Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.37] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[A Burning Conscience]

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Very much so, they don't differentiate between a character having power handed to them, and power they've earned. The most satisfying "Power Fantasy" is one where you worked to become powerful. Imagine a corrupt playthrough where you do kill the gods, and to do so you empower or take over the cult and allow their evils to continue because they're the only ones researching into soul magic. Or a pure playthrough where you've essentially ended up killing everyone even vaguely corrupt, leaving devastation in your wake. Both are power fantasies in a sense, but they're both satisfying stories.

Their excuse for the special soul thing also makes no gods damned sense. Literally the explanation for it is that you got blasted with portal energy when Kas arrived. But... Kas opens portals later, so shouldn't she be able to replicate you? Also portals apparently exist and can randomly open in Savarra, so shouldn't there be some precedent for this? It's another plot hole that invites speculation.

 

[Heremus]

Their excuse for the special soul thing also makes no gods damned sense. Literally the explanation for it is that you got blasted with portal energy when Kas arrived. But... Kas opens portals later, so shouldn't she be able to replicate you? Also portals apparently exist and can randomly open in Savarra, so shouldn't there be some precedent for this? It's another plot hole that invites speculation.

Oh god damn it, did Calla get absorbed/fused into the Player Character with the portal shenanigans, making our soul interesting by Calla proxy? Thanks for making me question that possibility now, but I don't wanna make that bet.

 

[A Burning Conscience]

Oh god damn it, did Calla get absorbed/fused into the Player Character with the portal shenanigans, making our soul interesting by Calla proxy? Thanks for making me question that possibility now, but I don't wanna make that bet.

You're welcome
Also, I like your theory, it's far more likely than mine and it's actually something I could see them doing (seeing as it would again make a Savin character the spotlight).
My head cannon was that another god(-like being) from Mareth jumped through and bonded with you, like Taoth hiding himself in Urta or whatever. I knew it made no sense, but hey, got to explain how we seem to be as big a force of corruption in the world as Kas (if we take corruption to be lewdness, seeing as everywhere we tread in this "Serious, realistic bronze age world" is full of turbo-sluts).

 

[Deleted member 1660801]

The problem isn't the kitsune being Xenophobic. Having that kind of stuff in a story is fine if handled correctly but TOBS doesn't handle it well. It's largely inconsistent and hypocritical, you drag your ass through a forest where you will most likely be attacked by kitsune (who will attack and try to rape you if you don't fuck them) and other shit. Just to get to the place you need to be to free your "wife" just to be attacked by more kitsune. Then finally you free your wife and she deadass looks you in the face and tells you don't belong here because you are not a kitsune. This is so uncharacteristic of Kiyoko, she has been nothing but welcoming and kind to the player so for her to act like this is just nothing but lazy writing.

Also, the barbarian comment doesn't work considering the kitsune are invading the land and raping people who don't agree to their terms.

I hate jumping on hate bandwagons but if your story has more and more plot holes something is up.

 

[A Burning Conscience]

EDIT EXPLANATION: Kroenen12 found a quote from TOBS trying to justify the racism from his characters, it did not look good. Unfortunately the janitors cleaned it up, which makes sense as it was more about TOBS the person and less COC2 the abomination.

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Not surprising sentiment coming from that mouth. Completely missing the point of what Racism is, why we understand it as a moral wrong, history in any fucking sense, and misrepresenting real authors to prop up his weak arguments. Pratchett's quote is about how there is no "Racism on Discworld", and then gave a blatent example of Racism to show it does exist, it's just about species instead of skin-colour. And then Jingo is a book all about mundane human on human racism.

The Quote in full:
“Racism was not a problem on the Discworld, because—what with trolls and dwarfs and so on—speciesism was more interesting. Black and white lived in perfect harmony and ganged up on green.”

― Terry Pratchett,


Gods, fucking, damn the man! Don't drag a good, dead man's name down to justify your own ACTUAL racism.
Half the fucking "Guards" books deal with the fact that Sam Vimes himself is a bit racist, it's just he's racist against everyone and trying to get better about it. Srg. Colon is an out and out racist against everyone, and it's used in the books for plot.
Just, gods...

 

[Shiro15]

The problem isn't the kitsune being Xenophobic. Having that kind of stuff in a story is fine if handled correctly but TOBS doesn't handle it well. It's largely inconsistent and hypocritical, you drag your ass through a forest where you will most likely be attacked by kitsune (who will attack and try to rape you if you don't fuck them) and other shit. Just to get to the place you need to be to free your "wife" just to be attacked by more kitsune. Then finally you free your wife and she deadass looks you in the face and tells you don't belong here because you are not a kitsune. This is so uncharacteristic of Kiyoko, she has been nothing but welcoming and kind to the player so for her to act like this is just nothing but lazy writing.

Also, the barbarian comment doesn't work considering the kitsune are invading the land and raping people who don't agree to their terms.

I hate jumping on hate bandwagons but if your story has more and more plot holes something is up.

The Kiyoko turning into a massive bitch post freedom also bothered me. I've said it in past post, but the idea of getting more interactions with her and Kinu was one of my main reason for getting invested in this game. They seemed like the only content (even if the choices were binary) that gave you some ability to interact with them. I never cared about the pregnancy content, as other people have said it just a number. It has no meaning. I'd say the Kitsune content is the most disappointing content in this game. And sadly the only girls I like in this game now are Brienne and Atugia.

