Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.16] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Deviton123]

You know shit is going bad when you tell your own RPG character to shut the fuck up in certain scenes. Or is it just me?

 

[NaturalEnclave]

One of the worst things they have is this bizarre obsessive hate on modding.
They're worse than a SWAT Team barging down a predator's house when it comes to that.
Think of purists with religious zeal who think any fan work is TAINTING their work.
THIS IS OUR GAME, NOT YOURS, NEVER WILL BE.

Oh god, this...
I remember Savin explaining the reason behind war on modding (aka apparently CoC1 has a bunch of terrible mods that, due to flash being flash, made it impossible to distinguish original version of the game versus the modded one, which caused devs to constantly get bombarded with complains over content they would never have approved and never had control over). However, I really don't think trying to combat modding and (I've heard), FREAKING SAVE EDITING is the solution.

I probably played CoC2 less than most people here (I gave up after not being able to beat a boss guarding Winter City despite having a high-level and the combat really doesn't have any strategy to it from what I've played) and while it was one of the first porn games I've touched, that also impressed me with actually trying to be more than just a quick fap game (while still being decent for quick fap game), the more I thought about it, the more I realized that it sucks in many areas and I have 3 issues per every 1 good thing it does.

It reminds me of Skyrim. Looking at it now, it's not really... the greatest game in a lot of areas. In fact, it's flawed in a lot of ways. But I still love it. And I still play it from time to time because... guess what, you can fucking mod the issues out of the game and make in into what you want. CoC2 is not the worst porn game, it has value. In fact, I don't know if I can say with 100% confidence that it's a terrible game... but it ain't a great one either.

And worst of all - it's really a hateable game. Enormous amount of futas with massive cocks, scenes ranging from great to just boring and unfun to read, combat that is awful and many other aspects you've mentioned. And, most importantly, the fact that it feels like a golden child of the devs that they refuse to be changed or modified by anyone. If devs were fine with modding and CoC2 had a proper, decent modding community that occasionally released some gems, I think the game's reputation would skyrocket. Given how pretentious some of the writing is, it creates this impression that devs don't want you to just have a fun game which provides a good wank or three. They want you to play the game in the most pure, intended way and observe the bullshit they put in, because they believe it's the greatest content out there in the porn game industry.

 

[Raf-Raf]

Oh god, this...
I remember Savin explaining the reason behind war on modding (aka apparently CoC1 has a bunch of terrible mods that, due to flash being flash, made it impossible to distinguish original version of the game versus the modded one, which caused devs to constantly get bombarded with complains over content they would never have approved and never had control over). However, I really don't think trying to combat modding and (I've heard), FREAKING SAVE EDITING is the solution.

I probably played CoC2 less than most people here (I gave up after not being able to beat a boss guarding Winter City despite having a high-level and the combat really doesn't have any strategy to it from what I've played) and while it was one of the first porn games I've touched, that also impressed me with actually trying to be more than just a quick fap game (while still being decent for quick fap game), the more I thought about it, the more I realized that it sucks in many areas and I have 3 issues per every 1 good thing it does.

It reminds me of Skyrim. Looking at it now, it's not really... the greatest game in a lot of areas. In fact, it's flawed in a lot of ways. But I still love it. And I still play it from time to time because... guess what, you can fucking mod the issues out of the game and make in into what you want. CoC2 is not the worst porn game, it has value. In fact, I don't know if I can say with 100% confidence that it's a terrible game... but it ain't a great one either.

And worst of all - it's really a hateable game. Enormous amount of futas with massive cocks, scenes ranging from great to just boring and unfun to read, combat that is awful and many other aspects you've mentioned. And, most importantly, the fact that it feels like a golden child of the devs that they refuse to be changed or modified by anyone. If devs were fine with modding and CoC2 had a proper, decent modding community that occasionally released some gems, I think the game's reputation would skyrocket. Given how pretentious some of the writing is, it creates this impression that devs don't want you to just have a fun game which provides a good wank or three. They want you to play the game in the most pure, intended way and observe the bullshit they put in, because they believe it's the greatest content out there in the porn game industry.

Believe me, Normal mode difficulty is a joke.
Story mode should be your best friend 'cause the combat system is a huge pile of shit.

These devs are the perfect example of AAA devs we always hear about today.

"It's not our fault that they don't enjoy it, it's not us, it's the players that are the problem."
"Don't like it? Then go play another, your issues aren't our issues."

Playing this game on normal mode is the same as lifting weights while your arms are strapped to the chair or trying to do a swan dive on a puddle.

