Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.1] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

2.90 star(s) 127 Votes
Discussion Reviews (127)
N

Nobles

Active Member
Apr 15, 2022
969
964
Where banana? said:
I want my 2 turns. Im faster than everyone, kinu gets 2 turns and im way faster than she is. boo its not fair >_>
Click to expand...
Because even tho we are suppose to be hero class and everyone licks our boots for it, we're fucking shit. We need a party to support us, we are capped at level 5 (now 6? lol) and if we get knocked out first, its an automatic loss regardless if the companions are still at 100% health.

CoC 1 you could train, mold and TF your character into something powerful. Especially if you wanted to take the dominate routes. CoC2 we dont take kindly to that shit here. They want to you be weak as piss, and make you feel it. While they still calling you their hero.

As someone posted before, you're best editing for your save file so your not weak as piss. Transformation or taking on corruption doesnt improve anything either. :/ Its now all just for fashion.
 
  • Like
Reactions: MaxVaron, Mivo, Jollira and 10 others
Kallisto

Kallisto

Member
Jun 6, 2019
401
1,391
Shiro15 said:
If you're her sub, personally I think it should lead to a bad end. As why the fuck would she stop raiding Hawethorne. It's champion is a fuckboi/girl. And Aronna is the strongest person in the valley. With the exception of Kas. Personally I don't think their should a sub champion route. I think it should be turned into a power bottom path. It is essentially the same as how DAI made the inquistor that gets romantically involved with The Iron Bull a power Bottom. And its pretty much already implied as if you defeat her, and become her dom, you have the option to challenge her to a wrestling match and lose on purpose, so she becomes the dom. Could lead to some funny dialouge. (In DAI I really liked the dialogue when Bull is in the party with Cole. Cole pretty much spells it out that Bull isn't really the one in charge and that the Inquistor only lets Bull top them because he needs to feel a like a big strong man. While the Inquistor needs a distraction.)
Click to expand...
I agree mostly with what you said except for this part. CoC2 uses porn logic for their dom/sub relationships. DAI does it better because theirs is based more on reality. Subs generally do have the power in these types of relationships because they are allowing someone else to take control. That's what the inquis does with Bull. The way the game explains it, the inquis is in charge and looked up to 24/7 so giving power up to Bull in their sexual relationship brings her (I play female inquis) peace and comfort. It lets her relax from being the one responsible. She's not actually a powerbottom for that, power bottoms "top from the bottom" and are the ones calling the shots and setting the pace in the moment. Inquis allows Bull to be in charge and take the reins during sex. Cole in his dialogue pretty much explains what a sub/dom relationship is in its basic form - one person giving up power to another to the enjoyment of both parties.

So back to CoC2. If you're Arona's sub and she says "Well I'm gonna burn down the village, come along bitch." you should be able to say NO and try to stop her. Subs aren't doormats that accept everything with a smile and a nod. Both parties are allowed to stop if they don't like something and have already outlined what is okay and what isn't before they get into the relationship. But coc2 does the porn logic sub/dom relationships where the dom is the abusive master and the sub is their toy who does whatever they want.

Lost my train of thought but I guess my point here was DAI's sub/dom/bdsm relationship felt better because it was more based on the real thing - not because inquis was a powerbottom (which like I said, I don't believe they were) and thus "better" than a regular sub. While some CoC2 writers write the dynamic like subs are literal slaves to the whims of their dom ala Arona (Evelyn is a better example of a dom).
 
  • Like
Reactions: Mivo, barsa and silentangel
Shiro15

Shiro15

Member
Mar 15, 2019
146
858
Kallisto said:
I agree mostly with what you said except for this part. CoC2 uses porn logic for their dom/sub relationships. DAI does it better because theirs is based more on reality. Subs generally do have the power in these types of relationships because they are allowing someone else to take control. That's what the inquis does with Bull. The way the game explains it, the inquis is in charge and looked up to 24/7 so giving power up to Bull in their sexual relationship brings her (I play female inquis) peace and comfort. It lets her relax from being the one responsible. She's not actually a powerbottom for that, power bottoms "top from the bottom" and are the ones calling the shots and setting the pace in the moment. Inquis allows Bull to be in charge and take the reins during sex. Cole in his dialogue pretty much explains what a sub/dom relationship is in its basic form - one person giving up power to another to the enjoyment of both parties.

