Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.32] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Sasquatch421]

Is the second gem puzzle in the game true, but is the FIRST puzzle to use the term "Adjacent" to reffer to gem's locations (every other puzzle used words like east/west/northeast/southwest/etc) so when you see the word Adjacent you ASSUME it means shit like "Diagonal" right? but then there's 2 gems using the word Adjacent on themselves, and one of them meant TO THE FUCKING LEFT!

Which would be adjacent as the word means "next to or adjoining something else" which would be your next door neighbor for example. You might be thinking of adjacent angles?

 

[Archaon11111]

Is the bush cock bugged? Its supposed to accommodate all dick scene sizes since it can be any size but that dosen't seem to be the case.

 

[Fikedever]

Is anyone else confused why the game's wiki page hasn't been updated?

From my understanding they have no one who cares enough to update it. Part of that there are more people who would update the wiki if they had access to the source code as it makes it much easier to fill the wiki out. People don't want to volunteer filling out the wiki when its harder to do. Any of Tob's characters tend to be filled out because Tobs updates the wiki entries for his own characters.

I was joking around when I implied your companions can knock up other people. I mean logically that makes sense, the journal may be a two-faced lie at times, but I don't think they'd disregard that only Cait's sterile. Key question, why would I pay (a princely sum) for someone else to knock her up? Garth gives you rooms for free, I doubt your friends are that stripped for money.

It isn't like electrum is hard to get, but it still feels weird then that we pay for Salwah when sex is so easy to get and then we put in the work of helping out on establishing a temple to their god. I would be much more interested if there was a quest of some sort or some story. Paying money just seems boring, even if it makes sense for the character. I don't hate Gwyn's style of donating to the daycare, possibly because it actually results in a built up description of the place. I'm not 100% sure why I don't exactly care for paying for a womb. Maybe it reminds me too much of Ferengi womb renting? It certainly isn't romantic sounding.

Maybe a better way to implement it would be to invest money into the temple of mallach similar to Gwyn, where the more money you invest the more options for services are unlocked like asphyxiating Salwah (related to reply below). If you decide not to set up the temple, then Salwah charging the money makes sense.

Also, really annoying, if you click "Sex" option for Salway the money is taken from you and you can't back out. Like come on, at least show the options of scenes before taking the money. Basic game design. It isn't like the amount of money matters, and I can just skip past the scenes if none interest me, but it shows a lack of care in the UI when they have been making the game for this long. At least 3 people missed this (writer, editor, programmer, code reviewer).

I would honestly far prefer him to be completely limited to just the Kitsune. My character simply does not exist for Tobs. "Putting words in your mouth" taken to an extreme.

You are correct that he puts words in your mouth, and he does it in a sort of way that might be missed. It's a consistent issue across his random dialogue option system (where you click a simple option like "Jassira" as a topic and get a random exposition dump). Example in spoiler.

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Bold added by me. Apparently the PC's entire words were: "Are there only catfolk in Jassira?" "Oh." and "Harsh.", but the PC definitely asked about how the lupines should act more in their self interest. I happened to be playing a lupine as well so this comes off even more insulting by chance.

This kind of dialogue talk option happens in all of Tobs work. I'm pretty sure he's done the "Don't ask questions you don't want to know the answer to" in multiple of his characters. It annoys me when the character doesn't even ask the damn question in the minimal dialogue given to the player. Instead, the PC doesn't say it but the character instead implies the PC said it. It's the character in game now putting words into the PC's mouth.

Which then brings up the idea that Salwah apparently is suggesting (as a lupine) that the PC should form a government around lupines like the Jassiran government. Okay, cool, but does she not realize that would mean that creating a temple of Mallach would actually be contrary to that goal? Why is she currently arguing against the best chance she has at getting away from her politically corrupt temple?

If she doesn't realize where she is going wrong, then why wouldn't my PC with high cunning realize where she goes wrong here? I could understand the PC not wanting to be a dick about it if she was being nice, but she just played the "Don't ask questions you don't want the answers to" card.

It also starts bringing further to the forefront about whether creating this temple is Salwah and Cait taking advantage of us. This is obviously an investment opportunity. I want stock options!

