Snowmanly

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It's my power fantasy. I conquer women, and their families if they want me to(Brienne). I don't touch sub-par, disloyal whores(Cait). I defeat evil enemies, like my ancestors in myths. I reclaim lands, build cities, castles, and even conquer my nemesis' daughter and impregnate her. I enslave evil demons that try to do the same to me, and I pick my friends well.

Let me fuck the big wolf woman. Nobody cares if it's your OC. It's a game. The enemies can fuck my companions if I lose combat(Never happened so far), so why can't I fuck other people's wives?
 

smithsmithsmith

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Let me fuck the big wolf woman. Nobody cares if it's your OC. It's a game. The enemies can fuck my companions if I lose combat(Never happened so far), so why can't I fuck other people's wives?
Because they don't want to write it and don't want to commission anyone else to write it either. It's not that deep.
 

mrttao

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It's my power fantasy. I conquer women, and their families if they want me to(Brienne). I don't touch sub-par, disloyal whores(Cait). I defeat evil enemies, like my ancestors in myths. I reclaim lands, build cities, castles, and even conquer my nemesis' daughter and impregnate her. I enslave evil demons that try to do the same to me, and I pick my friends well.

Let me fuck the big wolf woman. Nobody cares if it's your OC. It's a game. The enemies can fuck my companions if I lose combat(Never happened so far), so why can't I fuck other people's wives?
Because its their precious OC and/or self insert and they are engaging in inflict type magical realm.
In inflict type magical realm the DM/GM inflicts his fetishes on the players, the players exist to be the victims of his own fetishes. the GM gets off on having his self insert do something specific to the player (often cuck them or rape them).

They literally masturbate going "real live human beings are going to play my game and my big strong self insert is going to cuck them!!!" *fap fap fap* "oh yea, fuck. my self insert is going to breed their fucking innocent little daughter and there is nothing they can do about it but cry." *fap fap fap*

If the player was able to turn things around then they wouldn't be getting their rocks off, instead they would feel like they are the one who got violated. To them it is not just "a game", it is them inflicting their fetishes on some real life victim. When you find yourself stuck in an inflict type magical realm the only winning options are not to play... or to use mods.

Incidentally the reason they raged so much about mods in their older games was exactly that. Those mods opened up their self inserts for retribution. CoC and TiTs both have their share of sacred cow SI's that were untouchable, that the "owner of the character" forbade any content that puts them in any position other than dominant / fucking over the MC. Whether that owner was a writer or a commissioner.

This has caused many player blowups over the years.
 
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Basty96

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How is Lusamine is even NTR? I don't think it's implied that Mercs have any romantic relationships. Were they fuck buddies? That's not really NTR.
so you didn't get the event where Cait forces her to get facefucked by everyone with a dick in the bar? (atleast i think it was everyone)
 
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Because its their precious OC and/or self insert and they are engaging in inflict type magical realm.
In inflict type magical realm the DM/GM inflicts his fetishes on the players, the players exist to be the victims of his own fetishes. the GM gets off on having his self insert do something specific to the player (often cuck them or rape them).

They literally masturbate going "real live human beings are going to play my game and my big strong self insert is going to cuck them!!!" *fap fap fap* "oh yea, fuck. my self insert is going to breed their fucking innocent little daughter and there is nothing they can do about it but cry." *fap fap fap*

If the player was able to turn things around then they wouldn't be getting their rocks off, instead they would feel like they are the one who got violated. To them it is not just "a game", it is them inflicting their fetishes on some real life victim. When you find yourself stuck in an inflict type magical realm the only winning options are not to play... or to use mods.

Incidentally the reason they raged so much about mods in their older games was exactly that. Those mods opened up their self inserts for retribution. CoC and TiTs both have their share of sacred cow SI's that were untouchable, that the "owner of the character" forbade any content that puts them in any position other than dominant / fucking over the MC. Whether that owner was a writer or a commissioner.

This has caused many player blowups over the years.
This sums up the greatest issue with this game rather succinctly.

Well done.
 

muschi26

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They added a defeat scene where the Champion gets held down Crow style and Brienne is specifically picked out and straight up raped infront of them
Which one is that? The Arona one?

And as if that wasn't enough, before then there was already a very similar scene for both Brienne and Kiyoko with the minotaur guards
Another defeat scene? Or do you give them over for them to let you in? Because if it's the latter, that's a typical NTR game-type scene lol.

Lusamine isn't your girlfriend. Or in any kind of relationship with you at all. Heck, technically you guys are enemies when she's on the clock.