So back to CoC2. If you're Arona's sub and she says "Well I'm gonna burn down the village, come along bitch." you should be able to say NO and try to stop her. Subs aren't doormats that accept everything with a smile and a nod. Both parties are allowed to stop if they don't like something and have already outlined what is okay and what isn't before they get into the relationship. But coc2 does the porn logic sub/dom relationships where the dom is the abusive master and the sub is their toy who does whatever they want.

Lost my train of thought but I guess my point here was DAI's sub/dom/bdsm relationship felt better because it was more based on the real thing - not because inquis was a powerbottom (which like I said, I don't believe they were) and thus "better" than a regular sub. While some CoC2 writers write the dynamic like subs are literal slaves to the whims of their dom ala Arona (Evelyn is a better example of a dom).
Click to expand...
What you described is pretty much what I was getting at in my original post. The way Arona is characterized in her dom route, it doesn't make sense that she'll listen to the champ, unless the champ and arona had a relationship like bull and inquisitor. Which they don't. They have the simplified porn depiction, where she pretty much treats the champ like a cum rag, and doesn't respect them. When she says you're having sex, there is no saying no to her. She will be as brutal as she wants. No safe words no boundaries. She does not respect the champ, and has no problem with the raiding and raping. She just had a problem with her brothers leadership, and needed the champ to watch her back should he cheat. (Also doesn't make sense to me that she'd trust the champ to watch her back if she is stronger than you.) But she has no problem with raiding and raping.

Where in most people who have a sub/dom sexual relationship are essentially role playing. They have boundaries and respect for one another. Its part of the reason people have safe words with rough sex, so they know when it getting to be to much.

I agree with your description of the Inquisitor and bull's relationship. I only described it as a power bottom because that's the most appropriate way to describe their relationship. In the bedroom Bull is in charge. But outside of it the Inquisitor runs the show. But it is all part of the sexual role play they have. Their is genuine care for one another.

What I was suggesting is a Dom Arona should be more like that, as it allows the champ to be in command during the quest, while also giving room for Arona to be a dom that truly care about the champ. The way she's written now is if she's a dom what would stop her from continuing the raids on Hawethorne? Nothing. The champ can't stop her if she's a dom due to defeating the champ in the foothills. That's why I believe that path should be dropped. Instead we should only get the dom where the champ willing submits to Arona. (The path where you intentionally through the wrestling match) As it still establishes that the champ is definetely the stronger of the two in a serious fight, but sexually the champ just wants to let go when their with Arona. It makes sense on a narrative level while also fulfilling the kink for those who want it.
 
  • Like
Reactions: barsa
M0nte

M0nte

Well-Known Member
Oct 4, 2020
1,387
3,047
I feel like everyone here is using Dom Arona as a venting mechanism for the game, ignoring the whole sub Arona expirience.

Listen, I agree that Arona is terrible dom. She treats champion with no respect, uses you as a glorified cum dump and only shows interest in you if you are willing to impregnate her. And that is also the case outside of sex scenes. Now I think that her being uncaring poopy head was the point, but not one that I am fond of.

SubArona feels entirely different. There is a clear difference to how she acts towards everyone in day to day happenings (rudely on the nose) and towards champion in bed -- with respect and adoration. Yet she doesn't entirely lose what makes Arona Arona by becoming overly docile. She still has her snark and pushes her weight around even with you present. Which is how I think it should be and what people here describe as healthy Sub/Dom relationship.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Centurio, Avalio, Tatoba and 10 others
Shiro15

Shiro15

Member
Mar 15, 2019
146
858
M0nte said:
I feel like everyone here is using Dom Arona as a venting mechanism for the game, ignoring the whole sub Arona expirience.

Listen, I agree that Aroma is terrible dom. She treats champion with no respect, uses you as a glorified cum dump and only shows interest in you if you are willing to impregnate her. And that is also the case outside of sex scenes. Now I think that her being uncaring poopy head was the point, but not one that I am fond of.

