Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.16] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Kroenen12]

Does anyone know who he is?

 

[Tau_Iota]

can you give some examples of that?

Berwyn, well look at his update. It guts his previous content for some mediocre copy-pasted content.
Brint, see above but also... there's a reason why on their discord they had to crack down on saying Brint isn't real/Brienne is the only one around. But yes, Brienne does take away content from Brint. Look at how in-depth her family content is vs Brint's. The marriage, her interactivity with you. Her variety of busts alone speaks for itself

 

[arls120]

Spoiler: from best to worst

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[Wrynn13]

What? She has one scene out of like seven or eight where she tucks her dick away and acts like a regular female. How is she “hiding that she’s futa most of the time”?

For one when she isn't in a sex scene you can't tell, unlike the bulk of futas in the game that have very obvious bulges in their clothing. Then when you beat her in a fight she loses control and can no longer hide it and acts upset at this. Between those 2 things it seems, at least to me, that she is actively trying to hide her nature. Maybe it's just cause she likes to spring it as a surprise, but unless she is constantly having sex that's most of the time.

 

[Wrynn13]

Aside from Agni, is there anyone else you can give a dick? Because you can take away the schlong from Eryka. I just think we should all learn our lesson from CoC1 and keep the non-mandatory tfs to the PC. Does anyone remember Joy, Jojo's bimbo tf from CoC1? Because it was so buggy it had to be removed. Some mods even reimplemented Joy, only to remove it again because it's that buggy. His corrupt form is lacking as well. Even if every futa had a dedick option, would you expect new scenes to replace those dick scenes? Because as content shallow as this game is already, you wouldn't be getting new scenes.

I don't remember Joy being buggy at all. I do remember enjoying being able to customize my followers a whole lot more than you can in CoC2. Cait gets her magic dick, not sure if that counts though. The half wolf/giant can be given one, the centaur hero in Khorminos is supposed to be able to be given one, and of course Agni as you said. Can't think of any others but feels like more I guess. Eryka is supposed to be female, the dick is a curse so you're just fixing her. Same with the one in the tavern if that ever gets coded. And I don't think adding customizability to main characters would be a bad thing if the writers would concentrate more on them and less on one shot filler characters.

 

[lutes42]

Anyone know how to fuck Astraea? I saw her nude portrait in the game files, but dont know how to fuck her in game. Can you find her after the Berwyn quest, or do you need to fuck her during it?

 

[Heremus]

It's the progress of this game and Trials in Tainted Space that makes me wonder, whenever the fuck this game and TITS ever completely ends development, what are they gonna do. An actual new series or try a repeat of this. And who's going to head it?
To this day, I've still yet to bother compiling a list of all the planned content for COC1, least regarding the wiki alone.

 

[Skandranon]

I don't remember Joy being buggy at all. I do remember enjoying being able to customize my followers a whole lot more than you can in CoC2. Cait gets her magic dick, not sure if that counts though. The half wolf/giant can be given one, the centaur hero in Khorminos is supposed to be able to be given one, and of course Agni as you said. Can't think of any others but feels like more I guess. Eryka is supposed to be female, the dick is a curse so you're just fixing her. Same with the one in the tavern if that ever gets coded. And I don't think adding customizability to main characters would be a bad thing if the writers would concentrate more on them and less on one shot filler characters.

Alante is not getting one as far as Wsan has ever said. People just keep asking for it.

As far as I know, its just Agni, and I guess Liulfr, but you can send him either way.

Anyone know how to fuck Astraea? I saw her nude portrait in the game files, but dont know how to fuck her in game. Can you find her after the Berwyn quest, or do you need to fuck her during it?

You can't.

 

[Wrynn13]

Alante is not getting one as far as Wsan has ever said. People just keep asking for it.

As far as I know, its just Agni, and I guess Liulfr, but you can send him either way.



You can't.

Could have sworn Wsan confirmed Alante was getting the option of one or maybe it was Savin putting words in Wsans mouth, always possible with Savin.

 

[helllover]

Brienne gets more content than Brint, because she’s more popular, so in a sense she’s sapping potential content away from Brint.

That's how the writers usually run their patreon, but I'm not sure how Savin pays them for the official content.

 

[Skandranon]

Could have sworn Wsan confirmed Alante was getting the option of one or maybe it was Savin putting words in Wsans mouth, always possible with Savin.

All I've seen is Savin joking about how he's been repeatedly asking and is eventually gonna wear Wsan down, and Wsan mentioning that when he revealed Alante that was the first thing other members of the staff asked him for. And that was last month, so I doubt there's been any major changes.