Having the character respond to what your PC didn't actually say (but is implied to have) also makes the PC seem extremely easy to walk over. If you take the PC's basic generic dialogue at face value, it seems like the PC are getting yelled at for no reason and don't have the courage to speak up for themselves.


I don't think this would matter as much if it wasn't such a consistent problem. It's possible the other writers have this problem.

 

[destroyerofassholes]

Having the character respond to what your PC didn't actually say (but is implied to have) also makes the PC seem extremely easy to walk over. If you take the PC's basic generic dialogue at face value, it seems like the PC are getting yelled at for no reason and don't have the courage to speak up for themselves.

exactly my issue with a lot of tobs content

his ideal protag is a doormat moron to serve his novel-rejects and he forces that onto you

 

[Whyhellothere]

^v^, you didn't solve my question, just recite it, but you reminded me that I can post picture here.

I have said, in game, it has two contrary description, one of them is what you said. View attachment 1174927
the damage calculating formula is "Reduced_Damage=Original_Damage*(1-Damage_Reduction%)"<Function I>, Damage_Reduction is capped at 75.
And another description is here: View attachment 1174934
In this case, you can manage to figure out the damage calculating formula is Reduced_Damage = Original_Damage/(1+Damage_Reduction%)<Function II>, as same as the damage calculating formula in another video game 'Vainglory', and in this case(<Function II>) you don't need to cap Damage_Reduction ,because the damage will never be reduced to Zer0.
Here is the example in the picture below. You have 200 HP and 20 Armor, the enemy's attack is 50 HP per hit, without Armor ,you can only take 4 (200/50=4) hits. Here are the two different cases.
if <Function II> is employed, the reduced damage will be 50/1.2 (50/(1+20%)=50/1.2), so you can take 4.8 (200/(50/1.2)=200/50*1.2=4.8) hits, compared to the origin 4 hits, your effective HP becomes 1.2 (4.8/4=1.2) times of your origin HP, meaning your effective HP is 240 (200*1.2=240), matching the description in the picture below.
However, if the <Function I> is true ,the reduced damage will be reduced to 40 (50*(1-20%)=50*0.8=40), you can take 5 (200/40=5) hits instead of 4.8 hits, meaning your effective HP becomes 1.25 (5/4=1.25) times of your origin HP, meaning your effective HP is 250 (200*1.25=250), contrary to the description in the picture below.
So here comes the question, which of the damage calculating function is true, <Function I> or <Function II> ?
And what caused this mismatch ? a team cooperation failure (one writes description, another makes code) or just due to your poor mathematics knowledge (failed to count the effective HP in the description, ^v^) In last case, envy that you don't need to pass complicated math quiz, most students in China need to participate in complicated calculation like conic equation which is usually calculated by computer in 21th centuries.

Uhhhhh, Ah yes I see...

 

[redcynic]

Can we jsut take a moment to appreciate that, tobs or not, a major game-changing plot line was introducted and then finished within a single patch cycle? Like damn, where was that fucking drive when it was THIS AMULET BINDS YOU? Oh wait it didnt involve Savin's pet cat slut then

Also, so as to keep the topic proper, what are the new imp mob scenes? Is that the band you can fight or the group that sneaks into your inn room?

 

[destroyerofassholes]

^v^, you didn't solve my question, just recite it, but you reminded me that I can post picture here.