SUbArona feels entirely different. There is a clear difference to how she acts towards everyone in day to day happenings (rudely on the nose) and towards champion in bed -- with respect and adoration. Yet she doesn't entirely lose what makes Arona Arona by becoming overly docile. She still has her snark and pushes her weight around even with you present. Which is how I think it should be and what people here describe as healthy Sub/Dom relationship.
Click to expand...
Its not so much as that she is a terrible person. I don't mind that. If her being mean is the point the writer should go for that. Its a bigger issue of suspension of disbelief. If Dom Arona is stronger than you and is established as a threat to the village. And Sanders, the cumpire and Garth are sending you out to deal with it (despite the devs saying their all stronger than you, but for some reason can't solve their own problems) why would she join the party? Why should she leave the village alone? I don't have a problem with a character being a bad person or unlikeable. I have a problem with their motives not making sense in context to the story. Which is what I believe a lot people who point to dom arona being poorly written are getting at.

Using Moneymans example of Jack from mass effect 2. She goes along with Shepherd because she wants to get info on Cerberus and the fact that the prison shes in is about to explode. She's with you completely out of convenience, but as the series progresses genuinely comes to care for you and the rest of the crew (even Miranda) Same deal with Grunt. As grunt literally was going to kill Shepherd as soon as he got out of the tank. But joins as he respect Shepherd as a warrior. You can take either of these paths for Arona when she's a sub, but when she's a dom who has defeated you in combat it doesn't work. (It does work with a dom that you've throw the fight with, as once again it more roleplay, and less she's actually your dom.)

Arona's motives don't make sense. If she wants to use you as a sperm donor or broodmare, why party up with you and help if she's already proven she can just rape you? Why leave the village alone after she becomes chief? The natural progression should be her going raiding unchecked and building a harem of everyone in the village and slowly taking over the land. (or Sanders, cumpire, and Garth finally stepping up and showing us how strong they are. Or Kas stopping her and turning her into a demon general.)

I don't mind it being a bad end or separate thing. I just want it to make sense. Once again I do like her. I'd even say if written properly she could be more interesting than Brienne and Brint as she has some form of arc in her sub route. And is more than the warrior archetype that only fights, fucks, and sleeps. But it needs to make sense. And this is a constant problem in the game. A concept that on paper seems good, but is usually poorly executed. This is the reoccurring problem with almost every aspect of game. Its not me trying to be mean to the devs, but if they had an actual editor or someone on quality control so many of this minor issues would go away. But they just keep piling up.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Mivo, Kiryuthedarkdragonlord, MarcusDBlack and 2 others
Shiro15

Shiro15

Member
Mar 15, 2019
146
858
Daken9 said:
Lowkey think subArona got better relationship progression than pretty much anyone in the game. Enemies to frenemies to friends to
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

Still not better than Brienne, but definetely number 2.
Click to expand...
Perfect example of why I'm starting to warm up to her, and why sub route aint bad, cause it works in context of what going on.
 
M0nte

M0nte

Well-Known Member
Oct 4, 2020
1,387
3,047
Shiro15 said:
Its not so much as that she is a terrible person. I don't mind that. If her being mean is the point the writer should go for that. Its a bigger issue of suspension of disbelief. If Dom Arona is stronger than you and is established as a threat to the village. And Sanders, the cumpire and Garth are sending you out to deal with it (despite the devs saying their all stronger than you, but for some reason can't solve their own problems) why would she join the party? Why should she leave the village alone? I don't have a problem with a character being a bad person or unlikeable. I have a problem with their motives not making sense in context to the story. Which is what I believe a lot people who point to dom arona being poorly written are getting at.

Using Moneymans example of Jack from mass effect 2. She goes along with Shepherd because she wants to get info on Cerberus and the fact that the prison shes in is about to explode. She's with you completely out of convenience, but as the series progresses genuinely comes to care for you and the rest of the crew (even Miranda) Same deal with Grunt. As grunt literally was going to kill Shepherd as soon as he got out of the tank. But joins as he respect Shepherd as a warrior. You can take either of these paths for Arona when she's a sub, but when she's a dom who has defeated you in combat it doesn't work. (It does work with a dom that you've throw the fight with, as once again it more roleplay, and less she's actually your dom.)

Arona's motives don't make sense. If she wants to use you as a sperm donor or broodmare, why party up with you and help if she's already proven she can just rape you? Why leave the village alone after she becomes chief? The natural progression should be her going raiding unchecked and building a harem of everyone in the village and slowly taking over the land. (or Sanders, cumpire, and Garth finally stepping up and showing us how strong they are. Or Kas stopping her and turning her into a demon general.)

