauma damage multipliers with it.

Btw you seem to not be using any undead ones in your run. You do know their ability right? They cost less than other forsaken to deploy and are able to regenerate both stamina and motivation by dealing trauma damage allowing you to spam them for a long time. If they get back 100% stamina you can get flying chosen with them which also has its uses. Also With high enough hostility(High hostility means lower motivation cost but easier tantrums )you can keep them at 100% motivation, making use of the max temptation bonus on each deployment.

Imagine a Trauma damage boosted(with earlier punishers) undead forsaken. You can have them at 3~5 ee cost and still be extremely effective.

Ps: If only you had tomorrow's newspaper. I am pretty sure it would be possible to deal with your situation with the commander I mentioned before.

Yeah this is my first proper run so I'm still learning, so I've made quite a few mistakes unfortunately, thanks for the info though I'll keep it in mind for next time, I don't think I'll be able to win this time round without restarting the entire loop or letting some of the chosen die unfortunately.

I know about the undead but I'm just not very good at using them since up till this point I've only needed to rely on a few of my more powerful chosen and I've not had the time to train them properly.

 

[Potatoeswastaken]

That new twisted reward sure is annoying. I guess you will have to not deal any pleasure damage and just deal all the other Circumstances instead and keep the angel frozen till you can get an orgy to minimize reduction. Kinda impossible to do in your case while going for negotiation so was not able to get any new results.

Your strategy is good though I personally prefer wild style(Anti/Expo) over 1000% expo for tempt defiler as that gives a better state to follow up during surrounds imo. Also allows you to break t2 confidence along with t2 Dignity when you reach 10k DMG.

You kinda missed out on using Miracle's punisher which gives +800% victim Trauma damage if beaten with negotiation(Rn she gives +400% for you). I assume if you had gotten your tempted forsakens with this you would win easily as your early orgy would be even longer. There is also a self +200% trauma damage version of this. You can reach absurd trauma damage multipliers with it.

Btw you seem to not be using any undead ones in your run. You do know their ability right? They cost less than other forsaken to deploy and are able to regenerate both stamina and motivation by dealing trauma damage allowing you to spam them for a long time. If they get back 100% stamina you can get flying chosen with them which also has its uses. Also With high enough hostility(High hostility means lower motivation cost but easier tantrums )you can keep them at 100% motivation, making use of the max temptation bonus on each deployment.

Imagine a Trauma damage boosted(with earlier punishers) undead forsaken. You can have them at 3~5 ee cost and still be extremely effective.

Ps: If only you had tomorrow's newspaper. I am pretty sure it would be possible to deal with your situation with the commander I mentioned before.

Update;
Following your idea I deployed a hate/anti forsaken
Good news I've figured out a way to deal 100x the amount of damage
bad news its still only 1% of what I need for negotiation

I think the main issues are that twisted reward keeps activating so even if they start with low PLEA it ends up being /60K by the end. And animalistic are the most damage resistant chosen (at least that I've seen) so it ends up being a perfect storm of trauma reduction.