Java Corrupted Saviors [Release 70b] [CSDev]

[Qazex Saw]

Trying out distortions and damn does tying to do multiples get tricky.
Anyways, was trying to get a temptation and an aversion distortion when I learned aversion requires a 10-turn orgy and apparently orgies seem to require all chosen to have the same defiler action? Never realized that before.

Anyways, did some digging and am I correct in assuming that triggering temptation first will 'lock' the chosen into that and let me trigger an orgy with the aversion path chosen without ruining one or did I just make a really bad choice and do I need to settle for one distortion?

Edit:
Ooookay never mind.
Apparently a t3 innocence break on a rival also causes an innocence break and I wasn't paying attention to friendships at all due to trying to hash out these distortions and... the chosen I'm trying do an aversion distortion has a rival who's about to hit a t3 innocence distortion.
So like... did I fuck up?

 

[Name36346]

Trying out distortions and damn does tying to do multiples get tricky.
Anyways, was trying to get a temptation and an aversion distortion when I learned aversion requires a 10-turn orgy and apparently orgies seem to require all chosen to have the same defiler action? Never realized that before.

Anyways, did some digging and am I correct in assuming that triggering temptation first will 'lock' the chosen into that and let me trigger an orgy with the aversion path chosen without ruining one or did I just make a really bad choice and do I need to settle for one distortion?

Active distortions prevent automatic (T1, T3) breaks on forbidden vulns, but you still can do a manual forbidden break on T2. And yes, doing that will snap the chosen out of distortion.

However there is a trick specially for this case: orgy itself (adding the last chosen) is not considered a defiler and will not trigger a break even if done on forbidden vulnerability. The only catch is to raise necessary circumstance without triggering T1 break on not-yet-distorted girl.

And any non-confidence T3s can be postponed by simply never letting girl in question to get a turn on her own terms - try to keep her constantly surrounded/captured.

 

[RealEbbaBusch]

If you need help understand you can ask forum, lot people willing help if you’re confused. Also make sure check the guide.txt in folder

Oh yeah, I've read the majority of info on the forums already and read every guide file that was given. When I said that I barely understood shit i meant it as in "I do not know why I got here but I got here". I understand what I need to do to reach a certain conclusion but not necessarily why it works or the exact time it would take. Combined with things im sure I havent seen happen yet. I dont think the game is too complicated, but for me who has never really played this genre type before it gets confusing. Only other text-based game I've played was DoL but that one almost spoonfed you all the info.

For me, It's new. Which is what has really intrigued me. Since its been years since i last found a game genre that really suprised me in how unknowledgable i really was. Even more so that it came from a goddamn porn game. Last game would have had to been when i first got into the RTS genre with Starcraft 2 and that was about 6-7 years ago.

Even when I first tried out WoW for the first time back in november i still pretty much understood the core mechanics and systems in place by combining knowledge I had from other games. But my pre-existing knowledge isn't able to transfer over to this type of game. Which has made it more fun to try to learn. Even though i had to speed up the process by using cheats to get an overall image of the systems in place.

 

[Chekhovs_Ghost]

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Another thing I noticed, is that a T3 break interferes with ANOTHER chosen's temptation distortion plan! This wasn't in the guide.txt and I think it should be added. Really messed with my plans.

Of course seeing what happens at a T3 break, it's specifically if you're trying temptation distort someone with a minor in morality, when the one with core in morality gets T3 broken. So I get how it could be confusing to put it in.

So I guess I can see the logic of not adding it in. Of course the game does warn you once someone is ready to break T3, but perhaps then it's too late.

One question: Can you get the temptation first and then break T3?

 

[eidalac]

Oh yeah, I've read the majority of info on the forums already and read every guide file that was given. When I said that I barely understood shit i meant it as in "I do not know why I got here but I got here". I understand what I need to do to reach a certain conclusion but not necessarily why it works or the exact time it would take

Same, I've read it all but something is not clicking for me. I managed to get a couple of wins with cheats, but still don't really understand the correct actions in most situations.