 

[Tau_Iota]

I don't remember Joy being buggy at all. I do remember enjoying being able to customize my followers a whole lot more than you can in CoC2. Cait gets her magic dick, not sure if that counts though. The half wolf/giant can be given one, the centaur hero in Khorminos is supposed to be able to be given one, and of course Agni as you said. Can't think of any others but feels like more I guess. Eryka is supposed to be female, the dick is a curse so you're just fixing her. Same with the one in the tavern if that ever gets coded. And I don't think adding customizability to main characters would be a bad thing if the writers would concentrate more on them and less on one shot filler characters.

I'm far too lazy to look for it, but Xianxia's discord talked about it not too long ago. Went something like "hgg doesn't have Joy because they're too afraid of the bugs", the bugs weren't save-destroying though. It was things like calling corrupt/pure Jojo into Joy scenes, referencing them as Jojo and not Joy, other people recognizing them as Jojo. Stuff like that. Again, by final release she was outright removed because of this.

Cait's is essentially a strap-on so I wouldn't count that, what half-wolf giant?, and yeah the centaur is a Savin desire not a Wsan plan. Eryka's dick may be a curse, but you still choose to take it away.

Customizing your main characters isn't in and of itself an issue, but rather what comes with it. First and foremost being coding, Fenoxo games have always been notoriously bug-ridden (see Jojoy). I don't wanna see 8 Jojoys running around where they're sometimes pure futas and other times corrupt men. Limiting character transforms solves this. Secondly, sometimes it just doesn't make sense for the character. Like fucking Berwynne going full female, imo. And thirdly, sometimes people just have a vision for a character that doesn't include dicking/de-dicking them. Like giving Scylla from CoC1 a magnum dong wouldn't make a lick of sense, or taking away Ro'gar's (gay orc from CoC1). Although I do agree, many of the one-shots are tiring

 

[Jötunn123]

Always the chance that the writers might lose interest in certain characters for a loooong time.

 

[A Burning Conscience]

Hey, before I start, again I can appear an ass, do call me out if I overstep. OK? Here we go.

"How many characters do you like" is a whole 'nother topic. And "largely" copy pasted seems a bit of an exaggeration when it just seems to be a repeated scene between the two sisters.

Incorrect, we just saw with the new Stylist characters added to the "FloofHaus" as they like to call it, that TOBS cloned Miko content.

See Basty96's post on this matter here:

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At a rough glance, there's...29 recurring named futa encounters in the game.
I stopped counting the females at double that. It's still not even close, no matter what criteria you use. Important characters, permanent characters, battlefuck, non-battlefuck - the ratio is between double and triple in favor of females.

How many of those got front page splashes on the website? How many of those female characters are plot relevant? I do not dispute the numbers of characters, I dispute their level of value based on effort put in, relevance and level of promotion. And this is about a thing that is exceedingly rare in nature, being represented in the ratios that homosexual content should be realistically represented.

This is getting into opinion territory, but I'll bite here as well.

Yes, this is all opinion territory, let none us delude ourselves here, I am arguing an opinion based on the information before me as are you. I acknowledged your numbers based on the factual element of them, challenged them on their interpretation.

The most energy? Easily female characters. Tobs has written, as mentioned, one futa. Of Savin's three companions, the one that gets the most attention by far is the female one. Wsan has written more for Brienne than any other character (though he has written three fairly in depth futa).

Excluding copied and pasted content. And when it comes to companions I will concede the bias, I had thought of including that in my previous post but couldn't work it in. But when it comes to companions and their level of content we are really talking about two companions only, Cait and Brienne. They have far more content than the rest put together. And of those Cait has been getting less focus over time, as I demonstrated in the Cait watch posts where at first she was pivotal to the story, and after winter city she dropped off the face of the earth. Companions as a catagory do not mean much, most only have content on par with the more complex "settled" NPCS, and the most complex of those in Berwyn was a passion project that just got axed.

All the marriageable character characters so far? Female. All the ones planned? Mostly female, and two males.
Characters you can go on dates with? All female.
Characters you can have an actual kid with that's an actual NPC and not just a number? All female.
Characters with in-depth preg content at all, vastly bent towards female.

Really, there's little to no romantic content for futas in this game at all. Valencia is it, really. And if you really want to stretch the definition of romance...maybe Evelyn and Arona?

True, and an interesting and strange point. While the NPC kids mean little right now because of the three of them only one has any actual content (I know Freja has some, but they amount to several uninteractible one-off scenes). If I could draw a conclusion from this it would be that the writers treat Futa's as pure sex symbols and alternatives to male characters, as such they fill the roll of male characters in a world designed for male players. As such they are seen more as sexable rivals, and get afforded the screen time male counter parts would be given.

