Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.1] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Skandranon]

And at that point, one would just be debating semantics.

I don't quite get how there are multiple ways to interpret "pretending".
Her and her husband have an open relationship, and she's pretending to be secretly cheating on her husband for your fantasy.
That's it.

I think you're misunderstanding. I'm not talking about any specific scenes when I reference this. I'm talking in a generalized sense (the conversation themes revolving around NPC/NPC content in general vs PC/NPC content).
You appear to have a different perspective on NPC/NPC content, and seem to not like PC/NPC content as much, something you literally said yourself. And so, you're replying to people who seemingly do not like NPC/NPC content (and seemingly like PC/NPC content), and debating labels on such content, without recognizing the biases at play, you seemingly being biased toward such content, and the people you're replying to seemingly being biased against such content.

That's the point I was making. In a generalized sense it seems that the conversation is reflecting a difference in opinion about the subject at hand. However, the opinions appear to be used as though they're fact, without accounting for differences in perspectives.
I'm not saying that that can't be done, but I don't see a conclusion being drawn from such conversations that are heavily opinion based, and thus the conversation seems like it will continue to spiral ad infinitum. At that point, it might be easier to conclude the differences of opinion and move on? Although, I'm not saying one has to.

And I'm saying nothing you're saying affects the actual conversation going on.

We were discussing the reasoning behind NTR in the wolves' relationship based on whether or not NTR is in the game. That's what this whole conversation was about. It is not at all about "PC/NPC vs NPC/NPC content". It's about whether or not certain content is or isn't already in the game as a basis for adding more of it. It's certainly not affected by whether or not I like the content in question (I don't; Bubbles' writing doesn't work for me).

Heck, when I say NPC/NPC content, I mean named NPCs. I like seeing multiple characters with interesting personalities/quirks/fetishes in a sex scene interacting with each other more than just one. The scene we're talking about doesn't even qualify.

Okay.
Just found it odd that you didn't reply to the post I made in reply to you, which contained a similar theme to this discussion.

I just realized...you're talking about in April?! Two months ago?
I don't remember anything I typed that far back.

Though I do note, looking at it, that I was both responding to a completely different person, and you don't seem to actually have asked a question for me to respond to.

 

[Wavering]

I don't quite get how there are multiple ways to interpret "pretending".
Her and her husband have an open relationship, and she's pretending to be secretly cheating on her husband for your fantasy.
That's it.




And I'm saying nothing you're saying affects the actual conversation going on.

We were discussing the reasoning behind NTR in the wolves' relationship based on whether or not NTR is in the game. That's what this whole conversation was about. It is not at all about "PC/NPC vs NPC/NPC content". It's about whether or not certain content is or isn't already in the game as a basis for adding more of it. It's certainly not affected by whether or not I like the content in question (I don't; Bubbles' writing doesn't work for me).

Heck, when I say NPC/NPC content, I mean named NPCs. I like seeing multiple characters with interesting personalities/quirks/fetishes in a sex scene interacting with each other more than just one. The scene we're talking about doesn't even qualify.





I just realized...you're talking about in April?! Two months ago?
I don't remember anything I typed that far back.

Though I do note, looking at it, that I was both responding to a completely different person, and you don't seem to actually have asked a question.

Okay.
I won't be replying further.

Good day.

 

[NaturalEnclave]

Honestly the whole Lusamine debate screams identity crisis more than anything else.
Cause it's not like it's a bad concept in theory. CoC2 is a bloody porn game - characters fuck all the time. I feel like the majority of players can fuck everything that moves, as long as it's design/character/fetishes align with theirs. I get that Cait gets a lot of hate, but honestly, her being the first companion sort of screams that "this is the game where everyone fucks and 99% of the time it has no consequences and is just for fun". It never felt like some kind of VN when you stick to one character and that's it.

I actually sort of like Cait punishing Lusamine. Not because of cucking, but because it actually makes the world and companions a bit more alive and reactive to whatever is going on. Heck, while Lusamine is cute, she is a comic-relief character. Your whole acquittance with her starts because you sort of rape her (like most other characters) after defeating her and that scene was honestly rather light-hearted. To unlock sex you have to tease her ears and embarrass her to the whole tavern, to the point where I am pretty sure she screams about wanting to be fucked by you to the whole place. Fucking and being fucked seems like a very casual day to day occurrence in the world of CoC2, with Garth's Tavern being the only bastion of purity where it only happens behind closed doors.

So that scene to me feels less like "OMG, my champion got cucked by a companion" and more like a very weird slapstick comedy where the punchline is gangbang, at least to me. Nobody is really hurt by this situation and it's just an evening gone awry thanks to Lusamine being Lusamine.

The issue is that the scene probably does not communicate the tone properly at all. Is CoC2 a fuck-fest where proper monogamy relationships cannot exist, or an actual romantic semi-VN where any character getting any sexual encounters without your permission should not be allowed? I am not going to deny that the Lusamine Cuck scene is trying to be some form of NTR and it's weird how suddenly Cait's punishment goes from some lesbian sex to a gang-bang by strangers, but I also feel like the player has to lean too heavily into the former category to truly feel like any form of NTR is happening. It's not "God, my cute deer sex-friend has been tainted and broken beyond repair by other cocks" and more like "God dammit, Lusamine said too much again and now I'll have to fuck her tomorrow, Cait stop cockblocking me, I'd rather join them".

 

[Lord Kentus]

Cait's groomer ass deserves to be thrown down a volcano

 

[Cricco]

So that scene to me feels less like "OMG, my champion got cucked by a companion"

I am not going to deny that the Lusamine Cuck scene is trying to be some form of NTR

 

[WazaQQXOXO]

Spoiler: Let's subvert NTR tropes.

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[Tau_Iota]

I get that Cait gets a lot of hate, but honestly, her being the first companion sort of screams that "this is the game where everyone fucks and 99% of the time it has no consequences and is just for fun".

My hate for Cait stems from her butting into literally anything, like bro please let me have a moment with this person. Like not even necessarily sex, but like Brienne/Brint pregnancy where she butts in for no reason. Like dog er cat I guess, I haven't even talked to you since the prologue, we're not close at all, only fighting one or two fights. My/her pregnancy are none of your concern as you're nothing more than a fellow inn resident as far as my MC is concerned, yknow? I don't hate the character necessarily, just that the character is written to be involved with pretty much everything even if it doesn't concern her.

Is CoC2 a fuck-fest where proper monogamy relationships cannot exist, or an actual romantic semi-VN where any character getting any sexual encounters without your permission should not be allowed?

There are a couple simple solutions for that, like just add a flag to each character "Do you want this character to be involved with other people?" unless it's specifically tied to their character like Dom Arona. Pretty sure Berwyn gets this, as Cait isn't involved unless you suggest Cait as a hole for him to use.

Or write some NPCs to have romance paths where MC can preclude them from sex other than the MC. People like to be The Fucker, who FUCKS but you also want a sweet someone to go home to. I think it's more people have developed attachments for a character and would like to not share specifically them, which is understandable.

 

[NaturalEnclave]

Keyword is "trying". It's called Cuck in files and it specifically mentions you not being able to do anything like it's the selling point, so I'd be a fool to deny that whoever wrote this scene tried going for it. But unless you have formed some special attachment to Lusamine, there aren't any major NTR points present. The only real NTR thing that happens is that you get cockblocked and if you go with the crowd you are prevented from doing anything.
You can literally keep the same sex content, but switch it so that it was Brint who caused it and now it's just voyeurism

About the pink slut

Yeah, I can get where you are coming from. I like Cait, but I can see how much she get annoying if you don't. It feels like the issue of her and Brint being probably one of the most common team composition (since they are the starter companions). It feels like she, Ryn and Brint are the only companions that have major relevance to the main storyline (Prologue, Winter City, KM), so they have the most interactions between each-other, despite the fact that there are a bunch of other party members who you've discovered by sidetracking.

Or write some NPCs to have romance paths where MC can preclude them from sex other than the MC. People like to be The Fucker, who FUCKS but you also want a sweet someone to go home to. I think it's more people have developed attachments for a character and would like to not share specifically them, which is understandable.

This is why I sort of feel that with multiple writers there are cases of identity crisis, where some scenes can be considered NTR by one person and won't by another because they have a very different perspective on the game and writers sometimes have entire unique systems for their characters. So sometimes characters are prevented from the corruption nature of the game (aka everyone are horny), sometimes not (so your waifu suddenly gets fucked by other characters and you can't do shit about it because the writer didn't even think you'd care about it).

But overall, Lusamine Cuck scene is just... weird. I am not sure what they were going for with it.

 

[Quintilus]

and that kicking to the curb a stupid evil - also stupid asshole - former sex cultist

SHAT AP!!!!!!!!!

 

[MoneyMan181]

I just wanted to express my interest in fucking the wolf milf and then all this talk about NTR happened, what the fuck man.

All I'm gonna say is that all the NTR/Cuck(or whatever you wanna call em) scenes in the game are unnecessary and pointless. The fact that they're all one-off scenes that don't affect anything else just reinforces this idea. It is just potentially upsetting and divisive content that is in the game for no real reason. Does it add anything to these characters? Does it make the player feel good? Does it have enough appeal for a good chunk of people to give a shit about it? The answer to all of these is no, and these are the most important things to consider when making a porn game like this.

I'm curious what goes on in the writer's head when they decide to sit down and write this stuff. What are they thinking that compels them to put this kind of content in the game? Then again, maybe they're just thinking with their dicks.

 

[Daken9]

SHAT AP!!!!!!!!!

Wear this and i'll stop

 

[Tau_Iota]

Wear this and i'll stop

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A man of culture as well, I see.

 

[fetishgirl]

I'm the worst to ask with male characters, because I'd take any (except C as I don't understand what you mean, but more Nakano is a no). UB if it's handled like all other UB and he blackmails the PC (with the added route of turning the tables for those that desire it) is good, more traps (maybe some that aren't dominant with their dicks free? Because you get Ryn and Wyn, one tops and one literally can't), and more muscles obviously. Not just because an adventurer would probably have some sort of muscle, but because if I can get with a triple H-cup cowgirl, I want to also be able to get with the muscle-bound wolfman. But noooo, he doesn't like men lmao

Honestly, they should lean into what they're trying to force with what they're saying about Brint/Brienne. You want PC corrupting NPCs? Write it as such. Let me corrupt Brint to be a subby muscle guy, or smooth away those muscles so he's a little subby cowboi. Let me overdrive his libido and tap into his bestial rage. Turn him from a cool dudebro, to someone actually corrupt. Making the corruption just being female feels... a wee bit sexist. Let me corrupt Garret to wanna bang me, forcing him to be into something that he normally wouldn't have been. Let me be corrupted by a blackmailer, as cliche as it is. Don't just tick up my score for having sex with a corrupted individual, make it meaningful.

First thanks to everyone who participated and I think this game is better than CoC for M/M content specifically so credit where credit is due for that to the CoC 2 team.

I am replying to you Tau specifically just to clear up what I meant with Nakano. I meant in terms of looks not personality when it comes to personality I think I can agree with the others of having a more monogamous less slutty male and very devoted to the MC.
True if everyone submits by becoming feminine it implies that women are submissive by nature which imo isn't really true. I think agree with both Monte and yourself it would be interesting to see the opposite like submissive masculation or devotion out of gratitude to the MC improving their quality of life. Some interesting ideas about UB category I also do agree especially in hentai the blackmail route is over used it will need a little extra spice to make it stand out. An alternative would be a more wholesome route where a low confidence UB is made into a confident studly boy toy as you put his giant tool to use and he becomes more confident and experienced in bed.

Hmm a corrupt Brint going wild on the MC's rear does sound pretty hot not goint to lie. Gives me ideas like what corrupt submission would be like for a character to go from a female supremacist respecting rationale, chastity and intellect become the opposite. Such as a muscle bound male meat head who has submitted to their lusts to where only the MC can get them off. Despite being physically far superior, you run circles around them in intellect and control of your own desires where you assert your dominance through intellect and experience.

It has got me thinking more about the different types of submission rather than everything being about losing physical strength.

 

[Tau_Iota]

I am replying to you Tau specifically just to clear up what I meant with Nakano. I meant in terms of looks not personality when it comes to personality I think I can agree with the others of having a more monogamous less slutty male and very devoted to the MC.
Some interesting ideas about UB category I also do agree especially in hentai the blackmail route is over used it will need a little extra spice to make it stand out. An alternative would be a more wholesome route where a low confidence UB is made into a confident studly boy toy as you put his giant tool to use and he becomes more confident and experienced in bed.

These are both excellent ideas, and I especially applaud the wholesomeness of turning the UB on its head.

 

[Biostar]

I'm curious what goes on in the writer's head when they decide to sit down and write this stuff. What are they thinking that compels them to put this kind of content in the game? Then again, maybe they're just thinking with their dicks.

Well, I can't imagine that there is literally only ONE person in the whole playerbase who prefers NPCxNPC content. Tobs would certainly prefer we were just a floating eye within the Kitsune Den to witness but not interrupt his magnum opus. I would question why they would choose a game that is markedly not that but who am I to tell people what they can do with their time?

 

[qqqqqqqq16]

For mobile, is there any way so that the game is full screen? Without the notification bar on top

 

[Daken9]

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[teddidiah]

I'm curious what goes on in the writer's head when they decide to sit down and write this stuff. What are they thinking that compels them to put this kind of content in the game? Then again, maybe they're just thinking with their dicks.

You're overthinking it, simply. It's two fold; first, getting a rib on the people who get real mad about this sort of thing, and given the venn diagram overlaps pretty closely with the people who demand/suggest being able to kill NPCs they don't like like psychopaths it's a pretty easy W for a giggle and a couple of hours work. Second, and the real thing, it's easier to write. Faceless cardboard cutout PC that could be any number of things is exhausting to do, while in contrast two characters who are, well, characters, is incredibly refreshing and basically writes itself.

Or in the case of tobs it's because he sucks

 

[MoneyMan181]

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The art is good as fuck until you realize Brienne is supposed to be completely out of the frame since she's 3 and a half feet taller than Rina.

You're overthinking it, simply. It's two fold; first, getting a rib on the people who get real mad about this sort of thing, and given the venn diagram overlaps pretty closely with the people who demand/suggest being able to kill NPCs they don't like like psychopaths it's a pretty easy W for a giggle and a couple of hours work. Second, and the real thing, it's easier to write. Faceless cardboard cutout PC that could be any number of things is exhausting to do, while in contrast two characters who are, well, characters, is incredibly refreshing and basically writes itself.

Or in the case of tobs it's because he sucks

So basically they write dumb shit instead of doing something people actually want. Huh, the more you know.

 

[Skandranon]

So basically they write dumb shit instead of doing something people actually want. Huh, the more you know.

A lot of this stuff is commissioned, so somebody wants it.

Money talks, etc.