From other posts i figure there is something very basic I'm just overlooking, but haven't figured what that is yet.

Or I'm just being dumb.

Either way, I'll eventually figure it out.

 

[haksaw]

Most important thing to understand is how penalties work. I talked about that in this post. And there a lot of tactics discussions around those pages, so you can check it.

 

[alex2011]

So I have a problem, I am essentially being prompted, the button is highlighted leading me to press it, to meet two of my current Chosen in the back alley area and then to negotiate, however, this leads to a scenario where I have no option to continue after I have done so as my forsaken have no options. This leaves me with no way to pass time.

Do I just ignore the purple buttons and move on to the next battle?

 

[Kalloi]

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Another thing I noticed, is that a T3 break interferes with ANOTHER chosen's temptation distortion plan! This wasn't in the guide.txt and I think it should be added. Really messed with my plans.

Of course seeing what happens at a T3 break, it's specifically if you're trying temptation distort someone with a minor in morality, when the one with core in morality gets T3 broken. So I get how it could be confusing to put it in.

So I guess I can see the logic of not adding it in. Of course the game does warn you once someone is ready to break T3, but perhaps then it's too late.

One question: Can you get the temptation first and then break T3?

You should be able to, I've had scenarios where I've T3 broken a chosen too early before getting the distortion properly on one of her teammates and to counteract this, I would either retreat when I felt the chosen was going to break their T3 or always have them captured or surrounded so they never had a chance to use it. If you get the distortion off the same battle the T3 is broken you'll be fine

 

[Kalloi]

So I have a problem, I am essentially being prompted, the button is highlighted leading me to press it, to meet two of my current Chosen in the back alley area and then to negotiate, however, this leads to a scenario where I have no option to continue after I have done so as my forsaken have no options. This leaves me with no way to pass time.

Do I just ignore the purple buttons and move on to the next battle?

That certainly seems like a bug from what you've described, could you upload your save and detail the process step-by-step?

 

[alex2011]

That certainly seems like a bug from what you've described, could you upload your save and detail the process step-by-step?

The save is actually a save from the thread with a tiny bit of progression and a massive amount of cheated energy via Cheat Engine. The one I've been using should be slot 1, but in case it is different, look for AlexCor in the name when loading.

All I did was progress normally one or two days while cheating up the evil energy value to get everything I could for each battle.

On the day where the save is set, the info button was highlighted purple, leading to two of the current Chosen in the save also being highlighted, Royal and Truth.

I selected each, hit approach, sent the body Foxy to each, progressed each as far as I could since I can't get their barriers down, and either they flew off automatically or I ended it myself manually with the button for that when they started saying they had enough.

After both were ended by either flying away or manually hitting the button, I had no option that allowed me to proceed with either Forsaken training or battles.

It did say I would not be able to attack when I hit negotiate, but I should still have other options like training.

 

[RealEbbaBusch]

Same, I've read it all but something is not clicking for me. I managed to get a couple of wins with cheats, but still don't really understand the correct actions in most situations.

From other posts i figure there is something very basic I'm just overlooking, but haven't figured what that is yet.

Or I'm just being dumb.

Either way, I'll eventually figure it out.

Erm. Well I mean, the things you have to do is either go for a distortion path which I found really easy using cheats. Or by corrupting each vulnerability with cheats which I found to be way more time consuming. I am no expert so ill probably have someone yell at me for being wrong. But the temptation distortion has been the easiest for me to achieve. I havent been able to get an aversion path because I always somehow break them passively.

Maybe if you explained why you lose? For the final battle I always use a pleasure commander on my temptation chosen and then when the others arrive i use tempt to instakill the first chosen. And then using my commander and surrounds to stop them from being able to complete the erradication while whittling them down.

Cheats make it laughably easy to win so idk how much you used the cheats or whatever.

 

[eidalac]

Maybe if you explained why you lose?

Well, if I understood why I loose I'd understand what I'm doing.

But in general, without cheats, I can at best get 1 girl corrupted and in the final battle I just get crushed before I can take any down.

in essence I'd say I'm being very inefficient and run out of time before I can get to the point where i snowball a victory.