This is also removing the context in which the characters are introduced. Yes, out the Marefolk villiage, only Atani is mariable, but she is surrounde BY futa content. Her guards are futas, her mother is futa, you go to the wedding and you are reminded that all of them have horse cock save the bride. The other marriages? Centaur wife, has no bearing on events and the villiage has no value save recruiting the party pack-mule. Kiyoko is reviled in this community and falls squarely into TOBS's content, so yes, as a matter of preference, she is devalued.

Heck, just glance at the changelogs. Run through them and note how often they actually include content for futa characters. Pretty sure entire months have gone by with nothing.

Sorry, no, I've just gone through the website to check this and no. Every month back to the start of 2020 (Where I stopped because it's geting late and I wish to sleep) has a splash image of at least one futa character or an update that added to one. Bear in mind that batches of NPC's, like the brothels and centaurs, include at least one futa.

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I do not think that there's is any actual way to interpret futa as the predominant sex of the game.

And saying it should be "a rare minority fetish set of characters" seems to be personal bias. Again, by all available evidence, the fanbase of this game loves futa.
The idea that the thing the fanbase has clearly indicated they are massively in favor of should be rare seems a bit misguided.

There are very few futa games on the market at all that aren't just straight up low-effort crap that's not worth anyone's time...so it seems a bit cruel to begrudge the factually small amount that this game does have.

(Sorry about the double quote, I've tried to fix it, I don't know why it keeps inserting it).

Should we run a poll here and see what numbers that gives us? Put a survey before two different audiences and get two different results. Was new coke good or bad?
Their surveys are served to their existing, paying, audience. People who have a vested interest, and have been exclusively filtered out from their total audience, IE everyone who doesn't continue to shell out Patreon money.

To justify my point on scarcity further, Savarra was meant to be a a more grounded world, yet it has more futa content than the original game. Hell, be your own numbers it has more futa's than there are homosexuals in the world (if we extrapolate your ratios, who conservatively number 1 in 10. I am not arguing there is a one to one for all. But that an over-representation of something extremely rare is highly noticeable.

As for futa games on the market... I think we can both click the futa tag at the top of this page and disabuse that notion.

 

[Jötunn123]

I'm somewhat annoyed by the inclusion of Salamanders as a transformation, since their only interesting part, their hot body and insides aren't going to be usable for a PC since No writer is going to include it.

Same to many of the other transformations.

 

[Tau_Iota]

I'm somewhat annoyed by the inclusion of Salamanders as a transformation, since their only interesting part, their hot body and insides aren't going to be usable for a PC since No writer is going to include it.

Same to many of the other transformations.

Honestly though. Like at this point, transforming (aside from gender) feels straight up pointless aside from personal preference

 

[Skandranon]

Incorrect, we just saw with the new Stylist characters added to the "FloofHaus" as they like to call it, that TOBS cloned Miko content.

Stylist characters were added months ago. All that was just added was a bust I'm pretty sure. And they weren't added to the kitsune den.

And that cloned content was what I was talking about though I meant to type from the two sisters, not between.

How many of those got front page splashes on the website? How many of those female characters are plot relevant? I do not dispute the numbers of characters, I dispute their level of value based on effort put in, relevance and level of promotion.

The answer to all those is probably "more than the futas by a good bit".

How many plot relevant futa characters are there? Kas, Etheryn and...is that it?

And if we want to count front page splashes, lets go over the front page stuff for this whole year.

Futa and female
Female
Female and Male
Female
Futa
Female
Female
Futa
Female
Female
Male
Female
Futa
Female
Futa
Female
Female
Female
Female
Futa
Female

So 15 posts with a female on them and...6 posts with a futa on them.

...pretty much the same ratio as everything else.

And this is about a thing that is exceedingly rare in nature, being represented in the ratios that homosexual content should be realistically represented.

This...doesn't matter. This is a fetish game. How much stuff occurs in nature is kinda irrelevant here.

Yes, this is all opinion territory, let none us delude ourselves here, I am arguing an opinion based on the information before me as are you. I acknowledged your numbers based on the factual element of them, challenged them on their interpretation.

But the opinion you are representing here has a LOT of fact to cover. You are saying that a 3rd of the characters get more attention than a number of characters over triple their size. In literally every easily measurable metric, the exact opposite is true.

Excluding copied and pasted content. And when it comes to companions I will concede the bias, I had thought of including that in my previous post but couldn't work it in. But when it comes to companions and their level of content we are really talking about two companions only, Cait and Brienne. They have far more content than the rest put together. And of those Cait has been getting less focus over time, as I demonstrated in the Cait watch posts where at first she was pivotal to the story, and after winter city she dropped off the face of the earth. Companions as a catagory do not mean much, most only have content on par with the more complex "settled" NPCS, and the most complex of those in Berwyn was a passion project that just got axed.

