Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.31] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[BakugoV8]

Lolno, CoC2 specifically has very good coders comparatively. It's head above usual ren'py coders and rpgmaker games.

Does it though? I fully believe that they're better than the average renpy/rpgmaker dev but they're not good.
Every time new content is added it almost always comes with blatant mistakes, like nobody bothers to test it before putting out the patch.
For example, in the latest patch, one of Rune's scenes has a first time variation but not only is the flag check inverted, the flag is also never actually set when you finish the scene so you always get the repeat version.
I'm not saying this is entirely the fault of the coders but still.

 

[M0nte]

Thought I could fuck his butt. They baited me with his character art.

Same, dude, same...

 

[Shalls210]

think it possible to change Berwyn into a female as well ?

 

[M0nte]

think it possible to change Berwyn into a female as well ?

It will be. B, his new wrtier, explained everything in nice detail in his own thread on the forums.

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read everything from this page onward related to him.

 

[Malcowitz]

Tbh, Brint doesn't really annoy me; I just find it fucking beyond backwards to focus on cuck-lite content when you commission art, even if I understand you can't picture the MC. If it was just a scene it would be the good old "haha, COC2 morons don't understand the whole point of videogames is interactivity and voyerism doesn't work when there's no thrill of danger" but there's

Imagine being so insecure you view keeping Brint, a total bro, as being "cucked".

the companions literally belong to you and it's absolutely cucked to be putting commissioned art into those scenes instead of ones for the player

I honestly don't know if Brint is a bro because the Brienne transformation leads to pregnancy, lactation and is the only legitimate transformation in the fucking game so I've never really used him at all; he literally can't be better than Brienne and you can only choose one sooooo

Like the literal fucking point of these companions should be that we can shift and transform them, then preggo them and so on and thus far they've been incredibly fucking weak. Turboslut irritates me on a personal level, Brint is just too inferior to Brienne for me to use them, the wolf dude or whatever just reminds me of his sister being better, there's some dumb fucking fox big dick trap that you can't de-dick because the author of the char is a trash tier sub-mongloid and doesn't understand you write for the audience and uhhh, now there's really headless celtic stereotype (which thank fuck doesn't start speaking gaelic like the incredibly cringe Icelandic speaker in TITS)

That leaves my sissy, my waifu and my dick waifu as actual good NPCS. To be honest I'd rather have Lusamine than any of those other losers

 

[Duke Greene]

To be blunt, your tastes appear to be way too "straight male" for this game. I'm not saying this to be disparaging, it's just that these games have always attracted a substantial amount of female, bi and/or gay players so it's absolutely not surprising the devs would remember to cater to them from time to time.

Point taken on Brienne though: the lack of worthwhile TFs has been a point of criticism for a while and it's a legitimate one imo.

 

[destroyerofassholes]

Okay so, I have a gripe that I'd like to bring up here, because it's pretty irritating to see happen on the main forum. And as for why I mentioned this here, dunno just wanted to vent about this; seeing as I know nobody would be capable of doing so on the main forum.

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It seems like this question was ignored. Almost as though if they don't wanna address something they just dip.

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It's pretty interesting that they're transparent about the fact that they're not releasing sufficient content to keep up with the coders. One would think that that would imply that the coders would then take that extra time to fix all the bugs in the game, yet that doesn't seem to be the case either - especially with the question on the issue effectively being dodged.

And yeah, the bug reports span all the way back to 2018, with some in 2018, 2019 and 2020 (as well as 2021, in reference to the question) not seeing a response to this very day. Seems like the coders hop on for a bit and fix the most recent page of bug reports then ignore the sub-forum for another month or so (ignoring the fact that some months can have 4+ pages of bug reports, so only addressing the first page leaves all the others to slip through the cracks).

Not to mention they act snarky and condescending with people's bug reports, often saying "couldn't replicate" and then never addressing it ever again - even though it has a definite probability of being able to be replicated. Additionally, in the past a coder has claimed something is obviously not a bug, yet they said that in totally different thread and not in reply to the bug report thread in question... leaving the user to have to close / dismiss their own bug report - instead of them just doing the obvious, as well as bare minimum - replying directly to the user's bug report thread in the first place.

Also worth mentioning, when the coders don't reply to a bug report thread, it then puts the onus on the user who reported it to test it each patch in order to determine whether the bug still persists. Not the best environment at all, and just makes the whole process laughably pointless. Almost as though they don't really care about fixing the game or just informing / providing feedback to the players who actually bother to report issues.