 

[NaturalEnclave]

Believe me, Normal mode difficulty is a joke.
Story mode should be your best friend 'cause the combat system is a huge pile of shit.

These devs are the perfect example of AAA devs we always hear about today.

"It's not our fault that they don't enjoy it, it's not us, it's the players that are the problem."
"Don't like it? Then go play another, your issues aren't our issues."

Playing this game on normal mode is the same as lifting weights while your arms are strapped to the chair or trying to do a swan dive on a puddle.

As a player who usually plays on High Difficulty for games I am familiar with and still goes for normal for games I am not too good at because I want to actually try to play by the game's rules and understand how the developers want me to play, CoC2 really tricked me by assuming it's my fault for losing in combat.
Honestly, if I ever return to the game I will play on the story difficulty because it's not my fault they can't balance even normal one. That is, if I have a reason to return to it. At this point, I sort of find more enjoinment in r34 for actual videogames which I should play instead.
Now, if I don't play CoC2 and don't intend to in the near future, why I am here? Am I like a redditor for a live-service game who still posts on reddit because he hates the game despite not touching it in months? Not really, I just legit find the narrative discussions and the lessons you can learn from failures of CoC2 pretty interesting to read and examine (which is why I even started talking about character focus not always being a bad thing, because I've seen it work in other games).

 

[Raf-Raf]

As a player who usually plays on High Difficulty for games I am familiar with and still goes for normal for games I am not too good at because I want to actually try to play by the game's rules and understand how the developers want me to play, CoC2 really tricked me by assuming it's my fault for losing in combat.
Honestly, if I ever return to the game I will play on the story difficulty because it's not my fault they can't balance even normal one. That is, if I have a reason to return to it. At this point, I sort of find more enjoinment in r34 for actual videogames which I should play instead.
Now, if I don't play CoC2 and don't intend to in the near future, why I am here? Am I like a redditor for a live-service game who still posts on reddit because he hates the game despite not touching it in months? Not really, I just legit find the narrative discussions and the lessons you can learn from failures of CoC2 pretty interesting to read and examine (which is why I even started talking about character focus not always being a bad thing, because I've seen it work in other games).

The devs call it a sandbox, I call this a litterbox.
You can have a bit of fun if you can avoid the shit scattered all around the sand with shovel and a bucket as your only toys.

There are some exceptions (again) that can maybe? make you forget how shit this game is if you don't touch anything else aside from other writers' content.

This game is best played if you don't take it seriously, like we the player are in silly mode except everyone in-game is taking everything seriously because treating the game and its shitty excuse you call a story seriously is the worst decision I've ever done.

Look at me, I turned to a cactus, what kind of shit game turns a person to this?

 

[Deviton123]

The devs call it a sandbox, I call this a litterbox.
You can have a bit of fun if you can avoid the shit scattered all around the sand with shovel and a bucket as your only toys.

There are some exceptions (again) that can maybe? make you forget how shit this game is if you don't touch anything else aside from other writers' content.

This game is best played if you don't take it seriously, like we the player are in silly mode except everyone in-game is taking everything seriously because treating the game and its shitty excuse you call a story seriously is the worst decision I've ever done.

Look at me, I turned to a cactus, what kind of shit game turns a person to this?

For real, Brienne and Aileh are the only reasons why I keep playing this game on and off.

 

[Tau_Iota]

Take the choice of keeping Loghain alive for example. Alistair will absolutely NOT stand for this no matter what you as a player do. If he's hardened, he will make himself king just to execute the bastard. If he isn't hardened and you don't back down, he just fucking leaves the party and never comes back. No matter what the player does, they have to decide between them. And that's a very strong character moment for Alistair who's usually more timid and a follower. .

There's something I just fucking love about characters having their own initiative, which is another problem for CoC2. All these characters are so much better than your character, but just stand there waiting for you to do something. Is the PC special because they're the only person with initiative? When I was doing an evil route in DA:O and Alistair left I was fucking crushed. Alistair is the best companion, hands down.

Aka people who play the game just to fap and/or don't look at it critically. Which is perfectly fine, nobody is saying you can't do that. But that doesn't remove the flaws the game has.

Not to mention that unless you're playing something like those old "Jill the Plumber" type flash games (AKA, glorified scene viewers), you should at least be able to expect some semblance of story. Looking at a lot of other games' reviews on here, reviews tend to plummet when your story is shit. So I think it's safe to say people are looking for a bit of story, makes sense since we could all just go to PornHub if we weren't.

