Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.37] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[mrttao]

wtf? corruption love? what the hell happened to the lore in coc?
This is not fucking star wars with emotions vs unemotional.
Corruption was explicitly supposed to make you lose empathy, develop sadism and cruelty. Corruption is literally the antithesis of love.

 

[Raf-Raf]

wtf? corruption love? what the hell happened to the lore in coc?
This is not fucking star wars with emotions vs unemotional.
Corruption was explicitly supposed to make you lose empathy, develop sadism and cruelty. Corruption is literally the antithesis of love.

Now now, you're forgetting that CoC 1 has no connection in this "sequel".

 

[fetishgirl]

Trojan horse. Gift it to a hated enemy in the guise of a peace offering or bribe, turn them into a subby lil cowgirl devoted to whoever gets to her first.

Interesting take do you think this could happen to future party members later?

 

[namelessdudewithnoname]

I hope it would happen to Quinn too bad Bubs is a lazy shitter, that doesn't want it for his self insert.

 

[Daken9]

I'm pretty sure she's just acting out what she thinks a mother/grandmother would do based on what she's observed.

It's like how she washed Aileh's mouth out with soap when she used a bad word; she's basically acting like a 1940's TV mom because she doesn't actually have her own feelings about what to do. She's emulating what she thinks she should be doing.

Also, she wouldn't care in any case if you and Aileh "went behind her back" - she's a demon. She wants you to fuck everyone, she wants everyone fucking everyone, it's what she's about. She'd probably be ecstatic if you fucked all of her daughters.

I mean, think Dr. Manhattan. I don't really agree that she's just acting but even if she were, that she'd force herself to do so - at no real benefit to herself - would be pretty much mean that she does still care about her 'humanity' in some capacity.

As for the demon bit, sure, but she's also all about kids. Specifically, her own that she can't have. That her daughter beating her to the punch, and with the father of her own future kids to boot, didn't faze her at all clashes pretty hard with Aileh's take on her. Like, pretty sure the text even pointed out she never even appeared jealous, just wistful. That alone speaks volumes, i think.

 

[Wrynn13]

Corruption has many forms and different paths it can take. Just love for example can be turned to apathy but also hatred or obsession. Lack of all empathy may be considered the ultimate form of corruption in game lore but I'd argue any emotion with all restraints removed is just as corrupt. As for Kas don't forget that she tells you she totally lost it when she first became a demon but fought to regain a semblance of self control. I think it probably helps that her focus isn't raw power or hedonism but a need to procreate. Her hatred for imps likely stems from a corruption of that drive just as much as her need to still make them as it's as close as she can get. For now...

 

[icecreamman99]

Kas has lots of hypocritical views on other stuff though.

For instance, she hates imps and considers them a blight, and considers not being able to have kids the absolute worst part of becoming a demon...but she demonifies other people. Sometimes just for funsies, like the shopkeep demon in the Wayfort.

Not to mention that children would probably be pretty badly off in a world full of stuff like the alraune, the corrupted bees, the effigies, etc.

I can't agree more, I'm just like why romance that kind of character? unless your into that. Even she does fix herself, better off keeping her as pet on a short leash.

 

[Tau_Iota]

Kass is straight up incapable of love, tho.

Her own daughter tells you so.

She doesn't even understand the concept.

If she were incapable of love, she wouldn't save you from the Blood Knight. She wouldn't chastise you for being careless and getting yourself hurt in the process. She wouldn't bake you cookies when you visit her, and certainly wouldn't let you leave her when you visit. She wouldn't entertain the thought of redemption if she didn't actually care what you think about her.

Sure, she may have her faults but she's far from the worst choice when it comes to waifus in this game. She treats everyone (except imps, but fair tbh) equally, she's not a racist, she's supportive, she's caring, and she's the only one who really sets up dates for you. Leaving flowers, wine, and cooks you a meal? She's a demon, yet she tries harder to express love than any other character I've witnessed in this game lmao

Also plenty of daughters in the real world would tell you their parent/guardian are incapable of love, even if that isn't true

 

[Raf-Raf]

Man, this just sounds like if I was a villain, I'd do all those things all for the sake of my end goal.
I love Stockholm Syndrome, they're the best because they treat you with care and loyalty while you're laughing and enjoying the show in the shadows.

