Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.31] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Duke Greene]

Comparing Quint to Zevran is pretty acute, Bubblelord was clearly going for the "loveable rogue" archetype with him. And just like with Raphael in orig CoC it's a spectacular failure. Making such a character likeable isn't as easy as it looks.

 

[Quintilus]

Raphael in orig CoC

Zorro like fox mother-lover?!

 

[MogwaiKupo]

Please don't tell me someone has unironically compared CoC2 writers to the likes of David Gaider. We're reaching levels of delusion unseen before.

No nobodies done it to my knowledge, it just that the concept of love triangles came up and somebody brought up the Aerie love triangle

 

[Mr Technician]

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*Aerie: Huh... ?!

 

[Konstantinus]

To do the cult story in the Iceglade do I need first complete the centaurvillage?

 

[Wavering]

To do the cult story in the Iceglade do I need first complete the centaurvillage?

Yeah, to even meet Gweyr in the first place one needs to have completed the "Harboring a Fugitive" (Centaur Village) quest.

 

[Malcowitz]

To be blunt, your tastes appear to be way too "straight male" for this game. I'm not saying this to be disparaging, it's just that these games have always attracted a substantial amount of female, bi and/or gay players so it's absolutely not surprising the devs would remember to cater to them from time to time.

Point taken on Brienne though: the lack of worthwhile TFs has been a point of criticism for a while and it's a legitimate one imo.

I mean, as was pointed out, I have a male waifu and a dickgirl waifu but I get what you mean and it's fine there's a definite increase in gay content as such (before we go into whether there being pornography at all is fine, which is kind of a no, because obviously being able to use Orcish potions to grow your balls creates unrealistic standards of ejaculation for young lads we'll never truly reach in real life)

He's making some pretty big concessions for a straight male. Jokes aside, I think you should tone down the inflammatory language, Malcowitz. If you want to be taken seriously, at least. Nothing wrong with talking shit and ranting but if all you spew is bile it gets a bit redundant.

Ranting is fun but of course I assume everyone is having a laugh in their own way here: I highly doubt Savin is furiously reading this thread to see this asshole criticize their work ethic and levels of professionalism (the latter especially is very poor. They don't seem to understand what kind of game they are doing at times)

I can see why you wouldn't like not being able to transform or do much in total with many of the companions of the game. I can also see why you'd be pissed at characters getting scenes with other characters when you might feel possessive over them, seeing as the game is essentially a harem simulator for a lot of people (me included).

But at the same time, you can just do what most anyone else does and ignore the voyeur content. It's what I do. I don't care at all for any scene that doesn't have the protagonist. Most of the time, the game allows you to reject these scenes. These scenes are for a niché among nichés, but this game is niché to begin with and thus a lot of the patrons probably like them. Can't really do much about that fact.

And meh, who cares about the commissioned art.

But I'd argue that the point of the voyeur content is that it is fundamentally bad for a game where the main pillars are thus:

1) You are able to create an extremely specific and detailed character with a mixture of phenotypes, animal/human characteristics and sexual equipment (everything from furries to yourself only you have 12 inch long nipples)
2) You are able to do change a variety of other NPCs in the same way you yourself do (and sometimes this is by force)
3) Fucking ensues

Voyeurism lies solely on that third, very wobbly and thin leg because it does not involve the player in any real way. Yes, we have to choose these scenes so the player usually has to click them but I don't find this notion that "don't like it don't click it" to be wholly legitimate because it doesn't feed into the core loop of what a porn game should be (and especially so for a game like COC2)

Think of it like this: if Bethesda released a new DLC that would be solely about playing boardgames in a dank cave in a random area of Skyrim, this would be bad because while it is content, it is not really feeding into the core loop of being a yelling murderhobo wanderer, even if it does please some people and arguably add content to the game. Especially if the content has more details and work put into it than other, actually existing parts of the game that need that level of polish.

Okay, so what now, I need cease to exist?!

Ahh wait, Quint is the cultist right? They weren't a woman and didn't have fem content so they were extremely forgettable, especially as I try to run a pure, mindless CRUSH EVERYTHING party

Was there talk of what type of content/consequences you get if you don't build Cait's temple? Like you build the temple okay, you get all these npcs and side stories. If you don't build it, does that take you down a different path or is it just the "skip this content" button?

Literally no way to get it because why wouldn't you love Savins slut waifu and choose his way??

I would even pay double the gems to get her rent-a-womb to work for me but no way am I feeding into a cult even in a bideogame

 

[PecsDickAss]

I'm pretty much fine with Quint being only a top since I'm a bottom, but options are good. He better not become a bottom because of complaints though.

Also, Brint and Quint are literally the only masculine and dominant options for women and gay men. Literally everyone else is either a femboy or a woman, so I don't understand the attitude towards not transforming him. Especially with him being the only guy interested in dating you overall.

Shame they don't have a transformation planned for Berwyn to bring him back to his masculine, muscular, dominant glory. Y'all have such privilege with so many options you don't even realize it lmao

 

[M0nte]

Voyeurism lies solely on that third, very wobbly and thin leg because it does not involve the player in any real way. Yes, we have to choose these scenes so the player usually has to click them but I don't find this notion that "don't like it don't click it" to be wholly legitimate because it doesn't feed into the core loop of what a porn game should be (and especially so for a game like COC2)

But you can also look at it from this perspective. Since this is a porn game that aims to pander to many people as possible, using "if you do not like it, do not engage with it" should be a valid course of action. Since not everyone will be in all kinds of content. For a game that can include stuff like male content to a hard core gang bang, I do not think anyone here is going to like everything that the game throws at them. So even voyeur content, while being a pretty niche thing, by this games criteria should still exist. Especially if there is an audience for it.

I'm pretty much fine with Quint being only a top since I'm a bottom, but options are good. He better not become a bottom because of complaints though.

Also, Brint and Quint are literally the only masculine and dominant options for women and gay men. Literally everyone else is either a femboy or a woman, so I don't understand the attitude towards not transforming him. Especially with him being the only guy interested in dating you overall.

Shame they don't have a transformation planned for Berwyn to bring him back to his masculine, muscular, dominant glory. Y'all have such privilege with so many options you don't even realize it lmao

The whole TF thing is just people wishing for something because they are not into men or twinks such as Quin. Because, really, if you only TF him, you are still basically stuck with same character. Cait 2.0.

I do not want Quin to exclusive bottom (even If I would love it). I just want to fuck his ass man. I mean, just look at it. His twinkish hole deserves a pounding.
To take him down a little. He is to smug for his own good. Especially from someone that uses magic to cheat in sex.

Also, Berwyn and Brint also have romance paths. Brint even dates you.

Also, I would recommend recently added Elyon and Imad if you are into tops. Elyon especially, since he is sweet.

 

[enumate]

Since this is a porn game that aims to pander to many people as possible, using "if you do not like it, do not engage with it" should be a valid course of action. Since not everyone will be in all kinds of content.

Not arguing, completely agree this is how you'd do it for a game like this, but we have to add this factor. Savin was using primarily unpaid writers (with some taking commissions) instead of finding good smut writers worth their words. I know I sound like a broken record, but if the goal was to appeal to as wide an audience as possible, then we'd have more development with characters like Shar, being able to fuck characters without the writers getting protective over their OC's and more quality content than quantity content before adding more characters.

I think we can all agree some scenes would be just as impactful if they had no slider and up to 3 or so scene advancements compared to the LotR dense manuscripts we see in released content. Most of the content can basically be boiled down to futa, big tits w/o futa, and less developed normal proportioned characters.

Don't get me wrong, I love some more of the buxom characters, but when it doesn't surprise me a female character has a dick or extreme proportions to their body then something within the central idea may have been lost. I think that's why people are enjoying the new Senja content because it feels like what should have been there within the first few months of her character being released.

 

[MogwaiKupo]

I'm pretty much fine with Quint being only a top since I'm a bottom, but options are good. He better not become a bottom because of complaints though.

Also, Brint and Quint are literally the only masculine and dominant options for women and gay men. Literally everyone else is either a femboy or a woman, so I don't understand the attitude towards not transforming him. Especially with him being the only guy interested in dating you overall.

Shame they don't have a transformation planned for Berwyn to bring him back to his masculine, muscular, dominant glory. Y'all have such privilege with so many options you don't even realize it lmao

You'll be fine, Savin refuses to let you remove Etheryn and Arona's penises or make Cait impregnable, Tobs refuses to let you let anyone else be a surrogate for Kinu, and corrupt hive ending Azzy will never be recruitable, for some reason. These writers are very adamant about the game in general, this is upped to eleven when it involves their characters, they're not going to let a few disgruntled fans dictate the direction of their characters, especially Bubbleord whose one of the more inflexible writers.
Unless Bubbleord leaves the team and cut ties with Savin (alas poor Berwyn), I don't think Quin will ever be bottoming willingly.

