Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.27] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Mandoto]

Seriously I don't know how the hell their fandom hasn't revolted with the literal religion of grooming.

I think it comes with the territory, unfortunately. I also think that the devs simply stating that the religion entirely based around being a whore in no way grooms the children born into it, is enough for the dickriding fanbase to believe without any further thought or investigation of their own.

 

[harem.king]

Who?

Bethesda = the company that made Skyrim
Todd Howard = the owner of Bethesda executive producer of bethesda for decades now (edit: corrected info)
Fenoxo = the guy who made corruption of champions 1

 

[smithsmithsmith]

I think it comes with the territory, unfortunately. I also think that the devs simply stating that the religion entirely based around being a whore in no way grooms the children born into it, is enough for the dickriding fanbase to believe without any further thought or investigation of their own.

I mean we're talking about a fantasy setting of their design, if they say there's no grooming then there's no grooming, simple. Sure in a real world setting you couldn't trust that at all, but again this is a fantasy setting so applying real world logic is a waste of everyone's time.

 

[Duderino]

Word of god can't really override how they present it in the story, its not even the first time they have this problem as people raised similar points with new texas and the treatment in tits with how they wrote it and Reaha's story

Its basically a consequence of them trying to have more "serious worldbuilding" but still writing everything as turboslut degenaracy, in coc1 it works since the setting is a post apocalyptic fuckhole but them trying to get a bit more serious with tits and coc2 ends up going against the nature of it being a porn game

If you write a sex cult that fucks everything with a pulse and the way they get new members is by getting pregnant for money and raising said children in the cult then youre not gonna shake off the groomer sex cult vibes

Its also why the main plot of coc2 is kinda flat but i dont think anyone takes it seriously by this point anyway, trying to stop kas from "corrupting" the world is a pretty limp goal when the world is already full on degeneracy and if you follow the romance path then your romance with her and with aileh, who are supposed to be the villains, ends up being more wholesome than almost anything with your companions, like the most degen thing about the kas romance is that you need to build cait's sex cult temple to continue it

 

[zwere]

Tod Howard = the owner of Bethesda

Todd Howard works for Bethesda as a producer, he doesn't own the company. He might have stocks in the company after working there for so long, but he's not the owner.

 

[smithsmithsmith]

Word of god can't really override how they present it in the story, its not even the first time they have this problem as people raised similar points with new texas and the treatment in tits with how they wrote it and Reaha's story

Its basically a consequence of them trying to have more "serious worldbuilding" but still writing everything as turboslut degenaracy, in coc1 it works since the setting is a post apocalyptic fuckhole but them trying to get a bit more serious with tits and coc2 ends up going against the nature of it being a porn game

If you write a sex cult that fucks everything with a pulse and the way they get new members is by getting pregnant for money and raising said children in the cult then youre not gonna shake off the groomer sex cult vibes

This is a setting where you can cover someone in grease, set them on fire, then flash your tits and end the encounter sucking them off. You can say it's terrible writing and completely unimmersive but to say it doesn't make sense is pointless, the setting doesn't make sense to begin with so all we can do is take them at face value.

The new texas debacle was even more rediculous. It's a whole planet of bimbos, you can't get any more blatant fetish fuel and yet people decided to take it seriously for the sole purpose of making themselves upset.

 

[NODOGAN]

Its also why the main plot of coc2 is kinda flat but i dont think anyone takes it seriously by this point anyway, trying to stop kas from "corrupting" the world is a pretty limp goal when the world is already full on degeneracy and if you follow the romance path then your romance with her and with aileh, who are supposed to be the villains, ends up being more wholesome than almost anything with your companions, like the most degen thing about the kas romance is that you need to build cait's sex cult temple to continue it

I remember the first years of this game I ended up ALWAYS fighting Kasyrra cuz back then I believed this was a continuation of CoC1 and I wanted to do a purity run.

Nowadays Kassyrra and Aileh are 2 of the best romance options this game has and I never turn them down lol.

 

[Alterism]

I mean we're talking about a fantasy setting of their design, if they say there's no grooming then there's no grooming, simple. Sure in a real world setting you couldn't trust that at all, but again this is a fantasy setting so applying real world logic is a waste of everyone's time.

