Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.0] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[GokutheG]

Also ain't it wacky how cait was raise in a sex cult from childhood and no talks about how fucked up that is

It was actually brought up on the forums and Savin got defensive saying that the temple doesn't groom kids to be prostitutes despite the fact that's literally what happens in Cait's backstory.

 

[smithsmithsmith]

It was actually brought up on the forums and Savin got defensive saying that the temple doesn't groom kids to be prostitutes despite the fact that's literally what happens in Cait's backstory.

Can you quote that? I'm fairly sure cait has dialogue explicitly saying children were kept away from the sex side of things until they were adults. Of all the things you can point to in all these games, underage content isn't one of them outside of some mods for CoC1.

 

[GokutheG]

Can you quote that? I'm fairly sure cait has dialogue explicitly saying children were kept away from the sex side of things until they were adults. Of all the things you can point to in all these games, underage content isn't one of them outside of some mods for CoC1.

They're pushed to be prostitutes if they don't want to leave their family. Isn't that why she had to sneak about taking her prostitute vows so she could go adventuring with her dad.

It's like pre retcon Treatment. Women were expected to take it and turn into a mindless bimbo if she wanted to stay with her family.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

They're pushed to be prostitutes if they don't want to leave their family. Isn't that why she had to sneak about taking her prostitute vows so she could go adventuring with her dad.

It's like pre retcon Treatment. Women were expected to take it and turn into a mindless bimbo if she wanted to stay with her family.

>Pre retcon treatment
They never learn.

 

[smithsmithsmith]

They're pushed to be prostitutes if they don't want to leave their family. Isn't that why she had to sneak about taking her prostitute vows so she could go adventuring with her dad.

I can't say with certainty, her content doesn't really interest me so I've only read most of it once and a while ago at that, but I think she was being set up to enter the leadership structure of the temple she learned at and delayed that to go adventuring. She's still considered a priestess though and presumably took the relevant vows since she's recognised at various points as a valid missionary.

 

[Alterism]

Can you quote that? I'm fairly sure cait has dialogue explicitly saying children were kept away from the sex side of things until they were adults. Of all the things you can point to in all these games, underage content isn't one of them outside of some mods for CoC1.

Oh hey. It's been almost two years since we've bounced back here.
For us, I'd say that's a new record

I mean. I feel like I get your point. But...
They are. Even if that's not the intent of the writers... somehow. That's how it's written.

And it IS indeed a bit... Odd.

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Like. Whatever the word of god or intent was. Most people are either going to either knowingly make concessions because "it's a porn game". Or just accept what it is.
What that is is grooming children in a whorehouse, to work at the whorehouse upon adulthood.

 

[Sewyoba]

They're pushed to be prostitutes if they don't want to leave their family. Isn't that why she had to sneak about taking her prostitute vows so she could go adventuring with her dad.

It's like pre retcon Treatment. Women were expected to take it and turn into a mindless bimbo if she wanted to stay with her family.

What is the problem with this or Treatment? Can't writers just go to the logical conclusion and make player choose to be either a villain or a good guy?

 

[Biostar]

Why does you MC act like a blushing maiden when Hana proposes to you?

 

[PixelLewd]

Why does you MC act like a blushing maiden when Hana proposes to you?
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[Jbuster]

What is the problem with this or Treatment? Can't writers just go to the logical conclusion and make player choose to be either a villain or a good guy?

I'm not sure any writer would do it, for that, it would require anyone on that team to recognize that what happens in Mallach temples is in any way wrong and I doubt they would do that, and then, they would need to give the player a choice to either push Cait against her faith, once again, doubtful, or let her embrace it, which you do with the temple quest, to get more content

Thing is they have put so much background behind Cait and her faith as something normal despite how shifty it is, that I don't think any of them will ever think, "yeah maybe this doesn't work, maybe putting all those details about Cait doing sex stuff with her whole family full of harlots isn't really a great idea, maybe mentioning that she wasn't an adult before leaving the temple wasn't a smart thing to do either, maybe, maybe the whole deal about the rental wombs with kids being rejected and then repurposed for another job (the dancer and her brother) and Cait's sister wanting to leave and that being a problem because her faith pretty much demands her to be a whore is pretty much what the main evil enemy of this game would do, pretty demonic stuff if you ask me"

And brother, they'll never do that

One day you'll get to tackle those issues when and if, someone makes a mod, till then it's Savin's party, and we are only guests

 

[devilaffect]

pretty demonic stuff if you ask me

Convocation of Mirrors did establish that the Seven weren't wholly benevolent beings, but inhabit a far more grey area of morality due to their origins. I think it stands to reason that at least some of the Seven and their followers should be involved in questionable activities. Grooming probably wasn't a good choice without finding a way to establish it as being outside of the norms for Mallach's followers and working that into character growth for Cait. Though it does help bring into question the dichotomy between the Demons and the Divine in combination with how Kassyra's motivations have played out.

 

[GokutheG]

Convocation of Mirrors did establish that the Seven weren't wholly benevolent beings, but inhabit a far more grey area of morality due to their origins. I think it stands to reason that at least some of the Seven and their followers should be involved in questionable activities. Grooming probably wasn't a good choice without finding a way to establish it as being outside of the norms for Mallach's followers and working that into character growth for Cait. Though it does help bring into question the dichotomy between the Demons and the Divine in combination with how Kassyra's motivations have played out.

Honestly settings with "gods" are very underwhelming. If they are present why don't they help when a big threat comes along? The Seven are much worse since they were originally abominations that wanted to destroy the world but now just want to control it. They aren't much better than demons and in some ways could be considered worse. They could stop the "corruption" that happens but they do nothing. Let's not forget one is the founder of a groomer cult and the other created a race that'll rape you if they're hungry. How exactly are they better than demons?

