Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.32] [Savin/Salamander Studios]
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- Aug 8, 2020
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Writers just a bunch of dickheads that got
Most of this stuff is pretty well documented, know you like to play damage control here for the game but the devs being shitheads ain't exactly fucking a new thing.
- Jun 11, 2021
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I find it amusing that the life lesson is "those women you idolize are nasty sluts. stop thinking they are anything other than a thot. they will fuck a string of shitty men no matter what you do".
kek.
on the one hand, he has a point.
on the other hand, why bother including this shit in the game? I don't want to be blindsided by finding out mai waifu is actually a nasty whore. The game is for fun, for escapism. We know real life sucks already. nobody wants that kind of shit they are peddling.
So yea, he has a point... and is more than welcome to shove that point right up his sanctimonious ass.
Because except WSan all the authers that still work on it are anti power fantasy. For those that played TiTS except WSans part the intended target audience for this game are imagined like those
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. That wife is only meaning that she lives with you under the same roof and mostly sleeps at night beside you but you have no problem if some other bull just want to have a piece of her or that the children she births are yours but so she haves no problem either if you just fuck any bitch that you run into.But of course this only counts for the players. The authers are god and so can act like god and so make their self inserts be sex gods that the whorse worship so much that they would even eat their shit.
- Jul 22, 2017
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I'm glad they're gonna do a second pubbie build. But christ, barren as shit. Like sure it brings the backer content to the public, but it defintely feels like a kick in the teeth to everyone.
Sure I don't ever expect anything from them, but I am tired of the fact that they are so bottle necked by the coding side.
Sure I don't ever expect anything from them, but I am tired of the fact that they are so bottle necked by the coding side.
Most of this stuff is speculation. That's simply a fact for any forum talking about what going on in game devs heads.
For instance, this specific thing that people just caught wind of happened...in 2020. The hobgoblin scene has been in the game for almost three years. It was also towards the beginning of development, when they were trying to do more bespoke loss scenes for companions, which they've since moved away from.
Savin also, from what I've seen, was the one who commissioned Tobs for the scene, not just something he wrote out of the blue. Not too mention that Brienne hadn't even been in the game that long, and the polls hadn't even happened, so Tobs being salty about Brienne is even more unlikely.
On top of all that...Brienne isn't more popular than Kiyoko. Not by the official polls at least. Kiyoko is the most popular companion by over 50%. Brienne is actually closer to Caits popularity than Kiyokos. So Tobs being jealous enough to write a spite scene towards another writer doesn't seem to have a strong reason behind it.
On top of that as has been pointed out, Brienne isn't actually the only one on the scene, just the only one people really care about.
Which is all to say, the idea that Tobs wrote it as some kind of spite move towards Wsan is...extremely unlikely.
Probably just got the request for the scene and was feeling kinda rapey that day.
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- Aug 12, 2021
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You might have a point BUT the best wife/mother material, that sweet subby chocolate amazonian Brienne still got raped by a bunch of goblins that "wE arEn'T aLlOweD tO KilL", quite racist too since we can only kill rapey demons/corrupted and not rapey [insert other races]
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It definitely wasn't a great scene on its own merits, I didn't like it. Tonally way out of wack with how loss scenes are normally handled.
But the idea that it was written purely to spite Wsan is specifically what I wanted to contest.
If this is the case then does justify the scene significantly more as Brienne would have had a more niche audience back then so people wouldn't have been as mindful of it as they are now. But even still, if their discord is anything to go by, I wouldn't put a lot of faith in the competency of the Devs.
Also, wasn't the official poll done on their Patreon? I'm not sure how it all works but if it was only the backers allowed to vote then I would definitely take the Polls results with a grain of salt. I'm pretty sure that most of the people that play this game haven't dropped a single dime on it. Also I think that Brienne won by a massive margin in the 4chan Polls, although I'm probably overestimating the size of the 4chan playerbase.
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- Apr 28, 2017
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Unless we're talking back to the future shenanigans, your premise is wrong.
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Not gonna factcheck the poll stuff cause can't be bothered, altough all i've seen had nothing of the sort going on (admiteddly can't point to them either but wasn't official ones), but fact of the matter is, writer who boasted about injecting spite in his writing wrote a spiteful rape scene for the other most popular companion(s) in the game. Which he'd admitted to not liking with that whole 'turning Brint into Brienne is the evilest thing in the game.'
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The 4chan polls had around 200 votes, if I'm reading it right? The Patreon one had about 2500. Bias or not, we're talking a pretty big sample size difference (and 4chan REALLY hates Tobs, so there's a bit of bias there too).
Not really my premise, just one of a bunch of points. But I think I might be mixing the dates of the imp tavern gangbang and the hobgoblin scene, so my bad on the dates.
If I recall, that quote wasn't about him not liking Brienne, it was him basically patting Wsan/the writers on the back for getting players to do something evil.