After all, the higher you raise something, the harder they fall.
The more someone cares about something / someone, the more they get hurt / break when it disappears~~~
Watching a bright person's eyes go dull and blurry is one of the best stuff you can experience as a villain, the way it just fades, turns to dead fish eyes,
Pure Bliss

 

[TheVegnar]

Man, this just sounds like if I was a villain, I'd do all those things all for the sake of my end goal.
I love Stockholm Syndrome, they're the best because they treat you with care and loyalty while you're laughing and enjoying the show in the shadows.

After all, the higher you raise something, the harder they fall.
The more someone cares about something / someone, the more they get hurt / break when it disappears~~~
Watching a bright person's eyes go dull and blurry is one of the best stuff you can experience as a villain, the way it just fades, turns to dead fish eyes,
Pure Bliss

Stardust (2007) movie

Fallen star falls to earth, witches help the poor girl, nurse her back to health, before the Cut out her Heart.

A broken heart is one thing, but they get more WAY more power if the heart is full of love before they cut it out :/

 

[elhombreconqueso]

God bless whoever decided Evelyn should get more content and God bless whoever wrote the new content because it's everything I could ever ask for, please continue making more

 

[mrttao]

Corruption has many forms and different paths it can take. Just love for example can be turned to apathy but also hatred or obsession.

No, it really can't.

Corruption is:
1. a self replicating form of magical energy
2. created by mortals, although it can affect even deities in sufficient quantity.
3. in sufficient quantity ejects the soul from the body (which forms into lethicite gem) and replaces it. In the process turning the person into a demon
4. in large enough quantity warps space so that travel happens based on thoughts rather than distances
5. eliminates empathy
6. induces sadism & cruelty
7. sexualizes everything
8. induces physical transformations
9. destroyed by fire
10. carried by bodily fluids
11. causes physical regeneration. undoing old age and battle injuries.

it is a specific and discreet thing. also not all sex stuff is corruption. you are entirely capable of being a 0 corruption serial rapist who transformed into a horrific chimera with a brace of animal dongs the size of a schoolbus.
you are fully capable of using magic to do transformations, you are fully able to use magic to heal, and so on. Corruption though is its own specific thing. An artificial form of self replicating magical energy created by a cult of mortals.

You can RESIST corruption. that is, you could be a highly corrupt individual and through heroic willpower somewhat control your actions to overrule the desires corruption gives you. But that is not the same as saying that corruption can take on many forms.

There is no such thing as "love corruption" in CoC.
CoC2... well it broke the lore apparently by introducing love corruption. Which is silly.

Kass is straight up incapable of love, tho.

When a demon first transforms they lose the ability to feel love...
However, a demon then begins to eat lethicite (crystalized souls) to grow in power. And as they eat those they reintroduce soul into their body and thus begin to regain the ability to feel normal emotions that they lost when their own soul was kicked out of their body on their first demonization

 

[Tau_Iota]

Stockholm Syndrome is a disputed condition that is not even mentioned in the DSM-5, and most likely isn't a real syndrome. You are fearful, that's okay. Kas can wait for you to realize there's no one that will love you more than she would

 

[mrttao]

Stockholm Syndrome is a disputed condition that is not even mentioned in the DSM-5, and most likely isn't a real syndrome. You are fearful, that's okay. Kas can wait for you to realize there's no one that will love you more than she would

kek at believing the DSM-5. Yea, definitely real science and not political at all.

Also. stockholm syndrome lima syndrome are just basic human nature.
"if someone kidnaps you, treats you well, and over a prolonged period of time you interact and communicate with each other repeatedly, then both of you will emphasize with each other."
yea, no fucking shit. it is kinda hard to dehumanize someone as "just an evil kidnapper / evil rich person in need of kidnapping" when you have daily conversations with them for a few months.

