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arls120

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I do wonder if PC will have option to be treated as a guy on Brints x Champions wedding. Not really into being forced to play "the Bride" part.
I think that Wsan will keep it neutral to be able to use it in different versions.

Now the question is what the honeymoon will be like.
 

M0nte

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I hope that it is sweet.; and I hope that I get to top our mino husband.

Still, I hope that Brint and Quin are not only guys I get to marry, for I am not that into them. Wonder if Elyon or Berwyn will be possible hubbies.
 
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arls120

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I imagine that he could have the option to fuck or be fucked, I even hope that on the honeymoon brint will want to experiment and add threesome scenes (I don't know why but I really would like a threesome scene with brint and who)

A marriage with berwyn I think it will be possible but elyon is from tobs if it is not known if it would be possible.
 

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I'd say it's a problem if you want your characters to feel more human and if you want them taken seriously. A bit harder to do that if you meet someone and immediately fuck/get fucked by them. I feel like Brienne could've been much more impactful and organic if you didn't get the option to fuck her right away and got to explore her new femininity with her, and by proxy, have her fall in love with the PC over time rather than an immediate thing. Sort of like Fisianna from TiTS, or a ton of CoC characters like Urta, Helia, and Kiha. Gradual relationships is something CoC 1 does WAYYYYYY better than this game and it makes things feel more natural and the pay-off greater for when you actually get to do the deed with them. Granted the game isn't finished yet, but I doubt they'll change my mind on that.

Basically I just want the characters to have more depth. We already have a TON of different characters but they're all surface level, I want one where I can really sink my teeth into rather than just have a sampling of everything, y'know?
While I somewhat agree, I think gradual relationships in this game is impractical. Look at their update speed, if they don't get to the point quickly then it'll be years before then. Then there's just the race for popularity. Is the NPC who you can't really do anything with going to outshine the one with a ton of sexual content in a porn game? Then there's just writers who lose interest or leave before finishing their character for one reason or the other.
 
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Skandranon

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I'd say it's a problem if you want your characters to feel more human and if you want them taken seriously. A bit harder to do that if you meet someone and immediately fuck/get fucked by them. I feel like Brienne could've been much more impactful and organic if you didn't get the option to fuck her right away and got to explore her new femininity with her, and by proxy, have her fall in love with the PC over time rather than an immediate thing.
Yeah, I've said this same thing a few times. Her content is very abrupt.
Then again, everyone seems to love her like she is now, so I don't know how useful my opinion on the subject is.

Sort of like Fisianna from TiTS, or a ton of CoC characters like Urta, Helia, and Kiha. Gradual relationships is something CoC 1 does WAYYYYYY better than this game and it makes things feel more natural and the pay-off greater for when you actually get to do the deed with them.
I'm pretty sure you sexed/could sex all those characters immediately. In fact, I think you have to bang Urta on first meeting her in the bar or she gets super depressed and you can't talk to her anymore, and I think Helia victory/loss sex has to happen before she progresses any.
I don't remember Kiha's content that well, but I'm pretty sure it also opened with a fight that leads to sex.

Idk, I'm not sure I feel as positively about the "gradual" relationships in CoC1, because most of them just involved repeating the same scenes a bunch of times and/or lots of waiting, like the long wait for Amily to pop out enough kids to actually join your camp.

Basically I just want the characters to have more depth. We already have a TON of different characters but they're all surface level, I want one where I can really sink my teeth into rather than just have a sampling of everything, y'know?
I get it. I feel the same way. That being said, I feel like they're doing a lot better in that regard than TiTs, so I'm okay with the current trajectory.

I also think the Patreon model is slightly to blame, but that's a longer conversation.



Weird logic but okay.
It's actually perfect logically.

Subtract the unnecessary parts of the dude, sub them with a hot girl.

Futa x female is factually straighter than regular porn, because there's less dude.

Facts.
 

Daken9

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While I somewhat agree, I think gradual relationships in this game is impractical. Look at their update speed, if they don't get to the point quickly then it'll be years before then. Then there's just the race for popularity. Is the NPC who you can't really do anything with going to outshine the one with a ton of sexual content in a porn game? Then there's just writers who lose interest or leave before finishing their character for one reason or the other.
It depends how you make gradual, in my opinion. Everyone sending you on a 34953495834958349 word adventure to unlock their pants like the orc blacksmith does would be a goddamn nightmare, but a few more cow teachers with small and concise questlines would be nice and doable.

