Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.36] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Sacred_Lamb]

I don't necessarily agree with the notion that the main story is the most important part of any game. In a lot of sandbox RPGs the main story sits on the backburner to doing main stuff pretty often. This is a pretty main tenant of bethesda games, for instance. Not to say that they don't get criticized for having bad main stories, they do. Just that a game can be successful with a fairly barebones main story meant to push you around the world to do optional stuff. I personally don't care at all about CoC2's main story. I'm here to plap waifus and the main story is simply a vehicle to unlock more waifus to plap

Correction, shitty sandbox games keep they're mainstory on the backburner. I'd like to introduce you to our lord n RPG savior: Fallout New Vegas and it's AntiChrist Pathologic

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

You can have fun being a vanilla fantasy boy, yes.
Just don't lose any fight ever as nearly every single fight in the game has your ass on the line.

Don't forgot to him tht his character is automatically Bi; even if YOU have no interest in men or dick your will thirst for it.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Level caps hurt my heart in general. Especially if you hit it but have so much more stuff to do. Complete a fight, quest, or whatever else. Receive your exp reward that once would've been much appreciated. Just for it to go nowhere. It just feels like wasted effort at times. Sometimes even kills the mood to do the smaller stuff. It's like having a juice box but not being thirsty anymore. And instead of being able to save it, you gotta pour it down the drain.... just ain't right.

Tis why I appreciate games that have something afterwards. Some type of reward for refilling the bar. Or having the excess go into separate leveling. Like with Dying Light and Legend Skills.

Disagree on this one, I do think level caps are necessary for a tailored experience. If Pcs can just steamroll everything it creates a disconnect between the player and any potential tension that could be made in the story (not tht these bozos of a dev team understand tht).

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

To be fair game is a sandbox. I don't think people are here for the main story it's just a vehicle to move the player around to do things. I think you could rush the demon queen pretty fast in CoC1 too but that was obviously unfinished

I don't think you understand what a sandbox game really is mate. It's not tht the story is irrelevant, it's that you have a choice in engaging with other stories and other interactions outside of it. Skyrim is the primest of examples tht is still played to this day.

 

[Tsubuhaza]

Guys, I wanted to try out this game, since its regarded to be one of the best in the field, but can you tell me one thing - is it filled with futanari?
(I played for like 20 mins and most characters I saw were futanari)
I love these games, but futanari is just not my cup of tea.
Can I still have fun in this game being a vanilla fantasy boy?

Having now played CoC1 for the past week or two and having had a ball. I gotta say the simplicity was nice. Combat was more simple. Traveling was a lot more simple. Exploration/discovery was more simple. Chicks with dicks outside of demons were an anomaly. Meaning less chances for the writers and us in turn. Being able to fantasize about other penises and ball sack juice musk. Matter of fact, just less dick worship in general. Good number of the sex scenes don't turn into whole ass novellas... granted some of them get long. Especially that Scylla chick, goddamn. Character's content was long-winded and weird. And it might be just me, but stuff came off more.... lovey-dovey. And I think transformations came a lot more into play? Which was pretty sweet.

The big difference of playing a game where the main character is treated as such and not accessory to whatever tosspot they're dealing with, yeah. I personally favour the Xianxia one for being even more blown up on how ridiculous it can get.

I understand the level cap. Pwning everything because you're a level god doesn't make for much of a game. They expect you to level up when the opportunity presents itself, though, so they should just let you pool as much xp as possible for those updates and once the most high-level battle is in, they should take the cap off completely.

Disagree on this one, I do think level caps are necessary for a tailored experience. If Pcs can just steamroll everything it creates a disconnect between the player and any potential tension that could be made in the story (not tht these bozos of a dev team understand tht).

The way CoC2 is set, this is probably one game where you should go for the most ridiculous level possible with the explicit reason to fuck everything up. A world where most deities could not be arsed, where the Champions just sort of faff about and the demons have the advantage is precisely the one place where they should go for the SMT-type of ending where you just kill off every major player to unfuck everything.

If everything is fucked, might as well unfuck it.

I'm not entirely against having a level cap if your story is good enough that one can understand the hold up... CoC2 ain't one of them. This game just has it because "power fantasy bad", which as an excuse can go right off a cliff.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

Disagree on this one, I do think level caps are necessary for a tailored experience. If Pcs can just steamroll everything it creates a disconnect between the player and any potential tension that could be made in the story (not tht these bozos of a dev team understand tht).

Level cap is a redundant anti-player bullshit, that isn't needed to begin with if the game is designed correctly.
The sole fact those mofos need level caps to keep some semblance of (nonexistent) balance in their shitty game is the biggest skill issue moment ever.