Word of god says there's no grooming. The game itself details a very different kind of upbringing. I talked about it awhile back;
https://f95zone.to/threads/corrupti...-savin-salamander-studios.11371/post-10741813

Everything talked about on this particular topic is taken right out of the game.
Secondly suspending disbelief doesn't mean there's no narrative cohesion and literally anything can go. Because if we're going that insane of a degree in defense of poor planning any character in the game can spontaneously combust as there's no rule stating that they can't. There's logic to the game's world and it generally follows it.

Which is why demon non-imp pregnancy isn't a thing, Alissa was irredeemable, imps are soulless, gods are wraiths, and all assortment of things that only function when taking them completely straight.\

how they wrote it and Reaha's story

That was a bit of a mistake. And Reaha coming with such heavy handed lore on the darkside of treatment slaps a little given she virtually gets abandoned. While Big T acknowledges that treatment itself isn't necessarily a good thing in how it's administered (given that it's literally compulsory) that's a stain that people (in the meta sense) do their best to look past.

Ah hell, let's just edit it in. That was a stupid narrative, a bad decisions, and a heavy handed attempt to add depth without any willingness to follow through. And for an NPC that essentially never got touched ever again. I can't believe it was let in as it was. Not even any adjustments either. "Hey actually the growing up on NT is actually kind of a hell and escape is insanely difficult".

What the hell was Savin thinking?
There's that, what happened to Myrellion, that on the spot under duress marriage, Natalie Irson.
Honestly just a ton of bad ideas or half baked under-delivered ideas.

 

[smithsmithsmith]

Word of god says there's no grooming. The game itself details a very different kind of upbringing. I talked about it awhile back;
https://f95zone.to/threads/corrupti...-savin-salamander-studios.11371/post-10741813

Except yet again, all of this is predicated on real world logic. This setting is sex positive to a rediculous degree, almost as if it's a game where the primary focus is porn. This doesn't fit the legal definition of grooming as we understand it because there is no abuse, sex isn't viewed as shameful and whore priestess is a legitimate lifestyle. It's basically a porn game version of boarding school, complete with embarassing communal changing rooms.

 

[harem.king]

Todd Howard works for Bethesda as a producer, he doesn't own the company. He might have stocks in the company after working there for so long, but he's not the owner.

fixed. thank you

 

[harem.king]

Except yet again, all of this is predicated on real world logic.

This is just silly. If you see X happening, and dev says "it is a fantasy so don't trust your own lying eyes", then dev is full of shit.

Suspension of disbelief does not mean "toss logic out the window".
We can suspend our disbelief and accept that magic is real, that a bunch of hedonist mages in a mountain produced an infecious self replicating "corruption" energy, that this energy can push a soul out of a person and replace it's function, which turns that person into a demon.

But what we can't accept is for dev to show us something and say to ignore it. We cannot accept when dev just breaks his own rules and says "lol, its magic bruh, I don't have to explain tits"
This kind of behavior results in broken suspension of disbelief.

There is a step beyond willing suspension of disbelief called Bellisario maxim / MST3K mantra / leave your brain at the door.
Which demands fans to ignore small plot holes because "limited budget" and "small team".

You seem to be going a step further beyond Bellisario. And into the territory of communist propaganda.
"Ignore your lying eyes citizens. Doublethink is mandatory and is doubleplusgood"

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[Alterism]

Except yet again, all of this is predicated on real world logic. This setting is sex positive to a rediculous degree, almost as if it's a game where the primary focus is porn. This doesn't fit the legal definition of grooming as we understand it because there is no abuse, sex isn't viewed as shameful and whore priestess is a legitimate lifestyle. It's basically a porn game version of boarding school, complete with embarassing communal changing rooms.

What do you mean predicated on real world logic? It's what it is and some of what it is draws on real world common sense.

Cait goes out of her way in other conversations to say how the initiates weren't exposed to anything too racy until they came of age.
What is of age in this world?

Well no brainer it's spelled out. 18.
Yet in other conversations, such as what was outlined and listed, she'd seen more than what she should have seen as regarded by other conversation points.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Bad writing is bad writing and the logic you're using is the same logic that bad critics use to excuse the deteriorating quality of various other medium that has already been thoroughly deconstructed and rebutted by people more passionate about these topics than I am. "Ah well it's made for 'X' or it's just a 'Y" so it's okay to be bad."