I have said, in game, it has two contrary description, one of them is what you said. View attachment 1174927
the damage calculating formula is "Reduced_Damage=Original_Damage*(1-Damage_Reduction%)"<Function I>, Damage_Reduction is capped at 75.
And another description is here: View attachment 1174934
In this case, you can manage to figure out the damage calculating formula is Reduced_Damage = Original_Damage/(1+Damage_Reduction%)<Function II>, as same as the damage calculating formula in another video game 'Vainglory', and in this case(<Function II>) you don't need to cap Damage_Reduction ,because the damage will never be reduced to Zer0.
Here is the example in the picture below. You have 200 HP and 20 Armor, the enemy's attack is 50 HP per hit, without Armor ,you can only take 4 (200/50=4) hits. Here are the two different cases.
if <Function II> is employed, the reduced damage will be 50/1.2 (50/(1+20%)=50/1.2), so you can take 4.8 (200/(50/1.2)=200/50*1.2=4.8) hits, compared to the origin 4 hits, your effective HP becomes 1.2 (4.8/4=1.2) times of your origin HP, meaning your effective HP is 240 (200*1.2=240), matching the description in the picture below.
However, if the <Function I> is true ,the reduced damage will be reduced to 40 (50*(1-20%)=50*0.8=40), you can take 5 (200/40=5) hits instead of 4.8 hits, meaning your effective HP becomes 1.25 (5/4=1.25) times of your origin HP, meaning your effective HP is 250 (200*1.25=250), contrary to the description in the picture below.
So here comes the question, which of the damage calculating function is true, <Function I> or <Function II> ?
And what caused this mismatch ? a team cooperation failure (one writes description, another makes code) or just due to your poor mathematics knowledge (failed to count the effective HP in the description, ^v^) In last case, envy that you don't need to pass complicated math quiz, most students in China need to participate in complicated calculation like conic equation which is usually calculated by computer in 21th centuries.

Am I misreading this or are you legitimately nation wanking on a porn site????

 

[M0nte]

Can we jsut take a moment to appreciate that, tobs or not, a major game-changing plot line was introducted and then finished within a single patch cycle? Like damn, where was that fucking drive when it was THIS AMULET BINDS YOU? Oh wait it didnt involve Savin's pet cat slut then

Also, so as to keep the topic proper, what are the new imp mob scenes? Is that the band you can fight or the group that sneaks into your inn room?

If you defeat old roaming band of imps, you get to pimp.

 

[Squid37]

Man Cait's fine but I'm not really into her and the prostitute gimmick. I say gimmick because thats the "hat" she wears to make her guide her content like Erythns chastity bottom thing. I'd be fine with it if she didnt seem to just absorb so much more content then other characters.

Especially with companions like Atugia who have comparatively nothing or any of the various other npcs with sparse content.

 

[throbzombie]

^Pretty much this.

 

[Archaon11111]

Man Cait's fine but I'm not really into her and the prostitute gimmick. I say gimmick because thats the "hat" she wears to make her guide her content like Erythns chastity bottom thing. I'd be fine with it if she didnt seem to just absorb so much more content then other characters.

Especially with companions like Atugia who have comparatively nothing or any of the various other npcs with sparse content.

The thing is its all up to the writer, Cait gets a lot of content because Savin can write ton of stuff for his characters (its his main job afterall) plus she's easy to write about since its no different to human there's nothing unique or heavy required about generic catgirl that's a turbo slut.

While Atugia's is more bottom heavy headless Dullahan and her writer isn't very active.

 

[Squid37]

The thing is its all up to the writer, Cait gets a lot of content because Savin can write ton of stuff for his characters (its his main job afterall) plus she's easy to write about since its no different to human there's nothing unique or heavy required about generic catgirl that's a turbo slut.

While Atugia's is more bottom heavy headless Dullahan and her writer isn't very active.

Oh I'm well aware of that and I completely get it. I just generally dislike turboslut characters, at least as like consistent companions and not as say a town npcs. I also simply like her less that pretty much all of Savin's characters. Her getting so much content however puts me in a spot where I skip a bunch of updates in a row because I have no interest in her. I read " Cait has a new threesome scene with X" and check out. I aint mad just disappointed.

 

[Lance Lot]

Were there ever any mentions on whether we get to fuck the baroness or not?

 

[redcynic]

Also can I just say that like, I'm personally peeved that every time we meet a god/dess, it always ends with "you probably won't ever see us again" like no bitch get back here, I outwitted you in an ace attorney courtroom, I built you a giant temple in the sticks for your power base, at least let me booty call you more than once i'm fighting your greatest fear here. The only one we get to meet/fuck on the reg is the fox, and that's AFTER they tease us with that portrait of mallach (and sun tiddy whose name I forget), no wonder everyone want to side with Kas - she's got plans to let us see her regularly!

 

[MogwaiKupo]

Were there ever any mentions on whether we get to fuck the baroness or not?

Technically, there's going to a scene where she uses her vampire powers, to do vampire things with you at night. Except with your cum. Also she likes virgins.

