Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.33] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[NODOGAN]

I am 95% certain that Savin just hates his fans, actually, as do most of the other staff. I think they feel constrained by the CoC IP and end up taking out their frustrations on the fans of the first game, or those whom they perceive as such.

Why not make a new adult IP thought? i mean, TITS was literaly new after CoC and is doing pretty dam well, just...the SPITE shown on this to the players makes me sick cuz none of these fuckers be here if not for the players (specially those that donate to them!) and i could respect their craft IF they could writte 2 paragraphs without a fucking Plot-Hole in! (because i'm a huge Autistic for Consistency in my world-building and is one of the things i hang on to the most when playing these fantasy games cuz I LOVE THE IMMERSION, i love feeling a world exists and breathes and has a story to tell, and i hate it when there's plot-holes taking me out of the mood!)

 

[WhiteCafination]

I am 95% certain that Savin just hates his fans, actually, as do most of the other staff.

I am 100% certain that Savin and Co despise people who want corrupt choices and people that criticize them, this game is rapidly becoming a kinetic novel with some rpg elements in them.

Like I've thought of ways where you could improve the game beforehand whilst keeping the characters true to themselves, but now that they add in so much meaningless shit that it seems like the writers are in a competition to see which character is the best op Mary Sue/Gary Stu and they get the most dick and are so goddamn powerful they could whip anyone's ass but they don't because they have a tragic backstory where they saw their mom die from cum overload.

And speaking of the writing, i definitely think its because they're overly attached to each of their characters but that's not gonna cut it. I think most of Savin and Co try to write relatable characters, but end up writing admirable ones with no/minimal flaws. I think a good comparison of admirable vs relatable characters in the same setting would be the new Star Wars movies, it is much easier to write a good story about Finn, a cowardly traitor who gradually becomes a hero, than it is Rey due to the fact that Rey has limited/no flaws. And this is important because a mix between admirable and relatable characters can work if its important to the story, but it doesn't work in this case because it makes the relatable characters quest in the story seem meaningless and the character seem weak if the admirable guy can come in and do it in a weekend. (of course you could always write a relatable character that seems admirable but i doubt bubblelord would even think of something like that.)

 

[M0nte]

I hadn't thought of that. Being Keros' champion essentially gives you fuck-all. Meanwhile over at Tira Inc. you get much better benefits apparently.

Every writer seems to have a lot of free reign to write how super special their OCs can be apparently. Worldbuilding and consistency be damned.

Also yeah that entire corrupt route about "haha they just rape each other" is just gonna be contrived bullshit. Bubblelord is ass.

Yeah, it does contradict what developers wanted to do with whole champion thing. The whole reason why they did not give players any special buffs for being gods representative was from gameplay purpose. They did not want to make players feel forced into picking a god just so that they could maximize their champions potential. Which sounded reasonable to me. So from story purpose, I suspected that Gods could not do it or did not want to make you to powerful or some other thing.
And I prefered it that way. I enjoy it more if the new gained status played more of story significent than in gameplay front.

But no. Aperently they are just holding back on us or do not see us worthy. This same thing as gaining OP enemy character as your companion only for them to be weaker then they were when they were against you.

 

[Belphegor007]

Also, apparently they are going to explain why Gods can/will not rid of Kass themselves. In form of an easter egg.

Imagine putting such an extremely important bit of information as an easter egg.
God the gods are some of the most stupid characters in this game. I wish we were allowed to beat the shit out of their smug faces

 

[Adachithepersona4]

Imagine putting such an extremely important bit of information as an easter egg.
God the gods are some of the most stupid characters in this game. I wish we were allowed to beat the shit out of their smug faces

They Don't wanna put the effort in making an actual good story it seems lol. "Just make horny and don't think about the actual plot" like most other H-dev's lmao. Like honestly, I wish more H-Devs made an actual story before they begin the hentai aspect of the games. They always end up better and always make me go back to play them.

 

[throbzombie]

Why not make a new adult IP thought? TITS was literaly new after CoC and is doing pretty dam well ...

