Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.32] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Raf-Raf]

Hot take: Savin was never a good writer and Fen is mediocre at best. They combined to make a passable game with CoC and rode that sweet patreon money into the sunset. Unfortunately, the sunset was just a taint, and it was all anal vore all along.

This is already a better story than what I got in this game.

Reminds me of a game I played a fuckton time ago where one of the female cg's was your standard "creepy image" trope and the file name was "I see you." You couldn't find the cg in the game (afaik, anyways), so it was basically a "what the fuck?" kind of thing for a dev to include.

Huh, that reminds me of the game I put as a banner on with all the creepy stuff in it.

You imagine them? Fucking peasant.

I'm downbad, demmet.

 

[NinjaNamedBob]

This is already a better story than what I got in this game.

Venture Seas or CoC2?

Huh, that reminds me of the game I put as a banner on with all the creepy stuff in it.

I don't mind horror stuff in my porn, but making it the focus or tossing it in for the sake of "muh scurry picshurrs!" is a good way to kill more boners than spiking an orgy's reserve of viagra with ricin. I'm also on a watchlist for that google search.

I'm downbad, demmet.

I... okay. You do you.

 

[Raf-Raf]

Venture Seas or CoC2?

I can't say for the first one since I haven't completed it yet but the latter? Definitely.

I don't mind horror stuff in my porn, but making it the focus or tossing it in for the sake of "muh scurry picshurrs!" is a good way to kill more boners than spiking an orgy's reserve of viagra with ricin. I'm also on a watchlist for that google search.

Oh then you're definitely not gonna like the one in my banner.
The horror IS the story. A lot more scary than trying to train your boner resistance from cock and ball torture pics.

I... okay. You do you.

Times are hard...
Good thing I found this "shop" that gives "100% discount" on paid games, bless this site.

 

[throbzombie]

This level of toxic bitching provides too much opportunity to rip into you. I'll just do a simple one, though.

Toxic bitching? The fuck are you talking about. I wasn't bitching, and I wasn't complaining. You're being a needlessly hostile dickhead. Also, what the hell do you know about my taste in games, anyway?

 

[Mandoto]

Wow, this place really is just turning into a clone of the 4Chan thread, we're even openly insulting each other now.

 

[Raf-Raf]

I think any site with a forum will always have that.
It's inevitable.

 

[IndOnesia]

This level of toxic bitching provides too much opportunity to rip into you. I'll just do a simple one, though.

You're a lazy cunt and your taste in porn games is shit. Git gud, skrub.

woah be careful we get a badass over here

 

[destroyerofassholes]

Wow, this place really is just turning into a clone of the 4Chan thread, we're even openly insulting each other now.

Honestly, this place has always been a bitchfest but a somewhat intellectual and fun one a few months back. We would actually discuss shit and now I feel like a boomer saying this, but a whole lot of the newbies here are incredibly toxic and take criticizing way too far. The thread really has become like 4chan.

I am sick and fucking tired of Savin cuck memes or Tobs trains.

The game has issues yes but it's still a pretty good game. If you don't play it at all, if you don't like anything about it, why the fuck are you even here?

 

[Daddums]

Honestly, this place has always been a bitchfest but a somewhat intellectual and fun one a few months back. We would actually discuss shit and now I feel like a boomer saying this, but a whole lot of the newbies here are incredibly toxic and take criticizing way too far. The thread really has become like 4chan.

I am sick and fucking tired of Savin cuck memes or Tobs trains.

The game has issues yes but it's still a pretty good game. If you don't play it at all, if you don't like anything about it, why the fuck are you even here?

I think that's bound to happen when all that can be said has been said about the content. If they ever pick up steam things might cool down some because we'd have more to actually analyze rather than the drip feed we've gotten. You can't really do much with a drop that evaporates the moment it hits the surface.

 

[throbzombie]

I think any site with a forum will always have that.
It's inevitable.

This place used to be so chill, though. We used to have actual debates, not flame wars. People with different opinions would actually talk to each other with respect and civility, strange as it sounds. I just go where the wind blows, myself. If I get fed up with it here, I'll bounce.

 

[King_Ogre]

I feel like I have part of the blame for the flame. Yet, nowadays I see that the content provided has not enough to be debated though. Mostly is us getting fed up with the current shenanigans that made the game going from watered CoC to "My kink compendium with a smear of plot on it". I really loved how begun the game with a fresh start and not a futa collection (even I prefer TiTs over this game ngl), but. Patch after "patch" (if we can call them updates or patches I have my doubts) made me really grow frustrated with the devs, Sperg McNipples (mainly him), and the majority of the paypigs that enables Savin and Sperg McGoo personal vendettas.

If we want to debate the content I'm in.

 

[Raf-Raf]

This place used to be so chill, though. We used to have actual debates, not flame wars. People with different opinions would actually talk to each other with respect and civility, strange as it sounds. I just go where the wind blows, myself. If I get fed up with it here, I'll bounce.

Can't really stop the winds of change.
It's once again, inevitable.

 

[destroyerofassholes]

I think that's bound to happen when all that can be said has been said about the content. If they ever pick up steam things might cool down some because we'd have more to actually analyze rather than the drip feed we've gotten. You can't really do much with a drop that evaporates the moment it hits the surface.

I somewhat agree but also nah. Once fat content stacks stopped coming in obviously discussion slows down, but that shouldn't automatically lead to shitfests. Even way back when Kinu rants were just new in this thread, content drought would happen, and it would never get this bad.

I still blame it on the sudden new members. Maybe I'm just an old man yelling at clouds but this place is getting just as bad as the Fenoxo forums, it's just the other end of the extreme.

 

[Daddums]

I somewhat agree but also nah. Once fat content stacks stopped coming in obviously discussion slows down, but that shouldn't automatically lead to shitfests. Even way back when Kinu rants were just new in this thread, content drought would happen, and it would never get this bad.

I still blame it on the sudden new members. Maybe I'm just an old man yelling at clouds but this place is getting just as bad as the Fenoxo forums, it's just the other end of the extreme.

Eh, that happens. I just can't blame people reacting to the initial action as much as I can the assholes that started it.

Spoiler: Like with that whole NTR shitfest.

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It all reaches a boiling point. There's that long spiel about how the most dangerous man is the man who wants to be left alone and there's a great deal of truth to it. We're also getting the people who were sick and tired of the shit over there so they come over here. We may very well be getting some 4Channers over here too, but we may also not given how much they hate this place to begin with that they won't even let us join their Reindeer Games.

The fact is the more the dev team shows its blatant disdain for the customer base you're gonna get a lot more angry people showing up. However, I've never seen a drought from them this long and shallow which is why I think it's worse than it has been usually. Even when there were droughts, they'd usually follow up with something to make up for it, they don't do that anymore because it's obvious they got their paypigs and that ain't changing. They're like Nexon at this point, they really couldn't care less about their customers so long as they get theirs. Even Nexon ruins their games too!

 

[ankhtar]

It's also the holidays, so more people have more free time to whine in an online forum about 2D characters and long walls of text. Their anger isn't even entirely unjustified in this case, the game has gone from "let's give it some time to see if it becomes a solid CoC1 successor" to "where did this stinky pile of refuse come from?" real quick after the mantle was passed to the man we all know and love.

The shit flinging was inevitable. Some people will still be civilized through the entire thing but for the most part, to the rest, "polite" only really means "hold the foul language in unless you want the mods to descend from their golden thrones and purge the entire thread. Again.". Eventually the water in the kettle will start boiling and politeness goes right out the window. Just like my dignity, every time I try to fool myself into believing there's a few good things about the game.

I honestly don't mind new people joining the thread. If our negative opinions of the game can somehow keep them from supporting this incoherent train wreck and lining Savin's pockets even more, if nothing else, that's a good thing.
It's not a hard thing to do either. They only need to see the long forgotten mare/taur villages (or really most of the maps besides the mino city, to be fair), the absolutely enormous roster of characters who only have one or two short (and equally shallow) scenes and are then tossed aside, never to be touched or heard of again, and the lead writer himself, who despises anything that isn't his personal kinks and only ever includes that in whatever he writes, because screw anyone else. His patreons included. Unless they have their nose so far up his sphincter that they cheer everything he does, then they're cool.

 

[Noone202]

It's also the holidays, so more people have more free time to whine in an online forum about 2D characters and long walls of text. Their anger isn't even entirely unjustified in this case, the game has gone from "let's give it some time to see if it becomes a solid CoC1 successor" to "where did this stinky pile of refuse come from?" real quick after the mantle was passed to the man we all know and love.

The shit flinging was inevitable. Some people will still be civilized through the entire thing but for the most part, to the rest, "polite" only really means "hold the foul language in unless you want the mods to descend from their golden thrones and purge the entire thread. Again.". Eventually the water in the kettle will start boiling and politeness goes right out the window. Just like my dignity, every time I try to fool myself into believing there's a few good things about the game.

