Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.35] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

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I'm sure some people are more than happy Ryn is male

 

[gillriss]

Thank you, I'm gonna try it

But if these are the only changes I don't see how it can be so much better than the Vanilla. I mean, I never even knew about Ryn's scene with Hashat because I never gave that character any attention, etc. I'll keep an eye on the mod as well the Original and see what else will come on the mod.

Welcome to my world, I'm not optimistic to see where the mod goes because it has all the potential to be just quality of life and no story editing... you know, the thing that actually needs fixed.

 

[Kallisto]

Hm, so that's why Ryn got disjointed so suddenly. Could have sworn they wrote some romantic stuff too, but am I mistaken again?

Yeah, pretty sure they did Ryn's nursing scene where they nurse a lactating PC's tits. They seem to do a lot of lovey dovey scenes or at least scenes on the sweeter side.

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And Alypia has stated before that they are one of the only writers for the game (not on the team but who submits stuff semi regularly? i think?) that plays a female PC with no dick. I hoped that this would mean they'd throw us masculine male-lovers a bone but nah, they seem very into futas (and fems) - hence all the Ryn dicking them stuff.

 

[RenH]

Considering how protective BubbleLord is towards his OCs, I wouldn't be surprised.

As you can see, BubbleLord is an incredibly polite and sophisticated individual of the highest calibre. Clearly, we, the Players, are at fault for Leofric's behavior for how can us peons fathom the great depths of the character constructed by the Lord of Bubbles?

 

[Futa_Buddy]

So I've been replaying the game recently and I'm doing the quest to build a temple to Malach in Hawkthorne, during the convo with Carmen (horribly underused character) she says the she needs to talk to Severine posthaste... does anyone know who this Severine person is? And why did they name drop her there without any context?

 

[WazaQQXOXO]

Thank you, I'm gonna try it

But if these are the only changes I don't see how it can be so much better than the Vanilla. I mean, I never even knew about Ryn's scene with Hashat because I never gave that character any attention, etc. I'll keep an eye on the mod as well the Original and see what else will come on the mod.

From a mechanics point of view, I can get behind the introduction of the level cap raise (from 6 to 10) and the consumables (Stat boost). The former feels necessary once you get roam the Undermountain while the latter makes earning gold meaningful.

I tried it for the Quint's scene and it's more about you telling Quint how "great" he is than about actually fucking that asshole.

I mean, Quint is always on top, init?

First time posting in this thread. Yet after reading the whole thread it seems that the 4chan general and here have reached the same conclusions.
-Savin is uncapable to make a decent game
[...]
Is almost painful know that this game that had too much potential is going to waste thanks to 1 of the devs (Savin) and the sperg in chief (Tobs).

I agree with your post, but I feel you underestimate the role of Savin in this fucking debacle. This lad is the main writer / team leader /creator of the game. Not an intern, not a secretary, not one dev,but the dude in charge of overseeing the whole project. Nothing should happen without him stepping in. Yet we end up with Bubs and Tobs.

 

[actualrealname]

I recently did Gweyr quest for the first time, and I'll give Tobs props that he can at least do like, action-adventure writing well?

He's definitely much more competent at this than the bizarre half thought through drama he tends to write (and most of his sex scenes, guy is like a thesaurus that only takes definitions from urban dictionary), though I can't stand the way he writes villains personally.
They're all so incredibly lacking in charisma or intimidation, and one only even works because it forces the champ to be a retard and just not stop them for some reason.

That being said, dumb tropey villains are still a huge step up from dumb tropey melodramatic NPCs we're forced to care about, or sex scenes that involve someone crying the whole time and smelling like ash (because they're a burn victim, and that's how scars work apparently).

 

[RenH]

sex scenes that involve someone crying the whole time and smelling like ash (because they're a burn victim, and that's how scars work apparently).

Probably Tobs, in his infinite wisdom, uses the smell of ash to portray the anguish and trauma of a burn victim in the same way an amateur chef finds out that his bacon is little bit too crispy.