Disgaea jumpscare:

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Never tell Savin about Disgaea's leveling system, he'll die instantly.

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

Disagree on this one, I do think level caps are necessary for a tailored experience. If Pcs can just steamroll everything it creates a disconnect between the player and any potential tension that could be made in the story (not tht these bozos of a dev team understand tht).

I mean if we speak in general. I can see why devs might want to cap things. Which is why I brought up two easy methods I've seen done, to remedy it. I just hate seeing part of a reward for doing things. Wasted and not serving a purpose.

If we're talking about this game... well. The only real tension I've felt in this game. Is whether an innocuous choice for sex. Leads to a "normal" looking female, strangely turning me around. While I curiously and then panicky ask what's that pressing against my butt. Or a simple yes to random sex. Leading to a reading session that rivals a thesaurus in word count/usage. And them ain't even about levels or difficult. Just the whims of whoever wrote it. If you play this game as the full freak ass people the devs absolutely want you to be. There is no real tension. Your champ absolutely wants dick. We as the players are the ones dashing their dream. Mutual rape is the love language for this world. Even in worse case scenario. This game has the unique thing of being all text. Meaning you actively have to read the fucked up thing, for it to happen in your mind.

Hell when I've lost. I learned not to read after the 1st time. Just scrolled and looked for the bolded words "anal virginity" and took it from there. If I didn't just reload to begin with. But either way, I just don't like exp wasted. However it's remedied don't matter to me.

 

[dolosolo]

i like no level cap because it respects the time investment it takes to become op(especially when exp per lxl scales high), steamrolling mobs feels good.
but having enemies that scale with your level, in dungeons or as bosses would be a good balance

 

[GokutheG]

The worst thing is that the only reason that the enemy spawns are so high is because people were complaining that there wasn't enough content in the game. In these devs' vast wisdom they decided that inflating the encounter rate so people can go through the battle scenes bs would count as having more content. This game's combat just isn't fun enough to justify this change.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Having now played CoC1 for the past week or two and having had a ball. I gotta say the simplicity was nice. Combat was more simple. Traveling was a lot more simple. Exploration/discovery was more simple. Chicks with dicks outside of demons were an anomaly. Meaning less chances for the writers and us in turn. Being able to fantasize about other penises and ball sack juice musk. Matter of fact, just less dick worship in general. Good number of the sex scenes don't turn into whole ass novellas... granted some of them get long. Especially that Scylla chick, goddamn. Character's content was long-winded and weird. And it might be just me, but stuff came off more.... lovey-dovey. And I think transformations came a lot more into play? Which was pretty sweet.

Yeah, it's really nice actually. Transformations having actual impact on scenes and encounters was mint as toothpaste.
Hell, I'd be fine if in Coc2 transformations were limited but had frequent references that change and alter scenarios. It dies make sense to me to have races and unique appendages for them to not even affect the way things playout.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Level cap is a redundant anti-player bullshit, that isn't needed to begin with if the game is designed correctly.
The sole fact those mofos need level caps to keep some semblance of (nonexistent) balance in their shitty game is the biggest skill issue moment ever.

Depends, if it's a properly structured game then it's cool. Again I'd like to refer to our lord n rpg savior Fallout New Vegas, it's right hand Fear and Hunger, and it's Anti-Christ Pathologic.

Never tell Savin about Disgaea's leveling system, he'll die instantly

 

[Tsubuhaza]

Depends, if it's a properly structured game then it's cool. Again I'd like to refer to our lord n rpg savior Fallout New Vegas, it's right hand Fear and Hunger, and it's Anti-Christ Pathologic.

Yeah, but I do maintain the point you gotta earn your "right" to level cap, not just abrasively lump that shit in.

Like CoC2.

 

[NODOGAN]

Only crazy people think what a player does to a fictional character within the confines of their single player game determines if they're dicks. You keep bullying that poorly written wasp all you want, boo.

Lol what I meant by punished was that I half expected to lose some content/something in the game by bullying Azzy...still gotta say you're not wrong bro XD

 

[Alterism]

Hmmm.
I'm going to bring some stuff up out of nowhere. But, rather than editing an old post, I'm going to make some amendments here.

I think I'm going to walk back a few statements. I don't think B was being an ass. If you went on the assumption that everybody knew Hugs wasn't okay and they pushed it anyways, then yeah that was shitty. But, if it was already pushed and I'm misremembering the order of events, then it's just a shit happens moment. Regardless of what it was, I emphasized a bit too strongly in order to prove a point.