I've seen how the snowball hits when I'm using cheats, but I just can't cross that point in normal play.

I've also custom created some choosen to match an exampling that was posted in the thread and followed that guide exactly and failed to get the results the poster had.

I figure there is something *very* basic I'm overlooking.

 

[RealEbbaBusch]

Well, if I understood why I loose I'd understand what I'm doing.

But in general, without cheats, I can at best get 1 girl corrupted and in the final battle I just get crushed before I can take any down.

in essence I'd say I'm being very inefficient and run out of time before I can get to the point where i snowball a victory.

I've seen how the snowball hits when I'm using cheats, but I just can't cross that point in normal play.

I've also custom created some choosen to match an exampling that was posted in the thread and followed that guide exactly and failed to get the results the poster had.

I figure there is something *very* basic I'm overlooking.

Maybe.

Checking each girl's summary thingy will let you see which type of attack they will take most damage from in the final battle. Now im no expert and havent tried a run without cheats. So im sure somebody more informed will have better answers maybe. But through their corruption they grow more weak to one specific type of attack, which is whatever corruption you focused on in your run. So using your pain attack against somebody who you've raised to be weak against fear attacks could lead to you dealing 1% resolve damage instead of 5% by using intimidate.

The damage you deal during the final battle is also multiplied by the amount of damage they've already taken throughout the fight. So if you captured a chosen using an injure commander then after they're released their pain will be really high. Using your attack command on them with the pain much higher will allow more resolve damage to be taken.

Also through the summary screen you will be able to see the amount of resolve they will have in the final battle. Through corruption you can lower it from the normal 100% resolve to (the least i saw) 40%. Meaning that you have to deal 60% less resovle damage in the final battle. So you want to choose to ambush the girl with the least amount of starting resolve so you can get her out the fastest meaning you can face 2 instead of 3 at the same time.

Now for actually corrupting the chosen to make it easier. I have no idea. As i still have yet to try a run without cheats. You said you could only get 1 girl corrupted before time was out. But why is that? Are you not able to corrupt them simultaneously during battles?

 

[eidalac]

You said ou could only get 1 girl corrupted before time was out. But why is that? Are you not able to corrupt them simultaneously during battles?

I can get 1 or 2 of them locked down, but there is always at least one I can't get a surround on and they pound my face in.

Unless I get that one item that gives a flat multiplier I am just not getting enough built up to juggle all 3 of them. Even with that I can't reliably get them in a cycle, or if I do one of them flies the next turn and ends me when they attack.

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here is an example fight I just tried.
New game, new chosen, unknown stats.



Round 1: Try attack, 72 pain.

Round 2: attack, 72 pain, gives an opening.

Round 3: Surround

Round 4: 1 pain level, 50% injury, so go for Humiliate.



Gets 37 exposure, 23 fear, 15 disgust, 8 pain and 17 shame.



So looking like fear may be a weak point?


Round 5: Threaten. 64 points

Round 6: Evacuation is done, 2 rounds to extermination.

threaten may get me 1 level of fear, but I need 3 to get an opening.

Won't hit 1k with attack, so will try slime to see what damage she takes.

66 points.

She rallies, so trauma is reduced.

Round 7: Try taunt. 32 points and another rally.

it's over next round, so this is a wash.

End the fight to get physic reading to check stats.



already has T2 innocence broken, slightly weak to fear, disgust and pain.
Weakest to Pleasure.


Reload for take 2.

Round 1.
Fear/Disgust/Pain all equal, so going to try to cycle them till they get to lvl 1 for a longer surround.
we'll see.

threaten for 64

Round 2: slime for 66

round 3: attack for 72

round 4: threaten for 64

round 5: slime for 66

round 6: attack for 63

round 7: Surround for 2 (could have skipped fear since it won't give me an opening)

round 8: caress

7/31/25/8 and 32 pleasure. not great.



round 9: try for Humiliate as exposure is 2nd weakest.

30/47/34/26 with 32 pleasure and 37 exposure.