How is this even a "syndrome"? why is this presented as a bad thing? it often results in the kidnapper just... giving up and releasing the kidnapee. Or at the very least treating them a lot better.
it even specifically specifies a non abusive kidnapper.

Stockholm is way more mild than battered spouse syndrome. As BSS is specifically a victim emphasizing with an abuser who beats them. And that one IS in the DSM

 

[smithsmithsmith]

How is this even a "syndrome"? why is this presented as a bad thing?

Because it stems from a negative origin, the victim being held against their will. Just because the victim has justified their treatment in their own mind it doesn't erase the wrongdoing of the perpetrator and can serve as a barrier to the judicial process. In much the same way that battered spouses often refuse to testify against their abusers.

But we're getting pretty off topic, I'd be really surprised if Savin pulled this kind of angle for the Kas romance route given the overall tone so far.

 

[NODOGAN]

TLDR, has an impregnation fetish so between being turned into a "Demon with extra steps" by Keros or becoming a demon king that impregnates Kass every day of the week GUESS WHICH ONE I'M CHOOSING!

 

[Skandranon]

If she were incapable of love, she wouldn't save you from the Blood Knight. She wouldn't chastise you for being careless and getting yourself hurt in the process. She wouldn't bake you cookies when you visit her, and certainly wouldn't let you leave her when you visit. She wouldn't entertain the thought of redemption if she didn't actually care what you think about her.

She would do all those things if she thought they would help her get to her end goal, which is the whole point.
She's playing a role to get what she wants, which is your soul.
Note that if you turn over your soul to Keros, what happens?
Kicks you to the curb. Immediately. No questions asked. You are no longer useful, thus you are no longer "loved".

And she's not actually entertaining the thought of redemption. She is specifically looking for a way to use a soul to let her have actual babies without turning back into who she was before, because she likes being corrupt.

 

[Tau_Iota]

kek at believing the DSM-5. Yea, definitely real science and not political at all.
...
As BSS is specifically a victim emphasizing with an abuser who beats them. And that one IS in the DSM

Regardless of your feelings about the DSM-5, it remains the foremost important tool available in the field of psychology. It is far from perfect, but that is why it has multiple iterations. As understanding of the human psyche grows, so does the DSM. Let me guess, you also believe that fluoride is put in the water because Stalin and Hitler did because they believed it would make prisoners more docile?

Also, battered spouse syndrome is not recognized by the DSM. It's labeled as PTSD.

 

[Tau_Iota]

She would do all those things if she thought they would help her get to her end goal, which is the whole point.
She's playing a role to get what she wants, which is your soul.
Note that if you turn over your soul to Keros, what happens?
Kicks you to the curb. Immediately. No questions asked. You are no longer useful, thus you are no longer "loved".

And she's not actually entertaining the thought of redemption. She is specifically looking for a way to use a soul to let her have actual babies without turning back into who she was before, because she likes being corrupt.

Your first point is fair, like yeah she could be as terrible as everyone else in Mareth Savarra but it would hardly make a compelling antagonist imo. Because then it becomes "Help one terrible group or the other."

She does entertain redemption though, she says she wouldn't give up her ability to transform herself and others or her power but she would be willing to carve a path to redemption otherwise. She doesn't necessarily like being corrupt, just the power that it gives her

 

[Skandranon]

Your first point is fair, like yeah she could be as terrible as everyone else in Mareth Savarra but it would hardly make a compelling antagonist imo. Because then it becomes "Help one terrible group or the other."

Well, she is still terrible.
She's nice to you, but she's murdered, brainwashed, raped, transformed and victimized her way across the Frost Marches other than that.
She literally has a sex dungeon full of breeding slaves that she's experimenting on 24/7.

She's extremely evil, the game just tends not to dwell on it. Which, by the way, I think is another mistake of the writers - if they want to stick with their stated goal of making the player feel "corrupt", they should spend more time developing the non-waifu side of Kass.