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Yea, it is a dumpster fire.

Also I went ahead and edited in screencap citations for the savin tantrum
Someone posted the screencaps for the tobs vs wsan thing a couple weeks ago so they might take more effort o find right now than I have patience for.

hmm, actually looking at the dates. I might have gotten the order of incidents mixed up. which would be even worse as it means savin was intentionally sabotaging fan favorite waifu when he helped tobs merge the drek scenes.
Found the grab of Wsan saying he's going to keep his stuff under lock and key from now on:
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I honestly hadn't seen that scene before, been a long time since I've lost a combat in CoC. So just read through it and... wow.
Yeah I wouldn't want to be anywhere near TOBS in real life, anything he takes issue with he seems to make these rage reactions to, like the Kinu quest stuff.
 

mrttao

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Found the grab of Wsan saying he's going to keep his stuff under lock and key from now on:
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I honestly hadn't seen that scene before, been a long time since I've lost a combat in CoC. So just read through it and... wow.
Yeah I wouldn't want to be anywhere near TOBS in real life, anything he takes issue with he seems to make these rage reactions to, like the Kinu quest stuff.
Thank you... added citations. those are very helpful.

and yea, those dates do show I got the timeline backwards.
instead of
> tobs tantrum
> savin duped by tobs to merge toxic content
> wsan locking down character
> savin tantrum

it was backwards
> savin tantrum
> tobs tantrum
> savin willful accomplice of tobs in sabotaging the character.
> wsan locking down character
 
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we don't know all we got was TOBS ragewriting the Hobgoblin Brienne Rape scene
And given how TOBS writes most of his scenes, I doubt people would like it for long.
Because of this thread I've started hunting down scenes I haven't bothered with before, and all of TOBS's are the same degradation material. Dick goes in and woman becomes a babbling ball of meat that you then end up slapping about while she does nothing but lie there. Goes on too long, and I don't recall agreeing anywhere to play an asshole who insults his sex-partners.

it was backwards
> savin tantrum
> tobs tantrum
> savin willful accomplice of tobs in sabotaging the character.
> wsan locking down character
This re-organization (assuming the Wsan post lines up with when it all happened and wasn't too long after the fact) is actually more disturbing to me, because it suggests it was Savin's retaliation against Wsan. Savin is their boss, and he allowed that content through after a rejection. TOBS's actions are like an attack dog that Savin set loose to punish an unruly employee.
 

Konstantinus

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How to recruit Berwyn?
i completed the Mistress Quest but there is no button to recruit him
Not possible anymore. Berwyn whas removed from being a companion because that woud be to much effort and hiring another writer for him would cost MONEY. So they just let his male companion version die and instead turn him like the cats into a tavern only female guest.
Honestly this game is one of those games where I hope it will sooner or later be abdoned or hastly finished so the community can instead put out this dumbsterfire and instead turn it into a beautiful piece of art.
 

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Let's be clear though, my dudes. That goblin scene ruined Brienne for exactly no one, and coupled with Wsan's reaction only really served to prove what kind of manchildren are running the show. Y'know, wouldn't want them discord lurkers reporting back that mission accomplished.

And actually, had Wsan said yes and had Tobs gone on to write Brienne as some monologuing idiot referred to as "foxcow slutwife" every two sentences, well that shit would've had a higher chance of getting the job done.
 

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I thought it was pretty obvious about the fact that they are men-children with how holier than they Savin and the others acted towards those that enjoyed the original CoC and certain content.
 
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Let's be clear though, my dudes. That goblin scene ruined Brienne for exactly no one, and coupled with Wsan's reaction only really served to prove what kind of manchildren are running the show. Y'know, wouldn't want them discord lurkers reporting back that mission accomplished.

And actually, had Wsan said yes and had Tobs gone on to write Brienne as some monologuing idiot referred to as "foxcow slutwife" every two sentences, well that shit would've had a higher chance of getting the job done.
yeah it just made it clear that TOBS is a raging asshole (if for whatever reason it wasn't clear or you didn't know)
 

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Tobs being Savin's attack douche is nothing new, a large part of the Kinu crap was a reaction to Savin's butthurt over Helspawn. Lots of BS brought up from stuff they wrote for FOE as well, like the den definitely reflects the poor reception Tobs rabbit den got there.
 
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i still can't wrap my mind around the fact he got pissed at the people simply asking for Helspawn incest to be finished which he started
Especially as it was content that many of us wouldn't have thought of if he hadn't started it. Most of my CoC characters choose the spiderboy option for her (in one form or another), and the only times I've picked the incest is because I've gone "Oh, well I guess as it's there."
 

