I was unaware you meant Calise, but quite a few people are capable of wiping Kas no problem. The ones that come to mind first are the Baroness and the sleepy snake. I'm almost positive there's more though.
Honestly, I think it's one part of the lore I totally skipped over. It is kinda fucked up. Seriously, all they needed to do to make it probably alright is to just make it a part of their culture or something. Ain't nothing wrong with a fantasy race/nation that treats sex as something casual and something they should spread. Then just make Cait join the religion willingly and establish that the religion is the result of this culture being so open to sex. I don't get why they needed to make this part of bubbly, cheerful cat girl this dark, as if it's supposed to be a serious commentary on the nature and potential danger religion or something.
I mean, I am a bit shallow, so I am fine with her, thought if I had to pick an actual favorite it would probably be Lusamine even thought she isn't the most brilliant character. She is fun and has a nice design and that's enough for me.
To me this defo feels like the game being completely unable to commit to serious consequences because it would require massive plot changes they aren't willing to make. Kinda how in
I mean, they also suffer the classic case of Indie-game-itis where dark / sad = DEEP characters.
There is "character as a person (pretend they are real)" and "character as a fictional entity created by author for a reason".
That is some bs and you know it. In every single game, our main goal is thrust upon the champion. In COC1 the MC is isekaid on purpose. We are one of many expendable soldiers "chosen" (you are not special, you're fodder) and sent off to the pits of hell in the hopes of stopping a demonic threat from taking over one dimension and possibly others. Getting Hells Paradise vibes now that I think about this.
Look, far be it from me to defend bad characters. But, Cait's motivation and the MC's goals are completely different. She's not nearly that important (content favoritism aside). Your quest is to go stop Kasyrra. The goal at least conceptually is the same as CoC1's MC to stop Lethice. Cait is just the kill rats sidequest that gets you out the door into the greater quest. Which is to go to Kasyrra and stop her. Unless you romance her in which case your quest is to... still do the same thing but I guess use the wooden sticks.
Excluding the numerous endings where you just stop doing your quest of your own volition because you don't actually care about it. Yes, yes, "not cannon". The MC and player both have a lot more control of their own quest. The vast majority of TiTS that you can engage with you do so only because you want to. When you're down their swashbuckling with pirates and natives, you're doing this because you wanted to. You don't have to and the story and the sidequest(s) progresses with various outcomes depending on what you did or did not want to do.
I'm sure I don't need to explain to you why a player controlled MC doing something and an NPC doing something are completely different in regards to player reception and relevance. Such a thing is as simple to understand as the difference between "giving" and "receiving".
Caits sidequest is not your end-point goal. It's a sidequest. That's like saying aiding "marae" is an endpoint goal when she falls out of the story after you help her with the factory and afterwards you're completely on your own.
Couldn't agree more.
That doesn't change anything? The argument was that the previous games had more obvious and tangible reasoning for being on the adventure they're on. It being thrust onto them doesn't suddenly invalidate that.
So then don't make a story that's so in your face. This was not a problem in previous games.
Nobody said anything about the quality of the stories in these games. Everybody knows they're flimsy excuses to just have a smut adventure. People think Cait is more of an MC than us because she has an actual goal(that doesn't get incredibly muddied by romancing the main fucking villain), is the reason the plot gets kicked off, is a Mary Sue, forces herself into a lot of content randomly, and is an obvious dev pet. I don't agree with the view, but I do understand why someone would think that way.
You're missing out, she's the best merchant in the game and as the other guy said, offers up a bunch of people to bang. I don't hate "Savin's Skanks" because they straight up tell you they sleep around and you shouldn't expect a monogamous relationship with them. And that's fine, my Champion/Steele gets weak-kneed every time he comes across a dominant woman/futa and ends up as a heaving mess after they're done with him. If my Champion/Steele is such a slut why would I be mad that Anno/Cait sleeps around?
You know what show does that but does it so much better than COC2? Goblin Slayer. The MC isn't the chosen one or the most powerful adventurer around, but the shit he does still influences the world in some way and people will go to him if help is needed within his area of expertise. There's also a shit ton of scenes that make him look as badass as possible, but the authors of COC2 would never do something like that, probably because they can't. It doesn't help that the people who support them for whatever reason like feeling like a chump when they wanna escape reality to play an RPG.