 

[CboyC95]

Why isn't there an option to eat out Hretha or trib with her or Infrith?

 

[zwere]

Shame they don't have a transformation planned for Berwyn to bring him back to his masculine, muscular, dominant glory.

I really don't get why they only let us push these hybrid characters in one direction. I get saying something like ''we're currently writing so and so to progress in so and so direction. If someone happens to write a different scenario, it'll happen then'' but instead we have ''Etheryn will never NOT have a dick, Berwyn gets a pussy, though. Why is the elf that leans feminine in both body and mind stuck with a dick and the masculine character that was forced to become feminine only pushed further into femininity? There's nothing wrong with those options, as long as they're options and not hard and fast rules.

 

[MogwaiKupo]

I really don't get why they only let us push these hybrid characters in one direction. I get saying something like ''we're currently writing so and so to progress in so and so direction. If someone happens to write a different scenario, it'll happen then'' but instead we have ''Etheryn will never NOT have a dick, Berwyn gets a pussy, though. Why is the elf that leans feminine in both body and mind stuck with a dick and the masculine character that was forced to become feminine only pushed further into femininity? There's nothing wrong with those options, as long as they're options and not hard and fast rules.

I read the possible reason on their discord. The jist of it that it's just too much work.In their words, Berwyn's already going to be a pain to write for because everytime they have to write for him they have to account for 5 different body types. Lazy or not, this already means only the most dedicated of dedicate Berry fans are going to submit commissions, now imagine the main story where they have to account for him. I think he's keeping his feminine body regardless of your choice, so that's a load off for the writers.
If you want to know, that's also the reason nudity and unarmed combat aren't a thing. The writers don't want to have to account for the possibility you're already nude in every scene.
That's why other companions aren't getting severe TFs, Brienne's a rare anomaly and Cait's Cait, the writers already accepted they have to include her in everything, what's writing that she's fuzzier going to do.
As for Etheryn, the in-game reasoning is she only wants to lose her penis as a last resort for the cage. They even have a high-corruption only dream to strawman the "selfish" players who want that. Meta reason Savin has two other companions so he felt he had to draw the line somewhere and I guess it was genitalia.

 

[zwere]

now imagine the main story where they have to account for him

All the dismissable companions are irrelevant to the main story and all they do is drop off-the-cuff remarks. Like I said, I don't mind if the reasoning is that they're working on other stuff and certain changes to companions aren't being made for workload reasons. From what I've seen on the forums about Etheryn specifically was the same type of excuse as to why Cait doesn't get pregnant. It's part of their character's ''personality''. As if transformations and changes to a character's appearance aren't the whims of their authors boners. Cait turning leothran or Ryn becoming bustier sure are deep and meaningful changes and not simply selfish masturbation fuel at all /s.

 

[MogwaiKupo]

All the dismissable companions are irrelevant to the main story and all they do is drop off-the-cuff remarks. Like I said, I don't mind if the reasoning is that they're working on other stuff and certain changes to companions aren't being made for workload reasons. From what I've seen on the forums about Etheryn specifically was the same type of excuse as to why Cait doesn't get pregnant. It's part of their character's ''personality''. As if transformations and changes to a character's appearance aren't the whims of their authors boners. Cait turning leothran or Ryn becoming bustier sure are deep and meaningful changes and not simply selfish masturbation fuel at all /s.

What can I say, workload was the only reason I could come up with. That's me being optimistic and giving them the benefit of the doubt. The real reason is they just don't want to write it. Look at corrupt Hive ending, there was no reason for the choice to be as stacked as it was except SKoW didn't want to write corruption. The writers have weird priorities alright.
I know the optional companions are irrelevant, heck Berwyn is the worst offender because he never says anything. However the companion system is the big selling of this game. They even have the one-year dedicated writer thing to avoid bloat. According to them the game is only entering act 2, and if what B said about dragons is anything to go by we still have years before the game is even at the late game. Maybe they'll improve companion interactions to the point where they can justify these weird choices.
As I said, Cait is Cait, it's probably in their contract, that Savin wrote, that you must include her in some way, shape, or form in every other scene you write. Looking at Saendra, Anno, and Helia, the slutty polyamourous character is obviously Savin's fetish to write about so he doesn't care; and as for Ryn, well between her busts and fanart, I don't even think they can come up with a consensus on her body type. Every writer that not's Tobs, Savin, or Wsan show how hard writing one companion is for them. Savin has to write for three so he had to cut off somewhere and what better line for him than changing his character's "personality."