Also can I just say that like, I'm personally peeved that every time we meet a god/dess, it always ends with "you probably won't ever see us again" like no bitch get back here, I outwitted you in an ace attorney courtroom, I built you a giant temple in the sticks for your power base, at least let me booty call you more than once i'm fighting your greatest fear here. The only one we get to meet/fuck on the reg is the fox, and that's AFTER they tease us with that portrait of mallach (and sun tiddy whose name I forget), no wonder everyone want to side with Kas - she's got plans to let us see her regularly!

Presumably, you're going to be able to interact with them more once you are able to become their champion. It's the reason, why of the gods, Keros has the most content, he's the only one you give your soul to. Hopefully this is remedied when the other gods get their transformation, but only 2.5 of the remaining 6 are confirmed to be able to transform you. So I don't know about the remaining three

 

[menatv]

It's decent for an incremental update. The temple quest completion was OK, if you are into helping Cait and spreading her religion.
I was more wanting to see the various Imp scenes. Was a bit disappointed in that the loss ones are still the same (at least as far as I could tell). Just a couple more Imp victory scenes that I have noticed have been added.

And I think I am getting the point where Observer writes walls of text akin to someone liking the sound of their own voice.

 

[P0rnextraordinaire]

Impossible for now. I have some Lyla content waiting in the review queue (Introduction rework, PC fucking her pussy, sparring, and a sissification scene with Evergreen), but I want to write a Ryn x PC x Lyla threesome where she can fuck your pussy (someday, when I finally have enough time). If you have some ideas you would like to see I sometimes lurk around here so you can tell me about them and I'll take them into account when writing.

I would also like to write a vaginal scene involving Lyla and the PC alone (I would like to write many things in case you haven't noticed), but I'm not sure I have enough ideas to write that at this moment. As a guy I find it easy to write what I would like to read, but given that I don't play female characters I find it more difficult to come up with what to write for the scene (it could also be that I'm less interested in that kind of content and I don't think that much about it as a result). So yeah, it's not like that content is never gonna come, it's just that it will probably take longer.

Sorry for the late reply, was out of internet for a week. So you're the writer for Lyla's content? If so, I gotta say. I love your work so far. She's really well-written and I like her. I like the ideas that you have on the review queue and I think they got a lot of potential. Although I'd say to take your time, since I know this stuff takes a lot of time and there's still a lot of content to write for, I am pretty patient since I usually don't check for updates until months later for a game. If you want some ideas though for Fem-PC's scene, I'd propose impregnation and Lyla taking the Fem-PC rough imo, I know it's kinda vague but I am not the most creative person and that's how I'd probably imagine a scene involving the Fem-PC being taken vaginally through Lyla.

 

[kazama19jin]

Anyone else feels a bit off about the temple womb rental? What I mean is they get a bigass lump of money AND they get to indoctrinate the kid into the temple.

 

[Whyhellothere]

Man Cait's fine but I'm not really into her and the prostitute gimmick. I say gimmick because thats the "hat" she wears to make her guide her content like Erythns chastity bottom thing. I'd be fine with it if she didnt seem to just absorb so much more content then other characters.

Especially with companions like Atugia who have comparatively nothing or any of the various other npcs with sparse content.

Honestly, she really annoys with the fact that I don't get a say in her having sex with all of the companions I'm close to it hits so close to ntr even though it's not meant to. Which is weird cause ntr is one of the most blacklisted tags on most hentai sites ya know? Would've expected them to be more aware of that an make how much of a willy nilly whore she optional or to a minimum.

Well it was nice to get that off my chest.

 

[destroyerofassholes]

Also can I just say that like, I'm personally peeved that every time we meet a god/dess, it always ends with "you probably won't ever see us again" like no bitch get back here, I outwitted you in an ace attorney courtroom, I built you a giant temple in the sticks for your power base, at least let me booty call you more than once i'm fighting your greatest fear here. The only one we get to meet/fuck on the reg is the fox, and that's AFTER they tease us with that portrait of mallach (and sun tiddy whose name I forget), no wonder everyone want to side with Kas - she's got plans to let us see her regularly!

The writers have massive delusions of grandeur. They actually think people give half a shit about how great and amazing the gods are or something.