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Especially as it was content that many of us wouldn't have thought of if he hadn't started it. Most of my CoC characters choose the spiderboy option for her (in one form or another), and the only times I've picked the incest is because I've gone "Oh, well I guess as it's there."
Yeah, incest isn't really something i'm into. Even when games go, "she's adopted so its not creepy, right?" But if Savin promised people something they shouldn't be surprised when people want them to deliver on it.
 

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i still can't wrap my mind around the fact he got pissed at the people simply asking for Helspawn incest to be finished which he started
I feel that's Savin's problems stem more from laziness than incompetence. He could wrangle the devs to stop the bickering and infighting, but that's just too much effort. And the fact he's pretty much running TiTS now with Fen's issues including this shitshow that doesn't bode well. That's not to say that incompetence isn't a issue as well though...
 

Shiro15

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I feel that's Savin's problems stem more from laziness than incompetence. He could wrangle the devs to stop the bickering and infighting, but that's just too much effort. And the fact he's pretty much running TiTS now with Fen's issues including this shitshow that doesn't bode well. That's not to say that incompetence isn't a issue as well though...
I also think its because the foundation of the company is pretty rotten to begin with. Since its a mixture commission writers and staffed writers. Ignoring the toxicity of the main staff. The commission writers are under no obligation to finish story-lines or meet deadlines. Though something tells me most staffed writers/coders aren't given deadlines either. Shit gets done when it gets done. Which is a pretty bad work ethic to have. I know from working as a commission editor/writer there has been times when I would do nothing just because I didn't feel like it. I only get paid if the work is accepted and when the work is done. The only reason most commission writers don't sit on their asses all day is because they have to finish up so they can find their next job. Savin and all the staffed writers get paid at the end of the month regardless of how much content the gets put out.

While I think its harsh to call the Patreon supporters pay pigs, if they don't get upset and start pulling funding from the project Savin and Co have no reason to improve the quality, or work hard.

I know Hugs was under some sort of deadline and not meeting it was part of reason Savin and co "claim" Hugs was let go, but I think it was something they came with to punish Hugs. Which becomes plausible to me when looking at the toxicity of the community. Can't prove so, whatever.

But, I guess my main point is the reason this game is constantly being sidetracked is because it is essentially a group of friends who got together to do a passion project, and soon realized that they don't really know their friends as well as they thought. And at least from my perspective it seems like they mostly stay together for the money. As, most of the writers appear to be doing their own thing in the story now. Which makes every character feel like they exist in a separate universe. CoC2 imo could be best described as a compilation of fan-fiction from people that hate each other.
 

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That is the curse of the Patreon system unfortunately. There is no incentive to finish anything if there is no lingering sense of urgency looming over their heads and people are willing to put up with your laziness/ incompetence for a crumb of something they want. Like the Bats situation with Bubs, it took this man 6 months to write a half assed and half finished content despite him saying he was "99%" done for the longest to the point where tobs was dunking on him for it.

But I can't hate them, only envy them as I wish I was in a position where I can keep falling face forward and my supporters would throw me even more money and defend my retardation.
 

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But, I guess my main point is the reason this game is constantly being sidetracked is because it is essentially a group of friends who got together to do a passion project, and soon realized that they don't really know their friends as well as they thought. And at least from my perspective it seems like they mostly stay together for the money. As, most of the writers appear to be doing their own thing in the story now. Which makes every character feel like they exist in a separate universe. CoC2 imo could be best described as a compilation of fan-fiction from people that hate each other.
Ain't that the truth. Many people have already pointed out how disjointed everything feels, and I could go on and on about even more crap that just doesn't make a lick of sense. It really goes to show how important project management is. It's about the least sexy thing, but properly managing your people, setting deadlines, and making sure they don't do crap like what we see here is vital for a project with as big of scope as as CoC 2. While I don't expect the height of professionalism from porn game creators, basic shit like "don't be a raging asshole" and "keep egos in check" is expected.
 

Shiro15

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That is the curse of the Patreon system unfortunately. There is no incentive to finish anything if there is no lingering sense of urgency looming over their heads and people are willing to put up with your laziness/ incompetence for a crumb of something they want. Like the Bats situation with Bubs, it took this man 6 months to write a half assed and half finished content despite him saying he was "99%" done for the longest to the point where tobs was dunking on him for it.

But I can't hate them, only envy them as I wish I was in a position where I can keep falling face forward and my supporters would throw me even more money and defend my retardation.
I think curse is the appropriate way to describe patreon success. But, I don't envy them in the slightest. While I want be successful as a writer, I never want to have an ego so big no-one can criticize me. Humility is an important trait to for anyone seeking to improve. Not just in the arts, but sports, in tech, entertainment, and so on. While it is embarrassing to go back and look at some of my past work and realize how garbage my writing was at one point. Its part of the process of becoming a better author. And no-one should ever run from that.
 
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