I don't mind it being a bad end or separate thing. I just want it to make sense. Once again I do like her. I'd even say if written properly she could be more interesting than Brienne and Brint as she has some form of arc in her sub route. And is more than the warrior archetype that only fights, fucks, and sleeps. But it needs to make sense. And this is a constant problem in the game. A concept that on paper seems good, but is usually poorly executed. This is the reoccurring problem with almost every aspect of game. Its not me trying to be mean to the devs, but if they had an actual editor or someone on quality control so many of this minor issues would go away. But they just keep piling up.
Click to expand...
So this is still a con in a grand scheme of things, but you can beat her ass before she forces you into joining her in her little escapade of overthrowing her brother. You are still her sub afterwards, for some reason, but I think that implies that champion would, at the end of the day, still posses some kind of autonomy in the case Arona would get out of line. And it also shows that the champion could still kick her ass if they put their mind to it. It is just, that at that point, the champion likes the idea of being Aronas sub (and I would guess the player) so they are fine with her taking the lead.

She is not raping or pillaging because she sees no need to do it because she already has you as her war trophy. And because she herself sees no point in it. And, besides all that, she still has enough honor to keep her end of the bargain which is to leave you and the city alone if you help her.
Dom Arona likes you despite how bad she is at showing it. I think those are plenty enough.

throbzombie said:
There's one who shows up in the Frostwoods, I think. She's a level 5 hostile encounter.
Click to expand...
Yeah, she counts but I want something more substantial/meaty. A goblin you can easily Cary around and manhandle to your hearts content. Like you can do to Dizzy in TiTS or that goblin chick in CoC2. With further emphasize of height difference and breeding.
 
Shiro15

Shiro15

Member
Mar 15, 2019
146
858
M0nte said:
So this is still a con in a grand scheme of things, but you can beat her ass before she forces you into joining her in her little escapade of overthrowing her brother. You are still her sub afterwards, for some reason, but I think that implies that champion would, at the end of the day, still posses some kind of autonomy in the case Arona would get out of line. And it also shows that the champion could still kick her ass if they put their mind to it. It is just, that at that point, the champion likes the idea of being Aronas sub (and I would guess the player) so they are fine with her taking the lead.

She is not raping or pillaging because she sees no need to do it because she already has you as her war trophy. And because she herself sees no point in it. And, besides all that, she still has enough honor to keep her end of the bargain which is to leave you and the city alone if you help her.
Dom Arona likes you despite how bad she is at showing it. I think those are plenty enough.
Click to expand...
In my post I made the distinction between those routes. Where you choose to be her sub and we’re you’re made to be her sub. I take issue with the made to be her sub route. As it doesn’t make sense. Why make a promise to someone who you’re better than. In that route she’s beaten you. She’s won multiple times. If you beat her and choose to be a sub its more akin to you role playing with her. If you’re her prize cause she’s conquered you she doesn’t have to stop or change what she’s doing which is pillaging and raping.

It should turn into I a bad end, as Aron’s has no reason to change her motives or goals. Which is raping and pillaging.

But when you’re role playing as a sub it’s more like you’re both in love and as you put it the champ still has agency and can refuse if they want. I have no problem with that as it makes sense why she follows you. As you’re stronger than her, but the champ enjoys sex from the sub position.
 
BiffBlastcheese

BiffBlastcheese

Newbie
Apr 4, 2018
32
152
Daken9 said:
Lowkey think subArona got better relationship progression than pretty much anyone in the game. Enemies to frenemies to friends to
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

Still not better than Brienne, but definetely number 2.
Click to expand...
That makes me feel bad because it's obvious how many people wrote her off because she has a dick and/or because they believe dickgirls/futas should only be dominant. In this case, it sounds like self-fulfilling prophecy/getting exactly what you asked for.
 
Kroenen12

Kroenen12

Member
May 25, 2020
454
2,620
my biggest problem with arona is the fact that she speaks openly and with pride about all the shit that her tribe has done (raiding defenseless villages and enslaving cow girls) but the moment someone questions her she feels offended and pulls out the racism card.
1.png
well arona... the orcs, more specifically your tribe, are the only enemies apart from the demons that raid villages and turn cowgirls into sex slaves, so it's quite normal that brienne dislikes you, she doesn't hate you for being an orc, she hates you for your actions.
""Actions have consequences, who knew?" mutters Brienne."
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Runufiv, Centurio, monk_56 and 6 others
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top Bottom
2.90 star(s) 127 Votes