Also, the superior burn victim waifu:

 

[M0nte]

I definitely meant Brint in that specific instance. Despite him being dtf most people, if you get with him, then he shows constantly that you're #1 to him. Most of his threesome scenes (that are written by wsan, other authors don't usually do this), either have the PC being able to join in and Brint stating he can't leave his favorite out of things, or being able to focus the threesome on either the PC or Brint if you want (my fav example is the sleepy snek stuff). So for me, Wsan nailed his character. He was able to make a bro sir-fucks-alot minotaur still feel like he likes the PC the most.

And about poly vs open relationships. I def think the devs might throw around the word polyamorous when they mean, like you said, more of an open relationship or fuck buddies (at least for the above case with B). For me, with Brint's more loveydovey scenes, it def feels like he has an understanding with the PC that they're pretty into each other, even if/when they fuck other people who don't matter as much to them. And this is like I said, usually backed up by Wsan's writing because he gives you more choices in how you engage with his scenes.

It's why I have high hopes for Mino City, whenever we get more Brint scenes (plus I'm pretty sure it's been said you can either marry him or get him a harem, I think it's obv which one I'll choose lol). Not really into any of the other male npcs. Elyon has nice artwork but goddamn Tobs' sex scenes leave me bone dry. It is hard for me to get even a drop of arousal from reading his stuff lol.

Hm, fair but to me it feels like the attraction between Brint and the champion is kind of forced. Like, you fuck him onceand you are considered lovers. While other companions have that problem, I find it more noticeable with Brint since game tries to make it seem like you can either be his friend or fuckbuddy. Like, if he tells you that after second time fucking him, it almost makes it seem like he tells it to all other girls he fucks. To keep them interested.

And when it feels like most of the time that it is your champion telling how much they love him, how he never asks champion if they want to fuck and how game constantly reminds me how many girls he fucked and how many girls he left with bastards at home... It just makes me feel like one of his side hos.

But maybe it is just hard for me to see an open relationship like this romantically since I do not believe you can make it believable if all strands between you and being Brints "lover" is one measly fuck.

And considering that most of his content will probably revolve around his "bull" appeal where you bring other girls to him? While you may like idea of being his number one and him getting "harem girls" (it is still not directly confirmed if that is happening), I would like if he could ask us once if he could milk us or go down on us on his own accord.

 

[Lemko]

Okay, taking the whole Savinsaga aside for a moment to ask about latest patch. Is Bakery utterly empty? Cause in patchnotes its listed next to Inn, and that got 4 nice scenes with innkeeper. So one would thought that in patch named "A Little Something Sweet" there would be some content in there. While whole bakery shtick seems to get(hidden behind one time encounter, mind you) cow to eat cake, cow likes cake in about 3 lines of text. 3 different foods for champ, 3 another lines. Am I dumb or is it all? That's less text than some terrain blurbs.

 

[CantThinkOfOne]

From a mechanics point of view, I can get behind the introduction of the level cap raise (from 6 to 10) and the consumables (Stat boost). The former feels necessary once you get roam the Undermountain while the latter makes earning gold meaningful.

I think it was said the level cap was going to be increased next year and the undermountain was a level 7 zone? Anyone that needs the stat boosts are either lazy and want to spam through fights even more than they already can in this game (I rarely pay much attention in fights in the undermountain) or just bad.

Okay, taking the whole Savinsaga aside for a moment to ask about latest patch. Is Bakery utterly empty? Cause in patchnotes its listed next to Inn, and that got 4 nice scenes with innkeeper. So one would thought that in patch named "A Little Something Sweet" there would be some content in there. While whole bakery shtick seems to get(hidden behind one time encounter, mind you) cow to eat cake, cow likes cake in about 3 lines of text. 3 different foods for champ, 3 another lines. Am I dumb or is it all? That's less text than some terrain blurbs.

It probably is just meant to get you fat in contrast to the gym? I wouldn't be surprised if that's it.

 

[actualrealname]

Anyone that needs the stat boosts are either lazy and want to spam through fights even more than they already can in this game

Yes, this is basically the point. Combat in these games is ass, anything that lets you ignore it even more is good.