Brand recognition, my man. You think a Savin original IP would draw in 30 grand a month? Nah, he could shoot somebody in the head and not lose a cent on Patreon so long as he's making CoC2. TiTS had Fenoxo's name attached to it and was aggressively promoted by him from the beginning, neither of which can be said for CoC2. Sure, Savin worked on the first game, but so did a lot of people.
They were all just riding the green imp's coattails to begin with, and they're afraid they can't fly solo.

Imagine putting such an extremely important bit of information as an easter egg.

By definition, Easter eggs are semi-canon at best, so...yeah, not gonna get answers outta that.

 

[throbzombie]

Or maybe make our own mod for CoC 2 that removes a lot of the problems with the game and lore. Just saying, honestly these pricks are just stealin money from people with a project they have no idea what to do to write or construct properly.

I don't know if you're serious about that, but in case you are:

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[Mr Technician]

^ To comment on that - i would feel realy strange to write some text for a mod. Than read it inside the game to get a boner... if you know what i mean. And for others to experience what i realy mean i have made an outstanding graphics which can visualize also my level of writing text - i guarante its just as good!

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[Adachithepersona4]

I don't know if you're serious about that, but in case you are:

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True.

 

[Mr Technician]

I will try to make character appearance description now...

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[M0nte]

I will try to make character appearance description now...

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Still better girl than Azy.

 

[MogwaiKupo]

This is so tiring to read. I don't think anybody actually gives half a fuck about what abilities Tira gives to her champions.

Like holy fuck the man actually bothered to write about how amazing Leofric was that he cannot be killed 'cuz he regenerates like Wolverine apparently. Also unless you're Super Special you dont get her True Gifts.

He seems so overly excited about his OCs and for whatever reason expects everyone else to really be intrigued by generic Goddess number 2 and generic abilities? I've seen better fanfiction written by morons than this professional writer writing this pathetic, miserable excuse of a paragraph.


Is this meant to be ironic? Like is this perhaps some deep level of sarcasm that I can't even detect? Because this is just..actually sad. Like not even bad, just straight up sad. Even Tobs seems more self-aware.

Like apparently, we cannot even KILL leofric. When we beat him it's because he will give up to respect our efforts.

That is one hundred percent copium. Someone else wrote this before me about how when they oneshot Leofric the text would probably say that it was a tough fight or something, yeah that's 100 percent confirmed. Dude is apparently unbeatable and will only lose 'cuz he respects our effort.

I have no words. I've written some witty insults about Tobs but I actually have no words here. Is this a self insert? Like for what reason did he actually put an unbeatable super special asshole who only loses to us 'cuz he got bored? And why is he actually taking this seriously?

You dare underestimate Bubbleord's power, this man looked at Nakano said "yeah, I can one-up that" and actually managed to outshine Tobs by writing arguably the most insufferable Kitsune NPC. Tobs fought back with Adult Kinu but Takahiro is still trying to hold the throne.
Just to add fuel to the fire. Apparently even Takahiro is stronger than us. The spear he's holding isn't his true weapon and while he's drunk he's apparently level 6 or 7. If he were to ever become sober he'd be on a whole nother level. Also he was planned to be released with scenes with you walking in on Kiyoko "with" him.
Tobs probably sent a 5-page letter and it was omitted from his outdated doc.

My problem with the writing of CoCII is that it doesn't feel integrated in the game for the player. You see when you DM for a pen and paper rpg one big challenge, if you don't follow a campaign, is how the world and its characters are in relation with the players. While the universe isn't centered on the players it's still their story and they shouldn't be treated as NPCs for the glory of your own creation. Here there is a lot of "they are better than you but will still do nothing" like the Baroness : seriously her whole encounter is about how she is powerfull, want to help but won't help because she swore to not do it.
It's not a concept easy to express but I often feel than rather than playing and accomplishing something I read how others are better.

The problem stems from the fact that you can never call anyone out. Carmen is incompetent, I was surprised that she was even written admitting that . Her oath to pacifism is horrible because she doesn't even go into detail. How hard is it though to write an option for your blob MC to point out that kids died, they were at her doorstep, and unless she was planning to fling a giant fireball at the city to catch her cousin, things literally couldn't have gone worse. It's worse here because you were given an option to call out her incompetency when you were trying to help Etheryn, so I guess they learned a lesson about player agency in this game between scenes.