Secondly
I don't think this year for CoCII has been all that bad, all things considered. There hasn't been (many) dead months this year, the content was varied and everybody that's not Wsan created a whole host of unique characters and really put their all into all of them.

I don't think you understand what a sandbox game really is mate. It's not tht the story is irrelevant, it's that you have a choice in engaging with other stories and other interactions outside of it. Skyrim is the primest of examples tht is still played to this day.

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Dragon Wasp Azzyrran wasn't that great of a companion anyway combat-wise.

She's a monstrous companion combat wise. She has a natural 61 armor pen, gains another 15 from her stance, and reduces armor by another 20. She practically hits for true damage with her melee attacks against most enemies in the game and has a cleave to boot. Queen's Breath targets Magic Resistance, which means it's going to hit, and it's rare typing means it hits hard everywhere.
One of the few characters whose first actions will almost always contribute to alpha striking the entire enemy team.

On another topic. Has Azzyran gotten any content that doesn't involve Liaden in the last few years? Omitting that relationship is just pushing the "give me no content" button.

For all his faults Savin(&Wsan) is the only writer to actually put in the work to support his companion character. As someone who loves companions in RPGs Cait and Ryn actually feel like they are an important part of the world. From sets to actual story reactivity it feels like your missing out if you don't bring one of his characters along.

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To squish that into something more palatable.

There's a bit of a lack of balance in other writers in the content they write.

 

[NODOGAN]

She's a monstrous companion combat wise. She has a natural 61 armor pen, gains another 15 from her stance, and reduces armor by another 20. She practically hits for true damage with her melee attacks against most enemies in the game and has a cleave to boot. Queen's Breath targets Magic Resistance, which means it's going to hit, and it's rare typing means it hits hard everywhere.
One of the few characters whose first actions will almost always contribute to alpha striking the entire enemy team.

On another topic. Has Azzyran gotten any content that doesn't involve Liaden in the last few years? Omitting that relationship is just pushing the "give me no content" button.

Really?...bro IDK what happens to MY game but her Bimbo & Healer form tend to give me way more utility than the Dragon set so I never noticed.

 

[MarvintheBee]

On another topic. Has Azzyran gotten any content that doesn't involve Liaden in the last few years? Omitting that relationship is just pushing the "give me no content" button.

I will never understand Skow's obsession with Npc on Npc ships.

Liaden Azzy. Weird and out of nowhere but fine do it once.
Wayfort maidens. Why are there so many events mentioning how the maids are banging the guards. And not even in hot voyeurism way. Just weird shipping stuff.
(And why did she make the one of the hottest scenes, a public under table blowjob, weird by including not only Jaelyn but also rando guard 31#. Why? Does she find that hot?)
Then there is that weird Jaelyn Daliza ship.
And the elf twins were a complete dissapointment. Guess she needed another ship for her cat twins. idk

Sometimes it feels like Skow would rather write weird shipping posts on tumblr.

But on that (&Wsan) part
I wouldn't spin Wsan into that. Cait gets multiple interactions and updates a year. I don't even like Cait almost entirely off the back of how surprisingly unskilled Savin is at establishing the differences between the physical relationships with others versus the supposed emotional relationship she shares with the player. But, credit where it's due, she gets tons of content.

When was the last time Brienne had a sex scene? Same for Brint. Kalysea was a paid commission that he put more effort into then Alante whom was introduced multiple years prior. There's a significant chance that if Brint gets another sex scene anytime soon it's going to be exclusively for a group.

Wsan has been one-note for the entire last year. It's crazy. In 2022 Wsan was beautiful with ranges for everything from futas, to females, to the elusive males. Yonzan being one of the few male characters then and since. He made the centaur caravan. One of the few examples of prostitutes and gave both of their routes a wealth of content (even if Nottia's version technically has less of it) and made me excited to see where they were going to go in the future. All of it was gold.

Comparing that to 2024 Wsan is a mess.
Compare how little the companions received to... How many futa/futa expansions? 6? Let's tally them.

• Three scene conversions for Evelyn
  • The 4some with Cait and Etheryn
  • Wind and Maid scenes
• A scene where you take Evelyn to marefolk village.
• An expansions for Kalysea.
• Another expansion for Kalysea
• Black Knight
• Orlaith's double blow job scene
• Klemaia's (kinda sub-par) Tattooing

Even with all of this whinging, the futa isolation chamber is preferable to some character being pushed out of obligation and ending up like Alante.

Nottia wasn't bad either.

2025 will surely be better. I hope for varied Wsan content.