I'm glad you're on board with us and not huffing the same substance those devs are.
I treat this game as a Could be, CAN BE a good game. with a bit of copium to the side IF ONLY they let go of this petty asshurt feeling they had back in CoC1, If they just write FOR the players instead of themselves.

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[Raf-Raf]

Seeing Raf-Raf comment more than a small paragraph be like:

Ey man, I enjoy lurking and be disappointed again seeing everyone go through the same shit I went through in this piece of shit.
I just thought that MAYBE time will fix it but no.

Such a huge disappointment.

Also because I replayed it again 'cause I don't have any games to play.
No way in hell I won't be mad enough to write a quarter TOBS level of text after re-experiencing all of it again.

 

[fakklan]

TBH, as much as I hate the gameplay systems like the leveling/class system and combat being utter dogshit, one thing I don't understand is people talking how the game is hard.

It's simple really: don't think. Just take what deals most damage.
Either play Warrior with assasinate as your ultimate and cleave to walk over multi-foe encounters, also 1 or 2 ST attacks, and then pray for cait to heal you...
...or play a black mage with bolstering dance, fire wand to deal elemental damage, then the thingie that puts fire DoT on you and doubles fire damage so you can cast your aoe/st target and yeet the enemy, with Dracia being the only place so far resistant to being 1-2 shotted.

If you want to play anything else, forget it. In wanting to balance everything and make a good roster of moves, they fucked up and made a lot of useless abilities of varying types of damage, where it barely ever matters (using grease + fire or applying weaknesses maybe, where most weaknesses other than grease are ST) - in addition to UI being fucking horrific and swapping them out takes a year or two, and gods forbid if you ever used a mirror stance. Like, are we going to talk about how bad equipping moves is?

In wanting to make a character of every flavour playable, they not only made the races bland by not having advantages/disadvantages in combat (or outside) over others, but also castrated the combat by making it bloated, with very few options that don't get you raped because you got yeeted. The "retry form checkpoint" button in dungeons isn't a solution, the solution is making a combat system that doesn't fuck you over and you have more than two classes being able of hitting the enemy, surviving the enemy, killing the enemy; AND companions that use their skills well, because these fucking don't. You have a manual mode and by the gods, it seems that your companions always opt to use the worst skills available, as to what they could be using if you did it manually, but it just bloats the combat even more because instead of equipping them skills, they have costumes you need to swap.

 

[Raf-Raf]

TBH, as much as I hate the gameplay systems like the leveling/class system and combat being utter dogshit, one thing I don't understand is people talking how the game is hard.

It's simple really: don't think. Just take what deals most damage.
Either play Warrior with assasinate as your ultimate and cleave to walk over multi-foe encounters, also 1 or 2 ST attacks, and then pray for cait to heal you...
...or play a black mage with bolstering dance, fire wand to deal elemental damage, then the thingie that puts fire DoT on you and doubles fire damage so you can cast your aoe/st target and yeet the enemy, with Dracia being the only place so far resistant to being 1-2 shotted.

If you want to play anything else, forget it. In wanting to balance everything and make a good roster of moves, they fucked up and made a lot of useless abilities of varying types of damage, where it barely ever matters (using grease + fire or applying weaknesses maybe, where most weaknesses other than grease are ST) - in addition to UI being fucking horrific and swapping them out takes a year or two, and gods forbid if you ever used a mirror stance. Like, are we going to talk about how bad equipping moves is?

In wanting to make a character of every flavour playable, they not only made the races bland by not having advantages/disadvantages in combat (or outside) over others, but also castrated the combat by making it bloated, with very few options that don't get you raped because you got yeeted. The "retry form checkpoint" button in dungeons isn't a solution, the solution is making a combat system that doesn't fuck you over and you have more than two classes being able of hitting the enemy, surviving the enemy, killing the enemy; AND companions that use their skills well, because these fucking don't. You have a manual mode and by the gods, it seems that your companions always opt to use the worst skills available, as to what they could be using if you did it manually, but it just bloats the combat even more because instead of equipping them skills, they have costumes you need to swap.

Thanks for reminding me as I forgot to mention crucial stupid fuck-ups / design choices.
This game isn't hard, it's just broken in the worst ways possible.

Which moron decided that putting Level 6 as the level cap will be good? WHO thought this is a good idea?
Which moron decided that you shouldn't be able to powerlevel? There are scripted fights that we'll lose to anyway so what's the point of limiting?
What's the point of limiting our strength if we can just tone down the difficulty to CASUAL (story mode kek) in the first place?

Why can't we solo this? It's going to be a lot harder sure but it's impossible in normal and above unless you go story mode.
I welcome the challenge and I don't want characters in my party that I don't give a damn about.