Yes it's a fantasy world so nothing matters and no logic applies whatsoever and everything is up to interpretation, right? I disagree.

Secondly these statements and observations wouldn't even be brought up if they weren't written.
Gianna isn't that bad, her owner was just an ass. What happened to Yammi kinda sucks but Iced Teats (heh) isn't actually part of the NT exosystem. Only Reaha tries to explore darker angles for no reason whatsoever. Myrellion was supposed to be a traditional gold good red bad story that got mishandled into the disaster it is right now, that nobody will ever touch or resolve for no good reason.

When you open the door to deeper narrative, you open yourself up to criticism. And this criticism was that the religion should have never been explored or explained if it was going to be done so comically poorly.

 

[Skandranon]

like the most degen thing about the kas romance is that you need to build cait's sex cult temple to continue it

Welllll, she does have a BDSM dungeon iirc full of pregnant unwilling torture victims.

In which your character can decide to "punish" her by banging her in front of said victims.

 

[harem.king]

Welllll, she does have a BDSM dungeon iirc full of pregnant unwilling torture victims.

In which your character can decide to "punish" her by banging her in front of said victims.

Which one of them. kas or cait?

 

[smithsmithsmith]

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I'm not sure how to explain more clearly without getting into subjective morality and I'm really not invested enough to have that conversation. I only responded in the first place because someone implied that anyone not perpetually frothing at the mouth about the temple is probably a pedo and that kind of dismissive tribalism is a bugbear of mine.

 

[zwere]

Except yet again, all of this is predicated on real world logic. This setting is sex positive to a rediculous degree, almost as if it's a game where the primary focus is porn. This doesn't fit the legal definition of grooming as we understand it because there is no abuse, sex isn't viewed as shameful and whore priestess is a legitimate lifestyle. It's basically a porn game version of boarding school, complete with embarassing communal changing rooms.

I think the issue people are having isn't the cat temple grooming. No one cares about the imaginary children living in Savin and Tobs' heads. It's that there's no consistancy when it comes to who gets morally judged. The only difference between "bad" cultists that do horrendous shit and Kassyra/baby temple cats is that on the one side you have a dude named Tollus that no writer/reader lusts after, and on the other side you have characters to simp for. Yeah Tollus is a piece of shit scumbag, but so is Kassyra. Only difference is which one appears in Savin's wet dreams. There's no coherency there outside of bias. The hypocrisy in the writing is just beyond blatant, to the point where you start to question why they bother trying to write serious plot/lore when they'd just be better served sticking to the porn and writing around that instead of trying to poorly craft a setting.

 

[thecatcameback]

Tollus 2024, let's make cults honest again.

 

[Tsubuhaza]

Sounds more like CoC3 will be announced soon.

CoC3 - Futas on Parade

 

[harem.king]

I'm not sure how to explain more clearly without getting into subjective morality

Subjective morality has nothing to do with this.
We are arguing about reality, not morality.

Morality: "Is X a good or a bad thing?"
Reality: "Did X happen?"

You are trying to argue that, even if I we all saw X happen with your own eyes, it didn't because authority figure (dev) said it didn't. This is simply the authority figure lying. And demanding I engage in doublethink.

I know X happened because I saw it. We all saw it.
I believe X is evil, because of my morality. But that is irrelevant to the argument.

 

[harem.king]

I only responded in the first place because someone implied that anyone not perpetually frothing at the mouth about the temple is probably a pedo and that kind of dismissive tribalism is a bugbear of mine.

This is literally the exact opposite of what you were replying to.

Word of god says there's no grooming. The game itself details a very different kind of upbringing. I talked about it awhile back;
https://f95zone.to/threads/corrupti...-savin-salamander-studios.11371/post-10741813

Like. Whatever the word of god or intent was. Most people are either going to either knowingly make concessions because "it's a porn game". Or just accept what it is.
What that is is grooming children in a whorehouse, to work at the whorehouse upon adulthood.
Not taking a particular high horse or anything here, mind you. I'm just calling a spade a spade.

> Not taking a high horse
> Call a spade a spade

At no point has Alterism ever argued that "anyone who is not frothing at the mouth in rage against this is a pedo". That is literally the opposite of what he actually said.