 

[Mr Technician]

I would bet that Carmen is a Vampire.
Pros:
+ lives in a castle, some rooms are dusty - she dont want coffin to be found
+ is old while young looking
+ sworn the oath of non-interfere
+ is a pail skin
+ Atugia has no neck and they were togheter

 

[Jwow3]

You dare underestimate Bubbleord's power, this man looked at Nakano said "yeah, I can one-up that" and actually managed to outshine Tobs by writing arguably the most insufferable Kitsune NPC. Tobs fought back with Adult Kinu but Takahiro is still trying to hold the throne.
Just to add fuel to the fire. Apparently even Takahiro is stronger than us. The spear he's holding isn't his true weapon and while he's drunk he's apparently level 6 or 7. If he were to ever become sober he'd be on a whole nother level. Also he was planned to be released with scenes with you walking in on Kiyoko "with" him.
Tobs probably sent a 5-page letter and it was omitted from his outdated doc.


The problem stems from the fact that you can never call anyone out. Carmen is incompetent, I was surprised that she was evenbwritten admitting that . Her oath to pacifism is horrible because she doesn't even go into detail. How hard is it though to write an option for your blob MC to point out that kids died, they were at her doorstep, and unless she was planning to fling a giant fireball at the city to catch her cousin, things literally couldn't have gone worse. It's worse here because you were given an option to call out her incompetency, when you were trying to help Etheryn, so I guess they learned a lesson about player agency in this game between scenes.

You're totally right. Not being able to choose to call people on their stupid shit in a choice based setting kinda rubs me the wrong way. Especially when I'm a 7ft tall level 35 warrior with dual wield Belharan claymores getting talked to about the 'power' he or she or they used to have and my insignificance from young old rich ladies asking me to clean up their shit. Bitch, I'm the greatest power around these parts, it's why I'm the champion and you're asking me to clean your shit in the first place. I've cleaned so much shit in this place its become my regular workout. Also spent a lot of time fucking with game code to ensure my power level is above 9000 and I would like my efforts to be appreciated or at the very least noticed.

 

[M0nte]

You dare underestimate Bubbleord's power, this man looked at Nakano said "yeah, I can one-up that" and actually managed to outshine Tobs by writing arguably the most insufferable Kitsune NPC. Tobs fought back with Adult Kinu but Takahiro is still trying to hold the throne.
Just to add fuel to the fire. Apparently even Takahiro is stronger than us. The spear he's holding isn't his true weapon and while he's drunk he's apparently level 6 or 7. If he were to ever become sober he'd be on a whole nother level. Also he was planned to be released with scenes with you walking in on Kiyoko "with" him.
Tobs probably sent a 5-page letter and it was omitted from his outdated doc.

I always though that it was weird how Nakano excused and even supported us when we punched Nakano. I thought it was out of character. Now I know better. You know that you are bad a character when Nakano can justify us hitting you.

The problem stems from the fact that you can never call anyone out. Carmen is incompetent, I was surprised that she was evenbwritten admitting that . Her oath to pacifism is horrible because she doesn't even go into detail. How hard is it though to write an option for your blob MC to point out that kids died, they were at her doorstep, and unless she was planning to fling a giant fireball at the city to catch her cousin, things literally couldn't have gone worse. It's worse here because you were given an option to call out her incompetency, when you were trying to help Etheryn, so I guess they learned a lesson about player agency in this game between scenes.

I feel like the reason why we are special is not because of our soul, learning ability or whatever. Or us being the most capable one. Since apperently a lot of people have our numbers from false gods to surfer bros. We are special because we are only ones capable of not sitting on our asses entire time while world is burning around us. Lazy god these people are incompetent.

 

[arls120]

Excuse me, but is Takahiro really that bad? The only thing that provoked me is that I spend it looking for a way to reform his alcoholism ..... I really started talking to everyone until I realized that there is still no way XD, but in truth he does not It bothers me until I want him to find a way to have a relationship with him but it seems that it will not be possible because if I am not mistaken he seems to end up married to one who works as a guardian

 

[M0nte]

Excuse me, but is Takahiro really that bad? The only thing that provoked me is that I spend it looking for a way to reform his alcoholism ..... I really started talking to everyone until I realized that there is still no way XD, but in truth he does not It bothers me until I want him to find a way to have a relationship with him but it seems that it will not be possible because if I am not mistaken he seems to end up married to one who works as a guardian

Takahiro bothers me for multiply reasons.
First- his sex scenes are lame. Our champion is annoying with all of theirs "Takahiro, Ta-ka-hirooooooooooooo!!!!" thing where they just can not help but scream his name. He also only pitches which to me already puts him multiply tiers below stuff like that brown elf boy in the forest.
Second- you can play that alcohol game where if he wins, he gets to play sexual tricks on you. But if you win, you just get money. Lameeeeeeeeee.
Third- his personality is annoying. I do not belive that alcoholism is the cause for his rotten personality. It is just the symptome.
Fourth- Most of his one of events do not paint him in best light.
Fifth- But even with all that we know of him, game will still expect me to feel sorry for him enough to where I am going to help him get together with that lady
Sixth- Another male character that ends up set off to be with someone else. I am getting tired of it. What is more, that is most of Kitsune male cast.
Seventh- Compared to every other Kitsune, he is so bare bones that you wonder what is the point of him
Eight- him being only fuckable named male Kitsune for a long time made me sad. At least now we have Keros to fall back on so I lost all interest for him.

 

[arls120]

Takahiro bothers me for multiply reasons.
First- his sex scenes are lame. Our champion is annoying with all of theirs "Takahiro, Ta-ka-hirooooooooooooo!!!!" thing where they just can not help but scream his name. He also only pitches which to me already puts him multiply tiers below stuff like that brown elf boy in the forest.
Second- you can play that alcohol game where if he wins, he gets to play sexual tricks on you. But if you win, you just get money. Lameeeeeeeeee.
Third- his personality is annoying. I do not belive that alcoholism is the cause for his rotten personality. It is just the symptome.
Fourth- Most of his one of events do not paint him in best light.
Fifth- But even with all that we know of him, game will still expect me to feel sorry for him enough to where I am going to help him get together with that lady
Sixth- Another male character that ends up set off to be with someone else. I am getting tired of it. What is more, that is most of Kitsune male cast.
Seventh- Compared to every other Kitsune, he is so bare bones that you wonder what is the point of him
Eight- him being only fuckable named male Kitsune for a long time made me sad. At least now we have Keros to fall back on so I lost all interest for him.

Well, I have to accept some of your points, although I don't think their sex scenes are boring, but hey, everyone has their own tastes. In which I have to say that you are absolutely right is the one in which in the end we will have to help him to commit ........ (-__-) is that perhaps Brint will be the only man in this game who does not We will jump so he has another, if I find out that Brint has someone in the city minotaur ..... unfortunately he died in a fire with all the other people. :3

 

[Deleted member 3463984]

Well, I have to accept some of your points, although I don't think their sex scenes are boring, but hey, everyone has their own tastes. In which I have to say that you are absolutely right is the one in which in the end we will have to help him to commit ........ (-__-) is that perhaps Brint will be the only man in this game who does not We will jump so he has another, if I find out that Brint has someone in the city minotaur ..... unfortunately he died in a fire with all the other people. :3

he's gonna get a harem but it's optional

 

[M0nte]

Well, I have to accept some of your points, although I don't think their sex scenes are boring, but hey, everyone has their own tastes. In which I have to say that you are absolutely right is the one in which in the end we will have to help him to commit ........ (-__-) is that perhaps Brint will be the only man in this game who does not We will jump so he has another, if I find out that Brint has someone in the city minotaur ..... unfortunately he died in a fire with all the other people. :3

Well, in future Brint expansion, you will be able to get him to have a harem of girls. While it is optional,yeah... The only really monogimous boy is Berwyn. Sure, he can fuck Cait and his mistress, but compared to Brint and Quin " I got away with kidnapping " Tilus, he is basically a virgin. He is trully the best boy, and soon, the best girl.