Surround ends and she ends the fight.


Reload for Take 3: Much the same as 2 but skipping fear this time.

Round1/2: Slime
Round3/4: attack
Round 5: Surround.
Round 6/7: Caress/Humiliate
Round 8: round earlier but same overall results, maybe got 2 more rounds. Would need 70 on fear or same to get an opening, but won't get more than 66 and fear won't help. Taunt will get 32 based on the first go. Buggered but will try taunt.



Fails and fight ends that round.



Did better overall in the 2nd attempt but still pretty meh.

 

[haksaw]

First days don't matter, you won't achieve much no matter what you do. Usually just hitting her weakest vuln with basic attacks without surrounding will give you the best results.

 

[eidalac]

First days don't matter, you won't achieve much no matter what you do. Usually just hitting her weakest vuln with basic attacks without surrounding will give you the best results.

I mean that's what I do, till the last fight when I loose.

Then day 9, all 3 chosen involved:





No really good vulnerabilities to start with, so going with commander on Shadow since she is very weak to Hate/Injury.

Turn 1/2: Grind, Pummel.

Turn 3: Slime.
- Can't make fear/shame work right now, so going to try for Disgust and see if I can get fear up to level 1 before the 2nd chosen shows.
- Gets to Disgust lvl 1 so good.



Turn 4: Fear
- level 1 as well.

Turn 5: Shame.
- Level 1 on all, so she is setup for a 4 turn surround once fear is triggered.

Turn 6: Justice arrives, attack on Justice.
- will try to get her to level 1 pain for a quick surround to get fear active on Shadow.

Turn 7: Surround Justice (1 round)
- Purity shows up.
- I've got 1 round before they finish extermination.

Turn 8: Surround on Shadow (4 rounds)

Turn 9/10: Grind, Pummel

Turn 11: Threaten on Purity
- I have 2 more rounds on shadow, but ideally want to move to setup Purity for a surround.

Turn 12: Surround purity (1 round).

Turn 13: Humiliate.

fight ends.

3 EE, 14k angst on Justice, 6k on purity, 3K on shadow.

Not terrible, but probably would have been more productive to use all 4 turns on Shadow.

But this is pretty much how it works till the final fight for me, I never get any better than this.

 

[haksaw]

But this is pretty much how it works till the final fight for me, I never get any better than this.

You don't get better commander than 1 EE? 1 EE is only good if you have a girl you don't plan to touch in near future so you can pump couple thousands of angst in her so she won't stop giving you EE. Otherwise just wait for a better commander. 5 EE is usual working horse, but 3 EE can also work in some instances. Rule of thumb is you should get more EE from using a commander, if you can't make that happen you don't use it.

 

[eidalac]

I only had 1 EE, and just unlocked commander that day, so not like I could get anything better if I wanted to.

But no, I have never gotten more than 3 EE from a fight (outside of using cheats). If i didn't use a commander I'd probably only get 2 EE.

 

[zargal]

Haksaw has good advice there- for a beginner you should focus on using your EE to research then build a 5EE commander, which can be doable by day 12-15. For your first few days, you have two priorities during battles:
1-Get each revealed heroine to 200 trauma, which will get you 1 EE per day.
2-Reveal the 3 heroines ASAP. This requires you to prolong battles as much as possible, by using tactics (attack/slime etc) to build up surrounds then only using those surrounds the round before the battle would otherwise finish.
That's optimal play, it won't make a huge difference if you can't, for example, do enough damage to the third heroine when she first shows up. But following this generally will get you to earning 3EE/d as quickly as possible. Then it's a question of patience, where you save EE and just add trauma to each heroine. It's normal to feel you're wasting time waiting and in later tries you can streamline the process with your better skills.

 

[haksaw]

But no, I have never gotten more than 3 EE from a fight

You don't get EE from fights, you get EE from actions girls do in their downtime and those actions depend on their corruption lvls. So to get more EE from a girl you need to break her vulnerability in a single fight and she will be providing increased EE every day from that point on (if she has enough angst for that). You don't need to do smth good every single fight.