Really funny to have the "Editing by YOU. Do your part to combat the bug/typo menace. Report errors

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." in-game, yet not taking a lot of those reports seriously in the slightest.

But Savin's post here makes very little sense. He also says stuff like "This and this are done, just waiting on it being coded in" very often, only to wait for months on end for shit to actually be added.

 

[zwere]

To be blunt, your tastes appear to be way too "straight male" for this game.

That leaves my sissy, my waifu and my dick waifu as actual good NPCS.

He's making some pretty big concessions for a straight male. Jokes aside, I think you should tone down the inflammatory language, Malcowitz. If you want to be taken seriously, at least. Nothing wrong with talking shit and ranting but if all you spew is bile it gets a bit redundant.

 

[destroyerofassholes]

Tbh, Brint doesn't really annoy me; I just find it fucking beyond backwards to focus on cuck-lite content when you commission art, even if I understand you can't picture the MC. If it was just a scene it would be the good old "haha, COC2 morons don't understand the whole point of videogames is interactivity and voyerism doesn't work when there's no thrill of danger" but there's
the companions literally belong to you and it's absolutely cucked to be putting commissioned art into those scenes instead of ones for the player

I honestly don't know if Brint is a bro because the Brienne transformation leads to pregnancy, lactation and is the only legitimate transformation in the fucking game so I've never really used him at all; he literally can't be better than Brienne and you can only choose one sooooo

Like the literal fucking point of these companions should be that we can shift and transform them, then preggo them and so on and thus far they've been incredibly fucking weak. Turboslut irritates me on a personal level, Brint is just too inferior to Brienne for me to use them, the wolf dude or whatever just reminds me of his sister being better, there's some dumb fucking fox big dick trap that you can't de-dick because the author of the char is a trash tier sub-mongloid and doesn't understand you write for the audience and uhhh, now there's really headless celtic stereotype (which thank fuck doesn't start speaking gaelic like the incredibly cringe Icelandic speaker in TITS)

That leaves my sissy, my waifu and my dick waifu as actual good NPCS. To be honest I'd rather have Lusamine than any of those other losers

I can see why you wouldn't like not being able to transform or do much in total with many of the companions of the game. I can also see why you'd be pissed at characters getting scenes with other characters when you might feel possessive over them, seeing as the game is essentially a harem simulator for a lot of people (me included).

But at the same time, you can just do what most anyone else does and ignore the voyeur content. It's what I do. I don't care at all for any scene that doesn't have the protagonist. Most of the time, the game allows you to reject these scenes. These scenes are for a niché among nichés, but this game is niché to begin with and thus a lot of the patrons probably like them. Can't really do much about that fact.

And meh, who cares about the commissioned art.

 

[Wavering]

And how much coders there are?

As far as I can tell there are definitely 4 coders on the dev team. But I'm inclined to believe there are a bit more than that.
But in any case, the amount of coders on the team doesn't really matter; they have a bug report thread for a reason, and according to Savin, they have more than enough time as well. Just seems to be the case of not really wanting to go through all the issues, then the issues pile up leading in even less incentive to try and address them.

So basically, unless the bug is completely game breaking it doesn't seem like it's a priority at all - which is why it seems to be a completely asinine endeavor to actually report bugs on the forums, seeing as it's liable to not result in anything (aside being potentially gaslit and / or being subjected to scorn).

 

[enumate]

Lolno, CoC2 specifically has very good coders comparatively. It's head above usual ren'py coders and rpgmaker games.

Fixing stuff is generally harder than just implementing new stuff. 80 of the work is done in 20 of the time, 20 of the work in 80 of the time - that's pretty much the case here, it's diminishing returns. Coding in new stuff is easy (unless it's engine work or somesuch), but keeping the whole game coherent code-wise, backwards compatibility, handling weird interactions and such is a chore - and it's not even getting noticed, new content will bring in more money than fixing old bugs.

Definitely agree that fixing v. implementing are two different difficulty / time factors. What I was referring to was more about the response and communication aspect. Ren'py coders like with What-A-Legend for example are pretty down to earth and communicate well with questions and bugs. The dev(s) for Karyyn's Prison are also pretty upfront and haven't seen a whole lot of issues between people reporting bugs and the dev blatantly ignoring bug reports.

Gives the impression they actually care and it helps build rapport. CoC2 on the other hand seem a lot more condescending and when that occurs it's easier for a dev to basically gloss over a bug that might be small now, but a hassle later on.

 

[Bootyman]

I struggle to understand why Quint exists; unlike Brint he's exclusively a top, he's not interesting, his character design isn't great and you can't really do much with him that changes things up. Meanwhile Brint is an absolute bro (and can be made into a woman) and Berwyn is much more interestingly written and there's clearly an idea of what they're going to do with him.

Meanwhile Quint is going to get a girlfriend and you can't fuck him because fuck you. Plus rabbit people are kinda overdone in furry porn, at least the character in the foothills is a shredded babe that you can hatefuck and impregnate. Would have much preferred her as a companion.

 

[Quintilus]

I struggle to understand why Quint exists; unlike Brint he's exclusively a top, he's not interesting, his character design isn't great and you can't really do much with him that changes things up. Meanwhile Brint is an absolute bro (and can be made into a woman) and Berwyn is much more interestingly written and there's clearly an idea of what they're going to do with him.

Meanwhile Quint is going to get a girlfriend and you can't fuck him because fuck you. Plus rabbit people are kinda overdone in furry porn, at least the character in the foothills is a shredded babe that you can hatefuck and impregnate. Would have much preferred her as a companion.

Okay, so what now, I need cease to exist?!

 

[Bootyman]

Okay, so what now, I need cease to exist?!

I demand you be interesting or at least use that bubble butt for good.

 

[JTakiyaa]

Android loading screen freeze/crash is back. The old uninstall chrome update doesn't fix it anymore. And the dev didn't even implement a fix since the 0.3.34 update. I'll just get a new phone and see which one comes first. The bugfix or the phone. That post about more coders than writers is simply amazing given this bug is present since February when the first report was made. 5 same bug report later LOL.

 

[MogwaiKupo]

I struggle to understand why Quint exists; unlike Brint he's exclusively a top, he's not interesting, his character design isn't great and you can't really do much with him that changes things up. Meanwhile Brint is an absolute bro (and can be made into a woman) and Berwyn is much more interestingly written and there's clearly an idea of what they're going to do with him.

Meanwhile Quint is going to get a girlfriend and you can't fuck him because fuck you. Plus rabbit people are kinda overdone in furry porn, at least the character in the foothills is a shredded babe that you can hatefuck and impregnate. Would have much preferred her as a companion.

He supposed to be the median between all the males, he's not as girly as Berwyn, but he's not as hunky as Brint. (If Berwyn's writer didn't quit) He's not as confrontational as Berry, but he's not as chill as Brint. Compared to those other two, he's not hyper (the Brint CG with Atugia really showed me why people hate hyper that just looked silly). Bubblelord refused make Quin a switch though, as Takahiro showcases his masculine male characters don't bottom.
The problem is his personality is a dime a dozen, he's horny, which is everyone, he's flirty, which are Brint and high-con Etheryn, he's confrontational, but dialogue trees don't exist in this game and so are dom-Arona and Berwyn.
Bubbleord was clearly trying to go for a Zevran-like character, but as I said before, your huffing paint if you believe these writers are as good as old bioware. Maybe his expac will improve him and show off the Zevran he was supposed to be, they only have two scenes, but he tries to be charming with Rune.

 

[Kallisto]

Was there talk of what type of content/consequences you get if you don't build Cait's temple? Like you build the temple okay, you get all these npcs and side stories. If you don't build it, does that take you down a different path or is it just the "skip this content" button?

 

[zwere]

your huffing paint if you believe these writers are as good as old bioware

Please don't tell me someone has unironically compared CoC2 writers to the likes of David Gaider. We're reaching levels of delusion unseen before.

 

[zwere]

Was there talk of what type of content/consequences you get if you don't build Cait's temple? Like you build the temple okay, you get all these npcs and side stories. If you don't build it, does that take you down a different path or is it just the "skip this content" button?

Willing to bet money on the latter being the case. They seem to love the ''if you don't like this content, you get to excise it from your game but don't expect anything in return'' policy.

 

[Quintilus]

I demand you be interesting or at least use that bubble butt for good.

First of, thats gay.
Second, I dont even know you.
Third, Im not a cheap whore....at least buy me a beer....Faxe black will suit, for beginning.

Please don't tell me someone has unironically compared CoC2 writers to the likes of David Gaider. We're reaching levels of delusion unseen before.

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