Probably Tobs, in his infinite wisdom, uses the smell of ash to portray the anguish and trauma of a burn victim in the same way an amateur chef finds out that his bacon is little bit too crispy.

It really just makes me think she hasn't washed since getting the scars tbh. No wonder no-one else wants her.

 

[RenH]

It really just makes me think she hasn't washed since getting the scars tbh. No wonder no-one else wants her.

It's like he took a look at Katawa Shoujo's Hanako and then proceeded to go hard on the 'burn victim' aspect without actually considering what made her a solid character to begin with.

 

[destroyerofassholes]

I tried it for the Quint's scene and it's more about you telling Quint how "great" he is than about actually fucking that asshole.

Wew lad. That's a shocker, but /vg/ was on point and knocked sense into him.

Another case of Discord poisoning the well, though. That's disconcerting.

The Discord and the forums are nothing but sycophants. They could write literal dogshit and those people would eat it up no questions asked.

This creates a weird writing culture where I assume it's easy to get tunnel vision and not realize that you're writing, well, shit.

I can only assume Tobs writes dogshit like Ryn's opening speech because he constantly gets "omg your shit so deep I love ur poetry" stuff on the forums. It encourages that behaviour.

 

[A.HK]

Hm, so that's why Ryn got disjointed so suddenly. Could have sworn they wrote some romantic stuff too, but am I mistaken again?

Yes, they did. They also said something like “Variety is the death of depth”, which translates as “I don’t wanna write something that does not match my vision of the character and her relationship with the MC".
That’s why the low-confidence Ryn is almost abandoned and why we are not gonna get a choice of Ryn becoming shestud or not.
Because who is gonna read all that clearly incredible Ryn’s harem stuff, if we just would be able to get a child with the help of Lumia/adopt someone.

 

[destroyerofassholes]

He's definitely much more competent at this than the bizarre half thought through drama he tends to write (and most of his sex scenes, guy is like a thesaurus that only takes definitions from urban dictionary), though I can't stand the way he writes villains personally.
They're all so incredibly lacking in charisma or intimidation, and one only even works because it forces the champ to be a retard and just not stop them for some reason.

That being said, dumb tropey villains are still a huge step up from dumb tropey melodramatic NPCs we're forced to care about, or sex scenes that involve someone crying the whole time and smelling like ash (because they're a burn victim, and that's how scars work apparently).

What, you've never fucked away someone's traumas before?

 

[WazaQQXOXO]

I think it was said the level cap was going to be increased next year and the undermountain was a level 7 zone? Anyone that needs the stat boosts are either lazy and want to spam through fights even more than they already can in this game (I rarely pay much attention in fights in the undermountain) or just bad.

It could be, I stopped paying attention to their discord ages ago. Still, the star boost make sense : foes get a stat increase, why the MC should be a grunt despite rampaging left and right?

 

[actualrealname]

It's like he took a look at Katawa Shoujo's Hanako and then proceeded to go hard on the 'burn victim' aspect without actually considering what made her a solid character to begin with.

Oh yeah I think that goes completely without saying lol, though it is a really weird choice to try to replicate that game, or that trope in general honestly, it's an absolute nightmare to write disabled or severely traumatized people in romance stuff without coming across terribly.
I've just got no idea how some of the specifics of her scenes didn't get caught, assuming there's a review process of some kind.

What, you've never fucked away someone's traumas before?

Well, highschool me certainly tried at least. Maybe the bad metaphors are what makes it work?

 

[A.HK]

It's like he took a look at Katawa Shoujo's Hanako and then proceeded to go hard on the 'burn victim' aspect without actually considering what made her a solid character to begin with.

I think he took more from Teaching Feeling's Sylvie. All that patting in Rindo's first sex scene.
Doesn't make "fuck away the trauma" aspect better, nonetheless.

 

[RenH]

I've just got no idea how some of the specifics of her scenes didn't get caught, assuming there's a review process of some kind.

Tobs writing burn victims like: