Well, of course, if it's an NTR story, it's not going to play out the same way lol. And it's not like it's an exceptionless rule, but in most non-NTR adult manga, as well as most non-adult manga, it's the childhood friend that wins out in the end, even if she isn't the "main girl" (the one on the book covers and stuff).
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Really? From the ones I've read, the rule is that the first exceptional girl the MC encounters is the love interest and childhood friend just ends up competing, but ultimately failing to gain the MC's interest over exceptional girl. First exceptional girl meaning: magical/supernatural, some crazy hidden secret revealed, or undergoes a massive change very suddenly. This could potentially be childhood friend if she's the first reveal, but typically they're just a fairly normal girl, or ends up being a later exceptional who wasn't first so the law of japan says "too late, you spinster pining rest of life over unrequited love now".
Wsan is an actual goddamn moron. What the fuck is up with his priorities. He has been doing nothing but add random nobodies to minocity.
I have no idea what you've been reading/watching, but it's a meme that childhood friend NEVER wins. Its faaaaar from "most".
The only times childhood friends win are when it's a straightforward romance and there's no actual competitors, when EVERYONE is a childhood friend (Nisekoi) or when the new girl is also secretly a childhood friend (left, came back looking/acting different).
Just Google 'why does childhood friend always lose' and you'll get a ton of discussion about it.
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There was even a show that aired last year called "The Romcom Where The Childhood Friend Won't Lose!"
In fact, childhood friend winning is far more in a thing in western and American works (though western stuff doesn't do harem so there's usually no competition).
Childhood friends winning an actual romance competition in Japanese stuff is by far the exception.
While I know Childhood Friend NEVER (99% of the times) wins in romance on japanese media, you know what does?
NTR. Yeah I'd jump in a heartbeat at a chance to cuck Drunkahiro and bang Azami with my CUM-CANNON till she's as pregnant as 9-Tails-Kiyoko, after all...there's no boner quite like a HATE-BONER (For real tho fuck Takahiro, waste of my bloody time it's what he is.)
NTR. Yeah I'd jump in a heartbeat at a chance to cuck Drunkahiro and bang Azami with my CUM-CANNON till she's as pregnant as 9-Tails-Kiyoko, after all...there's no boner quite like a HATE-BONER (For real tho fuck Takahiro, waste of my bloody time it's what he is.)
I will admit I don't read as much manga as I used to. I still do read yuri, in which it is rather common that childhood sweethearts will be treated as a very special thing; they might break up, but they often come back together. There's no shortage of exceptions, but they still feel like they're intentionally subverting an expectation for the sake of drama.
As for hentai manga, aside from dedicated NTR, I've rarely seen childhood friends lose out. There's a whole lot of "surprise childhood friend they just didn't recognize", but just as much playing the trope straight as well.
I also recall a focus on childhood sweethearts being a thing in other Japanese media (e.g. Final Fantasy VIII).
It might also have been that the selection of manga I did end up reading just happened to feature more childhood friend tropes than average.
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Well, a lot of that falls under where I mentioned straightforward romance with no competition.
When it's just a story about two people and one of them is a childhood friend, of course they end up together there. And there's plenty of straightforward romantic stories, so if that's what you're mostly reading, it might seem more prevalent.
It's when there's multiple love interests, in harems or love triangles or anything dramatic that the childhood friends chances immediately plummet to near zero.
And harems/dramatic romance situations are by far the most popular romantic works (mostly because they are largely aimed at dudes) thus contributing to the idea that childhood friends never win.
As a side note, I remember exactly one Western media where the childhood friend famously lost - Little Women.
Dude got absolutely destroyed, it hurt to see.
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You know, now I'm kind of feeling a twinge of inspiration to write a story where the PC manages to win over Azami with a lot of hard work and dedication…
…but there's not way in hell they'd accept it if I submitted it, so I'm not even going to bother.
…but there's not way in hell they'd accept it if I submitted it, so I'm not even going to bother.
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You mean FF7? 8's love interest has no ties to Squall. Seems like you're mixing up Rinoa and Tifa(best girl of all time btw). Besides Tifa though, I can't think of any Japanese media where the childhood friend wins honestly. Your Lie in April is prime example of childhood friend getting absolutely fucking cucked and it's a trend I see pretty often in anything with more than one romantic interest.