I also don't think that stuff would need to be entirely sexless, since ultimately we're talking about a porn game and sex is the vehicle. Again, in cases where it fits the character (like the cow teacher) then sure, but with Brienne for example an emotional escalation would've worked quite great in tandem with a sexual one (hj, to bj, and so forth). Could've even squeezed some of that degenerate 'from best bud to best lay' in there :BootyTime:
 

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While I somewhat agree, I think gradual relationships in this game is impractical. Look at their update speed, if they don't get to the point quickly then it'll be years before then. Then there's just the race for popularity. Is the NPC who you can't really do anything with going to outshine the one with a ton of sexual content in a porn game? Then there's just writers who lose interest or leave before finishing their character for one reason or the other.
I don't think they're impractical if you allow the PC to have sex with the character while still developing their relationship with the PC over time. That's how the other games did it, and I feel it works out fine like that. Maybe you could unlock extra scenes for getting closer to the person or have the existing scenes change a little bit for them after becoming intimate. Or hell, if it's a minor NPC you could just do an expedited version of it like for Rags.

Yeah, I've said this same thing a few times. Her content is very abrupt.
Then again, everyone seems to love her like she is now, so I don't know how useful my opinion on the subject is.
I won't get into a whole spiel about it, but people don't love her because she instantly falls in love with you. At least that's not why I do.
I'm pretty sure you sexed/could sex all those characters immediately. In fact, I think you have to bang Urta on first meeting her in the bar or she gets super depressed and you can't talk to her anymore, and I think Helia victory/loss sex has to happen before she progresses any.
I don't remember Kiha's content that well, but I'm pretty sure it also opened with a fight that leads to sex.
It takes a while to be able to fuck Fisianna but anyway: Being able to sex them right off the bat isn't something I have a problem with. Whether you're able to do that or not, all I really care about is having things progress more naturally and to have an emotional connection with the characters.
Idk, I'm not sure I feel as positively about the "gradual" relationships in CoC1, because most of them just involved repeating the same scenes a bunch of times and/or lots of waiting, like the long wait for Amily to pop out enough kids to actually join your camp.
Even just something as simple as repeating scenes can do a lot in my mind to "show" a gradual build-up to a relationship. Spend enough time fucking a person, even if it's just platonic, you start to learn a few things and get closer to them. Well that's if they aren't incredibly cold or hate you, but still.

Regardless, it could just be done like Fisianna where you go on actual dates and everything to get closer to her.
I get it. I feel the same way. That being said, I feel like they're doing a lot better in that regard than TiTs, so I'm okay with the current trajectory.
I don't think doing better than TiTS in this aspect is really anything to compliment. There's a good reason most porn games don't have dozens upon dozens of characters you can fuck.
 

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Way I see it, having sex in these games is like getting a beer with someone. You're buds, you're horny, what's there to think about? I don't think locking sex behind walls of text is what makes good characters (that isn't to say that can't work), but if the character grows closer to you over time that makes them good.

It's a weak example because it's about dominance rather than love but look at Berwyn. You have enough of the right kind of sex with him, and he acts differently with you and will even father a child with you. Now just replace the "sex to get different sex" with different activities that showcase your growing bond as two people rather than fuckbuddies. Example: getting closer to Brint by playing skeeball together, chilling by a lake, getting beers at a pub other than any one Cait would frequent, going to a sports game, and it showcases the emotional connection rather than the physical. Show the player that the two of you have bonded yknow?
 

arls120

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I seriously wonder who are the people who would like to marry Takahiro and share it with Azami... I know I should respect the tastes of others but sometimes I have my doubts. Well you have to cross your fingers and be lucky that this has the option of marrying taka and sending azami elsewhere because I don't see the grace in helping takahiro improve just to be a concubine or a second violin I already want see how people in the fenoxo forum invent various praises about this.
 

Skandranon

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I won't get into a whole spiel about it, but people don't love her because she instantly falls in love with you. At least that's not why I do.
Oh that's not what I was saying, just that it doesn't seem to be a barrier to people liking her.

Even just something as simple as repeating scenes can do a lot in my mind to "show" a gradual build-up to a relationship. Spend enough time fucking a person, even if it's just platonic, you start to learn a few things and get closer to them. Well that's if they aren't incredibly cold or hate you, but still.
Eh, I'm gonna have to disagree with you in this specific case. I hate repeating scenes with no change, I'd much rather just skip past all that.

Regardless, it could just be done like Fisianna where you go on actual dates and everything to get closer to her.
Let me say this: I hated Fisianna. The author basically seemed to be shoehornong a character that was a better fit for an actual VN into a game she wasn't suited for, and I feel like it suffered for it. I'm not sure that I'd like to see more of that kind of content at all.

I don't think doing better than TiTS in this aspect is really anything to compliment. There's a good reason most porn games don't have dozens upon dozens of characters you can fuck.
Most of those other games aren't as successful as this one either, though. At the end of the day, all the stuff we're talking about has to be balanced with what makes money, and for better or for worse, the current formula has made this game one of the most successful porn games ever.

That's not to say it couldn't or shouldn't improve, but deviating specifically to emulate far less successful games isn't a move anyone would make.
 
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