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[GokutheG]

Hmmm.
I'm going to bring some stuff up out of nowhere. But, rather than editing an old post, I'm going to make some amendments here.

I think I'm going to walk back a few statements. I don't think B was being an ass. If you went on the assumption that everybody knew Hugs wasn't okay and they pushed it anyways, then yeah that was shitty. But, if it was already pushed and I'm misremembering the order of events, then it's just a shit happens moment. Regardless of what it was, I emphasized a bit too strongly in order to prove a point.

Secondly
I don't think this year for CoCII has been all that bad, all things considered. There hasn't been (many) dead months this year, the content was varied and everybody that's not Wsan created a whole host of unique characters and really put their all into all of them.

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She's a monstrous companion combat wise. She has a natural 61 armor pen, gains another 15 from her stance, and reduces armor by another 20. She practically hits for true damage with her melee attacks against most enemies in the game and has a cleave to boot. Queen's Breath targets Magic Resistance, which means it's going to hit, and it's rare typing means it hits hard everywhere.
One of the few characters whose first actions will almost always contribute to alpha striking the entire enemy team.

On another topic. Has Azzyran gotten any content that doesn't involve Liaden in the last few years? Omitting that relationship is just pushing the "give me no content" button.

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To squish that into something more palatable.

There's a bit of a lack of balance in other writers in the content they write.

I won't say that B was malicious but I think he misconstrued what Hugs meant when he said Berwyn wasn't attached to his masculinity. To me that means that he feels comfortable expressing himself feminine but that doesn't mean he feels that makes him less of a man so turning him into a woman goes against that. Basically if the choice was that Berwyn could go further down the femboy route, stay where he started or revert to this original look which I'd guess would be a macho guy than I dont think Hugs would have been as upset.

I wonder if the problem with the companions is that the writers were hyped to get them in before the deadline. I'm guessing after they were put in that enthusiasm couldn't carry them when they had to write other content in addition to companion expansions and that became too much.

It's great to hear that Azzy got a combat boost. She's one of my favorite companions. I've enjoyed the Azzy/Laiden content because my mc was able to join since she's also a lesbian(regardless of Savin's intent.)

Savin's a good writer. He just comes off as a prick who shouldn't be in a position of power. TOBS also has some talent he just need to be on a tight leash. The content he's been contributing to another game seems interesting and I'm sure that's because that dev makes him keeps things in line with the game or it can't come in.

I'm also not sure if Savin knows how to write romance. To him Cait saving her anal virginity for the mc is supposed to be held as some high esteem or something. That just isn't interesting so how does he show that Cait is falling for the mc besides that? I think A said something about where a female mc romancing Cait could go but I'm not sure.

I think Wsan's problem is that he's suffering from success. His futa doms are well done and very popular so people are wanting him to do more of that so his other content has to go on the back burner.

 

[Meatshield236]

My impression is that all the writers are good on a technical level, but they're a little too 'lost in the sauce' of their own kinks to really write something that isn't their own specific thing. Like, seriously, "anal virginity?" THAT'S what he uses to show the literal temple prostitute falling for someone? There's a thousand little ways you can show two people getting closer together and fucking a prostitute in the ass is the best they could come up with? It's like they wanted to have the 'perks' of using virginity as a means of showing intimacy, but also wanted the character to be a turbo slut. It's weirdly backwards.

Or you'll get scenes, as previously described, where they just add kink on top of kink and it just makes things messy.

 

[MarvintheBee]

I think Wsan's problem is that he's suffering from success. His futa doms are well done and very popular so people are wanting him to do more of that so his other content has to go on the back burner.

People want more from him, because he is good at it, yes. But also it's just his fetish. When he created kaly, he was okay with her being niche content just because it fullfills his dommy futa (taur) fetish.
Nothing wrong with that btw.

 

[Tsubuhaza]

I'm suspect to talk about anything futa related since I find them incredibly annoying but I'll say that I found the Black Knight fairly passable to interact with while telegraphed enough that it was a futa.

Unfortunately, I have a suspicion that not only was the futa incredibly telegraphed but that I'm also expected to let her have her way with our almighty grenade-throwing hero I'm A Moron to get more info about things. If I'm correct, that's a knock.

On that same note, however, I'm thankfully not playing this game with any expectations over the porn because if what was to sell me on keeping going was "oh, we're getting more futa shit", I'd gladly quote the lines that were sampled

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. "I don't give a fuck!"

I will also echo the opinion about the companions being tossed aside, though I'm not 100% on whether that's a negative or a positive. Mostly because I don't trust that asking for more content wouldn't just net us more of the "Hobogoblin x Brienne" stuff instead.