I honestly don't mind new people joining the thread. If our negative opinions of the game can somehow keep them from supporting this incoherent train wreck and lining Savin's pockets even more, if nothing else, that's a good thing.
It's not a hard thing to do either. They only need to see the long forgotten mare/taur villages (or really most of the maps besides the mino city, to be fair), the absolutely enormous roster of characters who only have one or two short (and equally shallow) scenes and are then tossed aside, never to be touched or heard of again, and the lead writer himself, who despises anything that isn't his personal kinks and only ever includes that in whatever he writes, because screw anyone else. His patreons included. Unless they have their nose so far up his sphincter that they cheer everything he does, then they're cool.

I can feel like the mods will delete this justifiable critic.

 

[Fikedever]

What about making the trio into companions?

I'm thinking they could make a unique idea and act together as a "single" companion. They would work together and act as one, with abilities reflecting each member.

Ill be honest tho I probably go with kitsunes due to daddy keros and my own uh undiagnosed father issues. I legit wish I could just dive into Keros's arms and cuddle for hours. No lewdness just cuddle and possibly cry on his shoulder.

That would be based if I didn't have a burning hatred for Keros for pulling a "I aged up your daughter so you missed your child hood, it's just a prank bro!". You know, cause he's the trickster god.

Why? Minogirls have been established as lactating spontaneously, the milk stalls were set up in-universe for their benefit, and otherwise for a particular fetish. It makes sense. No need to have cocks everywhere.(also cock-milking is *cough* stupid)

Fair enough. I haven't played any of KM, so I didn't have any context other than "milk stall" and what I knew of NT from TiTs. Prostitution just brings me out of the experience. It doesn't help that Sally was the introduction to it (for me), but maybe that is the fault of Tob's prose. The way she goes into legalese isn't what I'd call erotic.

that latter will make them have the same as before but only that you treat them better. You may not be able to imagine that but from their personality they are slaves that do what is told them and they only revolted because they got treated like shit. Their mental trauma make it so that they will only do what they get told because it is easier but else have no real drive. To make them back into persons with their motivation and not as mere servants you would have needed to send them away because they have to learn on hard way to think for themselve.

I'm not sure you have to send them away to do that. The way they are treated now, I would agree it might be the best option. Assuming they don't immediately get captured again (the roads out of Hawkthorne aren't exactly safe), you could work to bring back their independence. My view of the dom is to work to lift the sub up in their capabilities. The job of the sub is to work for those goals and improve themselves. The sub returns to the dom to give up control not because the sub lacks the ability to control their own life.

For example, the first time I saw Pavo's (blacksmith at Orc's camp) content, I imagined that the champion would be disappointed (perhaps disgusted) at his utter subservience. Pavo is approached by an outsider and the only creative idea he can come up with is to ask for a BJ... instead of for freedom. He has already given up; he lacks hope. What I would want from a pure route with Pavo would be a soft dominant PC taking him as a slave and giving him back confidence.

You could help train the Cat harem in combat to help them better defend themselves. If you could work out the logistics of them being companions, that would also play into it. Being able to defend themselves could certainly work to restore confidence and independence in their ability to not sit around at the tavern all day waiting for you to return.

The whole "send them south" option felt as cynical as the writers appear to be. You just rescued them from a really shit situation, from a guy who is probably lurking nearby to take advantage of your absence, and your brilliant idea is to leave them to their own devices. I'm not saying ownership is the only option (what about setting them up in Hawkthorne? That bar must need some workers), but it felt like an easy way to hand-wave the issue of, I dunno, developing a character or three.

I'm not saying the catgirl trio have to be our glorified cannon fodder, but they are proven fighters and aside, our Champion is meant to be salvaging as much of the world he can in preparation for a confrontation against the forces of Kasyrra. Why would you risk their probable corruption and/or abuse at the hands of another abuser? It makes no sense. It's even dumber when you get no further development with their situation, as if they stop have any autonomy whatsoever. That entirely contradicts when you first meet them and they seem inclined to maintain some degree of autonomy and self-protection.

I agree with all of this, and it probably better explains what I said above. I think part of the issue is that the writers never really planned them to be more than a jab at Hired Gun (does he still post in the blog post comments? I haven't checked them in over a year). We only got so much content for them because of William. Once the spite wears off, there isn't much more drive to create content.

I like how this thread has slowly turned to mainly complaints about the writers and staff working on CoC 2, don't get me wrong though I'm not criticizing, I have my fair share of complaints about them as well. In fact the whole reason I started typing this post was to ask other's how they feel about the writer's blatant hostility towards pretty much anyone on their forums. And it's not like I don't get some of it, it comes with the territory of making a porn game, but sometimes it seems like they are just outright antagonistic for no reason. They act like it would actually hurt them to disagree or tell someone no like a decent human being, they're usual go-to are responses that just make them all look like assholes.

I've worked on the side of development, so I can understand how things can go wrong, and I have a perspective of how the developers feel when dealing with clients. The type of shit that has been demanded of me and my team with short notice deadlines have pissed me the fuck off.

That said, I would never be allowed to act towards my clients in the way Savin and Co act towards their clients. This is written text. You can reread and come back to what you are going to post to really ask yourself if what you are about to say is really a good idea. You'd think a group of writers would understand that better than a programmer.

Okay, wtf are the .pak files in the locales folder because they sure as shit aren't archives, nor are they standard .pak files because I can't even open them with programs that supposedly open .pak files. This ain't my first rodeo trying to mod my games, and generally I manage once I do a bit of research, but this one leaves me stumped.

The locales folder is not what you are looking for. You are looking for the resources/app/ folder for the game content. Under that folder is a large main.X.js file where the X changes with each version. It's minified and difficult to parse. People (including me) are working on de compiling it. I have a mod loading tool I'm working on that currently beautifies it, but it has some issues due to the source map. I have ideas on how to fix it (and I know there is one person working with Regex that implemented a way to deal with the same issue in his own implementation, so it should work). I've temporarily changed my focus to working on mod injection utilities at the moment, as I can likely use them to modify the JS AST in the ways I want to improve the beautify part.

Honestly I try to avoid deep discussion about this game because of the wild inconsistency in central design for it, but the sad part is there are so many ways good feminist or sex-positive analysis/phil would hihlight the fucked up things this implies about views of women (esp sex workers who run brothels) despite trying to pass itself off as taking a moral stand. "Ah yes you encouraged her sluttiness so now that's what defines her; that's the natural consequence of this!". Talk about reducing the autonomy of women to consciously evaluate major changes in their life (and remember, most of this stuff is probably happening in a month of 'IRL TIME" tops because of the game design) and change organically.

This is reads as depressingly misogynistic shit dressed up as "you're QUESTIONING her CHOICES, what did you expect?" I've read in a while. And I say that as somebody who's an enthusiastic supporter of slutting it up and has an actual academic history of studying sex work - although yknow, the institutional way it's portrayed in this game makes me kinda creeped out a little bit. It's even fucking more insane when you realise their actual justification for this horribly one-sided narrative that basically reduces women's agency to "well you shouldn't have encouraged her to be slutty so she's incapable of conceptualising a balance of enjoying sexuality in an open way alongside romance" (or deconstructing either) BECAUSE doing so introduces a game mechanic of "trade offs" between one path or another? Aren't these the same goddamn people who flip the fuck out over the same shit being a reason to say stuff like "Mario shouldn't have to always rescue the princess"?

I mean sure who the fuck expects a nuanced understanding of the dangers of normalising sexualised behaviour as ritual practice in a videogame written by people with literally no professional experience in the history of sex, religion or power dynamics and are paid in a very specific system that incentivises finding a loyal subscriber base to live out their power fantasies instead of creating mass-market content that is commercial and makes a universal human point ... but christ.

clarification: not replying to the post, but the the image quoted (just to clarify)

"kinda creeped out a little bit"
Only kinda? When I first read it all I immediately started thinking that tobs was purposefully sabotaging the Mallachites in order to make his stuff look better by comparison.

Also, how does making Cait go from turbohorny for free because her religion to turbohorny for money because her religion cause her to be more turbohorny? Is she just in it for the money of selling her womb? The temple supposedly gives the infrastructure required to have the whole womb rental, so is the only reason she didn't do this before because she didn't have the infrastructure? Is getting her fat on miniotaur cum not encouraging the turbohorny by itself? Why is institutionalized prostitution the requirement for turbohorny encouragement?

Is Cait a demon? Am I being tricked? Was she stealing my soul at the start of the game? Have I ever actually seen my soul? How do I know I actually still have it...

Was this character, the one most prevalent in the game, planned at all?

I'd also like to hijack this to say that I'm deeply confused by how all of this is supposed to play into an open or poly-amorous relationship. Isn't that supposed to be Savin's thing? Certainly seems to be the goal of Anno, and I thought it was with Cait. I don't think I would be able to explain why I feel it doesn't make sense, because I'm not really into the whole open/poly-amorous deal, so I'm not an "expert" on the rules/expectations in that group.

I think I might be understanding this. If you choose the temple Cait becomes a fuckbuddy. She doesn't love the champion, just views them as a friend and so isn't set on having a baby with them. If you choose not to build the temple, Cait becomes either poly/open with the champion and wants to specifically have a baby with them.

Now, I'm obviously proverbially "writing the game" for them at this point. I would expect Savin to be the one to explain this in the game, not for me to try piecing this together. This isn't my "fetish", it's Savin's. Savin should be the one selling this content to me.

There was that one pol that put Brienne and Kiyoko above Cait despite Cait having way more content. I'm wondering if this is part of the problem. Is it possible that even open/poly people don't care for Cait?

So I've read in the thread that you can de-dick Evelyn and Berwyn (or at least that it is planned) is that feature implemented yet? Note: please don't bitch about it if you don't agree. I don't care about your opinion if you can't respect mine.

Read the viki but so far no info about it, and most importantly is it possible to do Evelyns content without having to give her blowjobs or handjobs or whatever? I can just about handle Arona, in the sense that I can ignore the fact that she has a dick (wish you could force her to drink a potion that gets rid of it, but sadly her author seems to be a dick in that regard... yes pun intended).

As for Evelyn I always get locked out of her content when I refuse her.

In regards to Evelyn, I was recently going through 4chan for the last week and I came across a this:

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So, I honestly don't know if Evelyn sub content is going to happen. Personally, I would much rather a writer be honest and say what they mean than rely on "3-day memory", mostly because I've come to the discovery that computers in fact, have long term storage.

No info yet on Evelyn tho other than Wsan saying he's planning on the expansion.

If he hasn't revealed much more info I would be very suspicious about it ever happening.

 

[NinjaNamedBob]

I never got the "Muh 4chan bogeyman" thing. If there is an "influx" of people expressing discontent about a project's direction, maybe you shouldn't bogeyman about how a certain internet message board has a reputation. Most of the time, a lot of the negativity for something comes from within a community, members seeking a place that isn't going to stomp them down for going against the consensus. People being assholes and bitching about content aren't trying to bring down the mood. They're saying things that the sycophants (like some of you praising this game as "great", fuck off and get some standards) are for some reason too scared to say. Or, maybe they're too stupid. I don't know. Let's not focus on that.

I'm also toxic when it comes to ass-kissers and lazy cunts. I have no patience for it. You enjoy something, fine. I enjoy SAO as a dirty pleasure. I would never praise its writing or world-building. I know a polished turd from a nugget of gold. My issue when someone says "this is the best!1!!!1" or "there aren't many things like this!" is that I know with one google search, shit can be found in bulk. Google is the Costco of content. You want it? It is there.

Fikedever I really hate spite-writing. I was on an rp forum once upon a time and when I had issues with a staff member, he actively killed my characters in an rp just to write them out. Couldn't just have them say "fuck your hero shit, we're out." Nope. Gotta stick it to someone. I can tolerate calling someone on their shit and even telling them to fuck off and get their shit together. When you go out of your way to kick dirt in someone's eyes, though, you deserve a pimp slap. With a brick.

Daddums It pisses me off when a developer has an active disdain for the people who enjoy their content. I recall the lead dev for Bayonetta threw a shit-fit when he saw someone made a doujinshi of Bayonetta. Besides her design, this shit will exist. Also, the author for D.Gray-Man hates her fans so much that she produces new chapters at a glacial pace to spite them. Personally, content creators who have an active disdain for their audience should either discontinue that project, or learn to live with it. The former means losing that power, but what does it get you besides a heart attack? The latter means learning to accept a universal truth: people can be shit, and often will be. You can join in the joke, or let it get to you so much that you end up with nothing.

 

[IndOnesia]

My mom used to tell me "Jerk off and forget it''
it works,now im only playing this game if i have an urge to put my below average penis into a keyhole
ignoring all the clowning that devs inserting into this AAAAAAAA-games

 

[IndOnesia]

oh and also please,lower your expectations
because the way i see it you guys want this game to:

1.Have a fucking complex combat system like a Final Fantasy/Divinity series
2.Super duper beautiful writing like a Witcher 3/Fallout new vegas
3.Harem Romance where you can fuck anything that walk but not for your companion/lover(Rance,Persona 3,4,5)
4.Detailed character customization where you can change 1 inch of your skin acne(The sims)
i could go on but i cant put my thought into writing because i dont speak america