 

[devilaffect]

Honestly settings with "gods" are very underwhelming. If they are present why don't they help when a big threat comes along? The Seven are much worse since they were originally abominations that wanted to destroy the world but now just want to control it. They aren't much better than demons and in some ways could be considered worse. They could stop the "corruption" that happens but they do nothing. Let's not forget one is the founder of a groomer cult and the other created a race that'll rape you if they're hungry. How exactly are they better than demons?

Yeah, they do tend to be boring since there's not a lot you can do with them outside of exploring grey morality. Which is why I brought Kassyra up since she's the closest thing we have to a foil to the Seven and that seems to be what they are going for. Even if you break up the groups that are supposed to be morally opposed you do have some level right vs wrong within factions when you compare Kassyra to Tollus or Lumia to Mallach/Nareva.

I would agree a large portion of the Seven are morally dubious at best, but that could be by design for the game as a whole and when you look at the more narratively focused content like Convocation of Mirrors, Dog Days, or Den of Foxes it reinforces the idea that it's probably on purpose. Maybe I'm giving them too much credit, but it's present in a lot of the content where fucking isn't the main focus.

 

[NODOGAN]

Honestly settings with "gods" are very underwhelming. If they are present why don't they help when a big threat comes along? The Seven are much worse since they were originally abominations that wanted to destroy the world but now just want to control it. They aren't much better than demons and in some ways could be considered worse. They could stop the "corruption" that happens but they do nothing. Let's not forget one is the founder of a groomer cult and the other created a race that'll rape you if they're hungry. How exactly are they better than demons?

Wasn't it hinted by Mallach and Kasyrra's speech that the only reason they letting Kasyrra do her shtick is so they can steal her soul research? like yeah you're corrupting thousands, armed a crazy cultist like Tollus with a shitton of power, nearly tore reality appart with your science project and summoned Wraiths again and throwing the world into BDMS chaos, BUT!

I wanna see if I can have a soul and still be a God so just note down whatever interesting shit you find before we come in, kill you and steal your research.

 

[Cakei]

I just hoping to be still alive to see this and TiTS modded the shit of him...

 

[Biostar]

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Unfortunately.

 

[M0nte]

Why does you MC act like a blushing maiden when Hana proposes to you?
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Since she has a dick.

 

[GokutheG]

Yeah, they do tend to be boring since there's not a lot you can do with them outside of exploring grey morality. Which is why I brought Kassyra up since she's the closest thing we have to a foil to the Seven and that seems to be what they are going for. Even if you break up the groups that are supposed to be morally opposed you do have some level right vs wrong within factions when you compare Kassyra to Tollus or Lumia to Mallach/Nareva.

I would agree a large portion of the Seven are morally dubious at best, but that could be by design for the game as a whole and when you look at the more narratively focused content like Convocation of Mirrors, Dog Days, or Den of Foxes it reinforces the idea that it's probably on purpose. Maybe I'm giving them too much credit, but it's present in a lot of the content where fucking isn't the main focus.

That's the thing they usually don't tackle morality. The story typically goes mortals must worship them, they treat people like shit but that's ok because some other group is worse. That's just a lazy excuse.

The only God that I've ever seen that I actually thought was interesting is The Lady of Pain from Planescape.

 

[Jbuster]

Wasn't it hinted by Mallach and Kasyrra's speech that the only reason they letting Kasyrra do her shtick is so they can steal her soul research? like yeah you're corrupting thousands, armed a crazy cultist like Tollus with a shitton of power, nearly tore reality appart with your science project and summoned Wraiths again and throwing the world into BDMS chaos, BUT!

I wanna see if I can have a soul and still be a God so just note down whatever interesting shit you find before we come in, kill you and steal your research.

At least two of the seven's followers reproduce in such a way that numbers shouldn't matter that much, and even then, their power core is not at risk at the moment, with the kitsunes having weeaboo island and their many colonies and the whoredom all the way down there in sexy Agrabah (which is totally safe for kids, Cait said so)

Lumia does have orcs raiding and pillaging and reproducing constantly and there should be plenty more wasp and bees colonies all around the planet, and also guys like Sanders, which add numbers

So, the thing is, how much of the continent you're trapped in are they willing to burn to get that research?, maybe all of it, but maybe they really believe the champion will do it, so that could be part of their big plan. Let the champion do it, after all, every deity till now likes the champion. Lumia is super nice and believes that you, the champion, can do anything. Keros likes you a lot and in a weird twist, is nicer to you than basically everyone in the tree (how weird is that every kitsune outside of that place is nice to your character and really likes you, even Kiyoko, but as soon as you go there, they revert to be a bunch of assholes?), Mallach seems totally willing to send help at some point and even let you see what afterlife will be for Cait, as a never ending orgy, how nice of him?, and the rest are there I guess... Nareva was into foot stuff which is pretty nice, kudos for that

Point being, till now their whole plan is letting the champion fuck to the extreme (like Kasyrra), and maybe get the champion's soul (like Kasyrra), and kill Tollus at some point because that would be really helpful, like, let me kill that guy please, I'm pretty it will be a good thing. The cult is bound to fall apart without Tollus and magic hands man and the bleached kitsune won't be enough to keep it together, so let me kill Tollus Savin, please let me kill that particular guy

 

[Tsubuhaza]

What is the problem with this or Treatment? Can't writers just go to the logical conclusion and make player choose to be either a villain or a good guy?

Because the main character has been irrelevant for a chunk of the game. Either that or it just didn't align with whatever writer wanted to write.

Why does you MC act like a blushing maiden when Hana proposes to you?
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...Wait, who wrote that shit?

so let me kill Tollus Savin, please let me kill that particular guy

...I wanna say player agency is a power fantasy but I don't think anyone could not see to reason that the PC should kill the fucker.