 

[MissBlackthorne]

Isn't TOBS from SEA? They just seem to fetishize the idea of japan (and more so tropes) more than anything, while probably having cultural bias also leak in.

 

[Daken9]

Stupid takes fucking up the writing 101. If the kitsune were played like the vainglorious vampires that they are then it'd be fine (and the resulting VtMB-esque society much more interesting), but instead the game demands you to believe the natural born soul-suckers are actually more civilized than everyone else. In a bad end the gilf straight up makes a living doll out of the Champion, one that she routinely possesses to experience sex in another body, but they're the good guys and orcs be the evil ones They're the literal cosmic horrors guy's talking about

 

[undyingrevenant]

Oh god damn it, did Calla get absorbed/fused into the Player Character with the portal shenanigans, making our soul interesting by Calla proxy? Thanks for making me question that possibility now, but I don't wanna make that bet.

It's conspiracy theory territory, but from what kas has said, various characters have inferred, the most likely theory is she went where kas came from or basically the same location, and is most likely being used in one of the "breeding pits" kas mentions or is being used as a broodmother, unless they have a deus ex machina planned where someone's holding her hostage or something. I don't really see a logical outcome besides her landing in a hellscape doped up on aphrodisiacs surrounded by horse dongs, where they could do the "I'm forever ruined, ruined I say" trope before she becomes a waifu after rescue, or she could have a dramatic death scene while cait screams.

 

[Lord Kentus]

Preach brother, the quest for hot dragon ladies is eternal.

Yep

 

[Lord Kentus]

So after you free Kiyoko from the orb, there are several scenes where either you invite her to events or she invites you to events. In all the scenes where you invite her she either says no, or she makes it clear she looks down on native culture and people (in the winter ball scene she deliberately tries to make you feel bad for taking her to something so unpleasant to her, saying that she's only there because you invited her.)
In going to kitsune events, she often abandons you to the scorn of the other kitsune characters, never speaks up in your defence, and in one case does the equivalent of sitting you at the kids table because you're "so low in station".
In short, save for the sex scenes with her which are the same as from the orb, in which she's madly in love with you, whenever you're out in public she treats you like a pet... a pet that just rolled in shit and embarrassed her in front of her friends.
Even shorter: Kiyoko is racist and is only with the champ because she can't get enough of his D

I hope that one you can set those colonies ablaze and drive those soul sucking vermin off the continent and back to their shitty little island of not Japan and then drop a sun on it.

They say real life imitates art, if that is the case why not make the inverse true.

 

[Basty96]

I hope that one you can set those colonies ablaze and drive those soul sucking vermin off the continent and back to their shitty little island of not Japan and then drop a sun on it.

They say real life imitates art, if that is the case why not make the inverse true.

if you want the inverse it has to be two suns not one

 

[undyingrevenant]

I hope that one you can set those colonies ablaze and drive those soul sucking vermin off the continent and back to their shitty little island of not Japan and then drop a sun on it.

They say real life imitates art, if that is the case why not make the inverse true.

Oh don't worry, there *was*. There's a emphasis on "picking up this orb may change fate yada yada", because originally you were supposed to be able to side with Taoth instead, but again, too much work/ nobody wanted to write a separate route.

 

[Thisguy2]

I see that you're a truly cultured person too.

Whats the name? i wanna be cultured too.

 

[Thisguy2]

Oh god damn it, did Calla get absorbed/fused into the Player Character with the portal shenanigans, making our soul interesting by Calla proxy? Thanks for making me question that possibility now, but I don't wanna make that bet.

Turns out. Calla was inside us all along.

 

[undyingrevenant]

Whats the name? i wanna be cultured too.

Sucker for love: first date on steam? Think there's various others though, saya no uta is probably the more "serious" ver

 

[muschi26]

Oh god damn it, did Calla get absorbed/fused into the Player Character with the portal shenanigans, making our soul interesting by Calla proxy? Thanks for making me question that possibility now, but I don't wanna make that bet.

Maybe that's why everyone is interested in your soul: since it's fused with Calla's, it's not only more complex, but also more powerful than the average soul, which makes it more desirable.

 

[smithsmithsmith]

Also, the barbarian comment doesn't work considering the kitsune are invading the land and raping people who don't agree to their terms.

While the rest of your comment is fair this isn't really how it works, no one thinks they themselves are the barbarians.

 

[Bloep]

While the rest of your comment is fair this isn't really how it works, no one thinks they themselves are the barbarians.

Agreed. The romans call the gauls barbarians while committing genocide. Xenophobia and chauvinism are extremely rarely, if ever at all, logical and consistent.

 

[Futa_Buddy]

My two cents: I feel like these writers (Tobs, Savin, etc.) don't have any real meaningful goals or intentions with what they write. I think they just write whatever they feel like writing at the time, good/bad or relevant/irrelevant, it doesn't matter to them.

Here's my idea of how it goes; one of the writers writes something that they feel like writing at the moment, they pass it to Savin who approves it because it's content and it's one less thing that he has to do, then they publish it and write a bullshit blogpost 'explaining' (kind of but not really) why they did what they did and rinse and repeat (onto the next thing).

I don't think there is any grand goal or plan in mind with their writing and content releases, I think they're just making it up as they go along. This is the only logical explanation for the inconsistent writing and scatterbrained content releases for this game (imo)...