 

[Malcowitz]

But you can also look at it from this perspective. Since this is a porn game that aims to pander to many people as possible, using "if you do not like it, do not engage with it" should be a valid course of action. Since not everyone will be in all kinds of content. For a game that can include stuff like male content to a hard core gang bang, I do not think anyone here is going to like everything that the game throws at them. So even voyeur content, while being a pretty niche thing, by this games criteria should still exist. Especially if there is an audience for it.

No, I already understand that point of view; my point is that it is bad content for this game because of the nature of the game. It's not a cuck kinetic novel; it's an active transformational sandbox where the whole point is the transformational element and the player themselves. (You might even say it was corruption and your champion even????)

It's why I didn't really complain about the temple; yeah it's shit they lock some good content there but whatever, their dumb cat hotwaifu can pound sand (kitty litter?) in the pub the entire game long as far as I'm concerned.

The bigger issue is and remains the complete lack of professionalism from Savin and co. Their possessiveness over their characters isn't ~them sticking to their vision~, it's a complete lack of appreciation for what the fuck they're writing for. (Hint: It's not for themselves, it's for players)

This would be completely inappropriate for a professional writer to say "no my character would never do this" because they're literal fucking fictional characters. They do not actually exist. If they're so limited as writers they can't create these scenarios, people who can should be found. End of. The reason why this is accepted is that they have always allowed these fanfics in their game because it's free content for them that they profit off of and by not rocking the boat they continue to get it, but it's deeply pathetic and shows them clearly for the amateurs they are.

Again, a real design doc would literally just list the scenes required for characters and then these could be worked on by anyone that read through the char doc. They don't do this because their operation is haphazard and unprofessional, where they jump from one point to another at random with no clear rhyme or reason, leave numerous elements unfinished and then randomly revisit things or don't.

 

[MogwaiKupo]

No, I already understand that point of view; my point is that it is bad content for this game because of the nature of the game. It's not a cuck kinetic novel; it's an active transformational sandbox where the whole point is the transformational element and the player themselves. (You might even say it was corruption and your champion even????)

It's why I didn't really complain about the temple; yeah it's shit they lock some good content there but whatever, their dumb cat hotwaifu can pound sand (kitty litter?) in the pub the entire game long as far as I'm concerned.

The bigger issue is and remains the complete lack of professionalism from Savin and co. Their possessiveness over their characters isn't ~them sticking to their vision~, it's a complete lack of appreciation for what the fuck they're writing for. (Hint: It's not for themselves, it's for players)

This would be completely inappropriate for a professional writer to say "no my character would never do this" because they're literal fucking fictional characters. They do not actually exist. If they're so limited as writers they can't create these scenarios, people who can should be found. End of. The reason why this is accepted is that they have always allowed these fanfics in their game because it's free content for them that they profit off of and by not rocking the boat they continue to get it, but it's deeply pathetic and shows them clearly for the amateurs they are.

Again, a real design doc would literally just list the scenes required for characters and then these could be worked on by anyone that read through the char doc. They don't do this because their operation is haphazard and unprofessional, where they jump from one point to another at random with no clear rhyme or reason, leave numerous elements unfinished and then randomly revisit things or don't.

Hey, that sorta thinking might not of worked for the first game, it might of worked for tainted space, and it might not be working for this game. But uh, third times the charm I guess. Or fourth, they did joke if they ever make a sequel to coc2 they might remove lust combat altogether because of how silly it comes off.

 

[NODOGAN]

Say what class you guys think makes this game the easiest? my own top would go something along the lines of:
1) Whitemage (literaly got nothing i would change, most solid class for me.)
2) Charmer (only below Whitemage because of the very few enemies that can resist teasing, if Charmers had more moves that dealt PSYCHIC Damage like that scroll you get from kitsune den they could also deal with the entirety of the game.)
3) Warrior (the re-work on their passive makes wonders with Bessy Mauler me thinks.)
BTW haven't finished Gweyr quest yet, decided to skip until i have more player-centered-focus stuff, might change my mind now that Atugia FINALLY got some love tho.

 

[RhapsodicHotShot]

I think the devs started to go overrboard with body sizes. In CoC2 and TiTs, most new characters have enormous penises, boobs and asses.

Dont get me wrong, I do love playing a big dicked futa, but I try to stay within realistic proportions. 2 feet long cocks are not sexy, they are rediculous and when I try to read a scene with someone inserting a dick that size, I just cringe.

They need to tone it down a bit.