Shame too, childhood friend trope is something I like a lot but nobody does anything interesting with it.
IDK why, but I was thinking about the reveal in FFVIII where you find out that everyone grew up in the same orphanage (including Squall and Rinoa). Yeah, FFVII is a much better example lol.
I never watched Your Lie in April. I'm also not into comedy (like, at all), so I was never big on harem romcoms.
Anecdotally, I can think of Honeymoon Salad as a manga where the childhood friend "wins out" in the end, but that's just one example. Also The World God Only Knows, but I might be misremembering regarding that one.
Nope. Not Rinoa.
Also note that in order for the childhood friend to win in FF7...the competition had to be murdered.
Both of them, in fact.
No? Welp, guess it's been too long since I played it. My bad.
Depends on your choices. Yeah, Cloud hangs out with Aerith at the start, but you can date either Aerith, Tifa, or even Barrett at the Golden Saucer, depending on your choices up to that point.
IDK if it's "obvious" that Cloud would've ended up with Aerith if she hadn't died. I feel like the main reason they got along so well in the first place was because Cloud acted so much like Zack, from getting his memories implanted. I don't know if it would've worked out in the long run.
The date doesnt really change anything. On the date with Barret they literally just discuss why Cloud picked him and Cloud reveals he couldn't choose between Aerith and Tifa so went with a third option.
Yuffie is a kid and never in the running.
The point is, Jessie and Aerith, the only two other girls who expresses any interest in Cloud at all, die for the childhood friend to have a definitive win. And even then there are people arguing for Aerith to this very day.
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I'm really curious why they're so insistent on creating this romance for 2 characters nobody gives a fuck about. Of all the things they could possibly add in the game, they're adding Azami x Takahiro content? Who is even asking for this? I'm not even sure content with these 2 characters interacting even exists within the game for this to even have context(I refuse to interact with that shithole so I don't know). This just reeks of a writer trying to insert some fanfic shipping into the game. I would rather a single enemy encounter gets added to the game than this shit lmao.
Honestly I always thought Tifa was supposed to win regardless of that happening. Most of the reason Cloud and Aerith are into each other is because he's acting like Zack basically the entire time they knew each other. He was pretty much just the rebound after what happened to Zack lmao. Also Tifa basically said "Fuck saving the world, I'm going to take care of Cloud.". If that doesn't scream they're supposed to get together, idk what does. People who argue for Aerith are delusional imo.
Totally agree honestly if Jessie didn't die in the beginning she probably would have won instead of Tifa or Aerith.
From what I understand, Azami wasn't supposed to have any content at all, but people liked her enough to ask for content, and the devs decided to oblige. It's not just Azami x Takahiro content: the PC is going to get them back together, with the option of participating in a threesome with them.
Though IDK if it's the salt mine or what, but I have no clue why they'd think people asking for Azami content wanted something like this LMAO.
Welcome to Corruption of Champions were 75% of all new content is stuff no one wants and 50% of that 75% involves a girl with a dick bigger than your arm
They're mostly Tobs' characters, and he has an idea for the endpoint of all of them and the overall direction of the kitsune storyline, so anyone writing them has to stick somewhat to a plan.
Bubbles is trying to give people Azami content and, according to him at least, his Patreon likes this particular direction for Taka/Azami.
Personally I'm not against the idea of an NPC couple you can get down with (Livrea's parents look great) but, uh...Takahiro sucks. He doesn't deserve nice things.
My point was more that they killed off his other even slight possibilities to eliminate even a question...and there's still questions.
That's just how strong New Girl syndrome is in comparison to childhood friend shipping.
Bubbles is trying to give people Azami content and, according to him at least, his Patreon likes this particular direction for Taka/Azami.
Personally I'm not against the idea of an NPC couple you can get down with (Livrea's parents look great) but, uh...Takahiro sucks. He doesn't deserve nice things.
Oh, Tifa was already going to win, no doubt.
My point was more that they killed off his other even slight possibilities to eliminate even a question...and there's still questions.
That's just how strong New Girl syndrome is in comparison to childhood friend shipping.