Which Wsan himself seems to agree with, judging by his comments on the subject.
That being said, I'm pretty sure Tobs has sad he's not a big fan of Brienne before at a different time.
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Fair enough, but again, assuming it were only Backers voting, I'd take it with a grain of salt. Although I suppose it wouldn't matter to the Devs as pleasing a paying audience is better than pleasing a ...well, non-paying audience, which is reasonable.
Also here's the poll, thanks to Kroenen:
Female companion poll (Patreon)
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- Apr 28, 2017
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It's quite literally your premise. If it's 2020 then your argument about the scene having been written at the beginning of development, and about Brienne having just been introduced in the game, and all that makes a degree of sense. If it's June 2021, then it just doesn't.
Only leaves the poll thing, which like i said in my edit dunno.
He wrote a fucked up rape scene for Wsan's characters without his knowledge. He's not praising him. He's making shit up to fit his narrative. Like, go on the discord, forum or whatever and tell him the foxes are inherently evil and so is helping them because they need to suck souls to survive, and see how fast he slams that take because it's not what he intended.
Similarly, write a rape scene for Kiyoko of the same kind he did for Brint/Brienne and see how happy he'd be about it (commissioned or not). Dude's a hypocrite, as if his avatar wasn't proof enough.
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Not...really?
The moving away from specific companions loss scenes is something Savin has said recently.
The fact that the polls weren't out yet when he wrote it is still true ( the polls and the dates I just posted, they happened in 2021 and 2022).
The fact that Kiyoko is still more popular on said poll is true.
The fact that Davin commissioned it...is probably still true (I'd have to actually look that up to 100% confirm amd I'm not quite that dedicated atm).
The only thing that changes is it was a bit later in development than I thought.
Like i said, Wsan agrees with him. I posted the quote last time this came up, but Wsan mentioned that the only reason it doesn't give corruption points is that the PC has wiggle room to not know what happening...but not the player.
The author is on board with his interpretation.
Whether or not he's a hypocrite isn't really what I'm talking about here...this isn't a general defense of Tobs or anything. I'm not really a fan.
This is just an example of how speculating why the devs do certain things is super shaky and taking said speculation as gospel probably isn't worth it.
- Sep 6, 2019
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I just checked out the artist and I just have to say one thing.
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Well that is some extremely stupid shit and is a bad look either way. You either have them doing it out of spite or they make rapey NTRish content for characters people are going to be attached to because... money I guess?
Regardless of why it was written, it's a shit scene that doesn't belong in the game. The fact that it's also the only scene this fucked up on a lovable and not controversial character is seriously fucking stupid. Test the waters with a minor character first if you actually wanna do that nasty shit.
Then again, this is just a massive display of dev bias. Wouldn't be surprised if "they" tried to do more of these scenes in the first place just because of Savin.
Who is in the scene isn't really the point. Brint or anybody else being in it is just as bad.
Thank you for reminding me people have terrible taste.
Regardless of why it was done, what does it matter? We know it was done behind Wsan's back and was upset about it. That's all that matters.
Speculation on why devs do things doesn't matter at the end of the day. If we're wrong, what changes? Nothing. And if we're right? Absolutely nothing. If nothing else, it's fun to concoct conspiracy theories of the devs doing evil shit and making it seem like an even bigger shit-show than it already is.
Going on a forum about a text-only smut game with an identity crisis and no self awareness is already not worth it but here we are
Yeah, it's definitely more of a CoC1 scene.
Well obviously, all the boring characters on on top and most of the good ones are on the bottom. People suck.Thank you for reminding me people have terrible taste.
Well I'd rather be posting about how awesome the new Berwyn content is but circumstances have made that kind of HARD.
- Apr 28, 2017
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Fair enough on the polls, altough that's some mighty bad taste on the patreon side, but that's pretty much what i said.
June 2021 isn't 'towards the beginning of development,' and by then they'd already moved away from companion loss scenes. Or at least i can't think of any that came out in or around that time, or since (also notice how that shit wasn't referenced in the changelog but rather got sneaked in there). That Savin commisioned it, i guess?
Which again leaves the poll stuff and that's it.
Meta ≠ EVIL
It's wonky because one might not want to give up Brint, so the game gives the player more time than due to pull back. I guess an argument could be made if one jumps Brienne from the get-go, but even then what comes after fits so bad with that choice that it's pretty clear shit's just meant to be wholesome and taken at face value.
In other words, it's not some complicated 5d chess to corrupt the player or the player character. Just meta. Same as the 0 corruption paladin dude raping folk after every other won encounter.
Sure, but going back to the beginning, did Tobs shut down Bubs when he brought up the Takahiro/Kiyoko stuff? Yes. Did he go on to write a rape scene for a similarly monogamous waifu without her creator's knowledge? Also yes. That's not speculation. Just tobs being tobs.