Would be great if that were the case, then all the champions would at least feel equal in importance to the story. But that isn't the case if what people here are saying is true regarding how Cait's story is the narrative thread leading to confronting Kas among other major plot points. While I'm usually one not to take these things seriously, part of me is inclined to believe it since her story is moving at the slowest pace, otherwise I can't fathom why else there has not been more stuff if not because it's integral to the major story points coming up in the future or end of the series. One of these days I'll just bite the bullet and join the discord to spoil myself on all the storylines.
Also, don't look to deeply into this, I could go on on about the problems of each game. Like when you said you are creating your own quest for TITs. I would hardly consider that the sidequest counts as part of your quest. They are more minigames than anything, in relation to their importance or outcome towards the world. It only feels like a part of your quest because and this is an important part of enjoying these text games: you are roleplaying, you fill in missing details, and ponder on scenarios that might have led you into a certain mess. You might have been a heroic "swashbuckling" tale with the natives, and another person could have been coldly monitoring any weakness in the natives that would allow Steele Tech to swiftly take over and reap benefits over the resource-rich Mhen'ga. These miniguns (Edit: minigames, but I got a chuckle from it so I'll leave it) are often vague enough that you could turn the outcome into a good or bad one for your Steele.
I keep hearing that Goblin Slayer is so good, but I always end up watching/playing something else instead lmao The MC does look dope af though.
Ah the ol' Schrodinger's Minigun. You don't know if it's a good minigun or a bad minigun until you fire it
People wanting a role to play in their RPG aside from being Yes-Man isn't the biggest thing in the world to ask for. This game wanted to be a story-heavy game, and so must deal with the criticisms story-heavy games get. There's a reason why you don't see very many Dragon Quest Vs floating around (you quite literally are not The Hero in that game). Oblivion manages it in some respects, Martin Septim is very much the Chosen One (he's the one who defeats Mehrunes Dagon) but it's acknowledged that he would never have gotten that far without you. Kingdom Come: Deliverance is in the same boat, you're never not the son of a blacksmith. Sure you become a squire to a Lord, but you're still relatively low on the totem pole. However, once again that Lord would be absolutely lost without you. CoC2 seems like it's trying this method, but it's incredibly hard to both do that and make it enjoyable. KC: D gives you plenty of other things to do to really make you feel like someone, such as learning how to read. Oblivion does you one better, and lets you become a Daedric Prince in one of the greatest DLCs ever made.
I disagree. I belive the Champion does plenty that results in a lot of influence.
This person said and I quote " In CoC2, there is no such goal. There's no real rhyme or reason for the MC to do what they are doing." The goal of COC and COC2 are the same exact thing, their not even trying to hide it. There was nothing obvious or tangible about it in both cases, because you the player took control of the MC at a certain point in their life and both you and them knew fuck all about what was really happening in the world they were sent into or are currently in. I don't know if it's because the game got a conclusion that you think they had more ambitious goals through rp scenarios you had while playing but nope there was not such a thing. If you are going to say one goal is lacking then the same applies to the other.
And to that, I'll say, suck it up and avoid it, so that it's not in your face. You have the option to, why complain? The gentleman or gentlewoman above me said it best. "COC2 is a narrative game", you're not gonna be able to rp through as much as you could in the former games, but like the former games. If there was something you did not like you could avoid it.
It fascinates me how close you were to getting it, then took a full 180. The story is not important, people can think Cait's goal is more important or fulfilling goal than conquering the queen of demons through combat or pure rizz. I'm saying people are just bringing lore they don't care about, to say why their mad an NPC is sleeping with other people. I know they don't care about it because they can't even realize that the MC has the same goal copied and pasted straight from COC
Also of course they are a dev pet, a dev writes for them. They are their character and should strive to put in as much effort into them, just like how Ryn is a dev pet, her author puts way too much time into her but I'm not complaining because it means more content. The same goes for Kiyoko and Brint/Brienne who by far had the most content out of the bunch. Until recently, Ryn got expac so that might not be true anymore. Even you admit you don't agree with that view. Like them, I'm expressing my opinion about how they're wrong/misleading they are. If I got to get on a high horse to push them off theirs then I'll do it. Cause you did not even bother to say the same to them when they responded, someone has to and I had too much free time to do it.
I think it's been stated that there will be more opportunities to raise your romance so it's not locked in yet. Whether you will be able to in Mino city though I'm not sure off. The range of her relationship score is like 4 and minimum so it may take multiple events to get her to love you if you continuously antagonized her.