Regardless of how much content any of them are getting relative to before, they still get more content by far than...well, the futa companion (Arona).

And "pivotal to the story" isn't really the issue, here, content is. And after Winter City, she has gotten CaitQuest, the whole brothel, a new transformation, a steady drop of scenes, etc.

As such they are seen more as sexable rivals, and get afforded the screen time male counter parts would be given.

I pretty much agree with this...but it kinda just bolsters my point.

This is also removing the context in which the characters are introduced. Yes, out the Marefolk villiage, only Atani is mariable, but she is surrounde BY futa content. Her guards are futas, her mother is futa, you go to the wedding and you are reminded that all of them have horse cock save the bride.

So...all the meaningful content is had by the female character, all the attention is on the female character, all of the non-story development surrounds the female character - and the futas get a few sex scenes.

Also, if we're talking about context - the marefolk village basically also comes with the centaur village, the quest finishes both. The place where you get to marry ANOTHER female character, and get another character that actually becomes a camp companion - both of course, female.

The other marriages? Centaur wife, has no bearing on events and the villiage has no value save recruiting the party pack-mule. Kiyoko is reviled in this community and falls squarely into TOBS's content, so yes, as a matter of preference, she is devalued.

Whether or not she is reviled is, again, irrelevant. The issue posed by you is, well...

based on effort put in, relevance and level of promotion

and Kiyoko definitely fills those roles.

Sorry, no, I've just gone through the website to check this and no. Every month back to the start of 2020 (Where I stopped because it's geting late and I wish to sleep) has a splash image of at least one futa character or an update that added to one. Bear in mind that batches of NPC's, like the brothels and centaurs, include at least one futa.

Splash images aren't content. There have been many dry spells with little to no futa content, though tbh I'd have to check if an actual calendar month corresponded.

Should we run a poll here and see what numbers that gives us? Put a survey before two different audiences and get two different results. Was new coke good or bad?
Their surveys are served to their existing, paying, audience. People who have a vested interest, and have been exclusively filtered out from their total audience, IE everyone who doesn't continue to shell out Patreon money.

Even on here, as someone just commented, there's an awful lot of futa characters on top polls.

And, quite frankly, the poll results here, would be...meaningless. You talked about what they should be putting in their game, and I would think that pretty much anyone would agree that a business should be catering to its paying customers and not pirates, no? Add to that the fact that that poll sat around 2500+ people and here probably doesn't hit 100 users, and I feel its pretty clear which one someone would give more weight to logically.

To justify my point on scarcity further, Savarra was meant to be a a more grounded world, yet it has more futa content than the original game. Hell, be your own numbers it has more futa's than there are homosexuals in the world (if we extrapolate your ratios, who conservatively number 1 in 10. I am not arguing there is a one to one for all. But that an over-representation of something extremely rare is highly noticeable.

It also has more cow people than than there are in the world.
Relating Savarra's demographics to the real world does not seem like a useful metric in any way.

As for futa games on the market... I think we can both click the futa tag at the top of this page and disabuse that notion.

We most certainly can't. there are over 7000 games on this site; less than 1000 of them have the futa tag at all. The vast majority of those have a single scene or side character at best, and the vast majority of what's left is, to put it nicely, well below par.

 

[Heremus]

To justify my point on scarcity further, Savarra was meant to be a a more grounded world, yet it has more futa content than the original game.

I had to double-take Savarra being a more grounded world, because while I understand where they may be coming from, they've got more stuff here that takes away from it being more grounded, as they imply. Like enjoyment.

Honestly though. Like at this point, transforming (aside from gender) feels straight up pointless aside from personal preference

HOOOH, BOY. Memories are flowing back to how people were excited about transformations several years ago (Fenoxo stuff in general), to see it turn out so counter-productive to their development is hilarious. Trials in Tainted Space with its centaur and lamia choices, on top of ovipositors were something that could've developed into something great. But they refused.

 

[Tau_Iota]

I had to double-take Savarra being a more grounded world, because while I understand where they may be coming from, they've got more stuff here that takes away from it being more grounded, as they imply. Like enjoyment.


HOOOH, BOY. Memories are flowing back to how people were excited about transformations several years ago (Fenoxo stuff in general), to see it turn out so counter-productive to their development is hilarious. Trials in Tainted Space with its centaur and lamia choices, on top of ovipositors were something that could've developed into something great. But they refused.

I 'member when you could be a drider lmao

 

[Heremus]

I 'member when you could be a drider lmao

I remember the choice of sexing Phylla as another insect species.