That scene isn't at all NTR.
I didn't actually. But unless it's written in a very specific way, I still doubt it's NTR.
It's still the type of scene that people get touchy about; same reason they made Etheryn/Hashat scene optional. (You can avoid it by not gossiping too much, but it's an unpleasant surprise if you don't know that.)
 
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mrttao

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Lusamine isn't your girlfriend. Or in any kind of relationship with you at all. Heck, technically you guys are enemies when she's on the clock.

That scene isn't at all NTR.
When people say NTR they typically mean "a scene for cucks", that is "a scene that invokes the same feeling of humiliation you get from netorare". even if it is "technically not NTR because of X".
There are many ways in which such a scene can be achieved without technically being NTR
 

Skandranon

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When people say NTR they typically mean "a scene for cucks", that is "a scene that invokes the same feeling of humiliation you get from netorare". even if it is "technically not NTR because of X".
There are many ways in which such a scene can be achieved without technically being NTR
Even in that scene, Lusamine specifically wants to fuck you, but Cait doesn't let her because she'd enjoy it too much.
It's the polar opposite of NTR. The only person being humiliated in that scene is Lusamine.

Just because people say something doesn't make it true. There's no NTR in that scene (or cucking either, for that matter).
 

Fiz1247

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How is Lusamine is even NTR? I don't think it's implied that Mercs have any romantic relationships. Were they fuck buddies? That's not really NTR.
If you click gossip multiple times then a scene will play which is literally called LusamineCuck() in the save editor. Cait drags Lusamine off to get gangbanged by the inns patrons while you watch and Cait tells you are not allowed to join.
Lusamine isn't your girlfriend. Or in any kind of relationship with you at all. Heck, technically you guys are enemies when she's on the clock.

That scene isn't at all NTR.
You might be right about there not being a relationship but the scenes literally called LusamineCuck() if that's not NTR than I don't know what is
 

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I really don't see how "Oh that mercenary chick that I vaugley know is getting blowbanged, weird." is in any way NTR. Do people really get a feeling of humiliation from watching a stranger engage in public sex?
 

Wrynn13

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Okay I take it back if Cait is flat out telling you you can't have any of this why the whole bar is then I guess that's NTRish. More like Cait just being a bitch and more reason not to have anything to do with the turboslut though.
 
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mrttao

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Even in that scene, Lusamine specifically wants to fuck you, but Cait doesn't let her because she'd enjoy it too much.
It's the polar opposite of NTR. The only person being humiliated in that scene is Lusamine.
More than one person can be humiliated in a scene.
ok so... I have not played through that scene because I dropped the game awhile ago.
So please correct me if I got anything wrong below.

What I got from reading all the comments people said about that scene is this impression:
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Skandranon

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3. she submits to you, you have conquered her, and now she is asking to seal that submission by having you claim her sexually. This is your reward for being a conquering hero who defeated your opponent.
...no. You guys are hanging out in a bar off the clock, and you keep asking her for gossip. No sex is happening at all.

4. your companion steps in... hold on a moment! She deserves to be punished!
>MC: yes, I was just going to punish her with my cock right now
NO! instead of you being a conquering hero, step aside and let me create a gangbang where a bunch of rando men fuck me and her and you watch and masturbate like a pathetic cuck.
No to all of this. As you are gossiping, she repeatedly and loudly calls Cait a whore. Your character is basically egging her on (the game actually tells you as you keep doing this Cait is getting mad, and is probably going to do something about it). You guys aren't having sex or about to have sex, because there's a "have sex" button that you have to actively NOT be pressing.

5. also you are powerless to stop this.
You have to cause it in the first place, and then, I'm almost positive you can just opt out of the scene. Cait takes Lusamine off and you just hang out at the bar.



She is not your love interest, she is not your girlfriend, she is not your wife. Thus technically by the dictionary definition this is not NTR.

However, she is your PRIZE for your victory. And the emotions invoked for having to stand aside and have your prize snatched from you on your moment of victory. To stand there with your limp dick in your hand and tears of humiliation in your eyes as you watch her being gangbanged by randos... is indistinguishable from NTR.
Your emotions do not give a fuck about technicalities.
None of this is true.
 

mrttao

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Your character is basically egging her on
Just to clarify, when I say "you" I mean "the player" not "your character".
"your character" often has his mind hijacked from the player to do what the devs want them to.
because there's a "have sex" button that you have to actively NOT be pressing.
There is? So what are people complaining about then?
 
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