How we play is something they can't control, They give us the toys, we decide how we play with it.
If it's too cheesy then that's their fucking fault for making it that way in the first place.

Just deal damage, right, let me try and land this hit after 10 years of spamming it.
Let me repeat the line where I miss 9/10 and enemies will always or mostly hit you back with a crit and the worst of all.
If the player falls, the whole combat encounter is done and counted as a loss even if you have allies still standing.

Btw, is it just me or is the game performance slowly becoming more and more unstable?

 

[Tau_Iota]

Ey man, I enjoy lurking and be disappointed again seeing everyone go through the same shit I went through in this piece of shit.
I just thought that MAYBE time will fix it but no.

Such a huge disappointment.

It's never going to be fixed because they don't think anything is broken

It's simple really: don't think. Just take what deals most damage.
Either play Warrior with assasinate as your ultimate and cleave to walk over multi-foe encounters, also 1 or 2 ST attacks, and then pray for cait to heal you...
...or play a black mage with bolstering dance, fire wand to deal elemental damage, then the thingie that puts fire DoT on you and doubles fire damage so you can cast your aoe/st target and yeet the enemy, with Dracia being the only place so far resistant to being 1-2 shotted.

If you want to play anything else, forget it.

Yeah fuck me for wanting to play as a White Mage smh. On two accounts really, one being combat and the other being RP purposes. Hard to RP a white mage's fall from grace when there's no corruption content, aside from sleeping with Kasyrra. Which reminds me, I meant to say this in my last comment. The fact that your companions can find out that you're fucking the BBEG and none of them do anything besides say "Hey maybe don't buddy?" is just so awful. The fuck do you mean that they don't care? She's had a hand in making all of their lives miserable and is currently trying to take over the world, I would think that at least one of them would say "Yeah... I'm gonna go actually fight her? I don't want to be a part of this weird game you're playing with her." and then leave the party.

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I miss the days where you could truly break a game and not have hard caps put in to stop you from doing so. If I want to spam Intelligence potions until any potion I make is the equivalent of using console commands to max out my stats, then fucking let me. Why are so many AAA and indie games going the route of "Nuuu, u can du teh funni meme tricks to hav fun. Mi werld is super serious and nut for funni." And then it's even worse because games are horribly balanced anymore, and because of streamlining and lack of proper dev time only one or two builds ever feel OP. Whether it's the warrior class in CoC2 or the Stealth Archer from Skyrim, they're bland and tunnel you into RP'ing only as that.

At least Bethesda uses their modding community like a crutch so I can get some proper spells... CoC2 doesn't even have the decency of allowing a modding community to form

 

[Raf-Raf]

It's never going to be fixed because they don't think anything is broken

Ah yes.
"In this game there are no bugs mistakes, they're all features."

 

[fakklan]

How we play is something they can't control, They give us the toys, we decide how we play with it.
If it's too cheesy then that's their fucking fault for making it that way in the first place.

Now here's the kicker.
TiTS always had cheats, and they even decided to make them into a special menu; debug mode, get items, teleport to tiles/scenes, level up, add credits, do everything. TiTsEd - an editor - has been a thing since fucking forever, and even still gets updated, if I'm not wrong.

CoCII whines about a save being edited every time you load the game after importing it.
You're not allowed to decide how you want to play; you will go through the Old Forest/Wayfort>Centaurs>Orcs>Shitsunes>WC/Frostmarch>Rapemountain>Dracia, and you will fucking like it.


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Hard to RP a white mage's fall from grace when there's no corruption content, aside from sleeping with Kasyrra. Which reminds me, I meant to say this in my last comment. The fact that your companions can find out that you're fucking the BBEG and none of them do anything besides say "Hey maybe don't buddy?" is just so awful. The fuck do you mean that they don't care? She's had a hand in making all of their lives miserable and is currently trying to take over the world, I would think that at least one of them would say "Yeah... I'm gonna go actually fight her? I don't want to be a part of this weird game you're playing with her." and then leave the party.

Reminder that sleeping with Kassyra give you one (1) corruption point, and the most a companion does is get pissed off, but then goes "I trust you and I hope you know what you're doing".
AFTER YOU FUCKED HER IN THE WINTER CITY ROYAL BEDROOM WHILST PURSUING THE CORRUPTED ELF QUEEN AND FIGHTING ABYSSAL HORRORS.

 

[Raf-Raf]

Now here's the kicker.
TiTS always had cheats, and they even decided to make them into a special menu; debug mode, get items, teleport to tiles/scenes, level up, add credits, do everything. TiTsEd - an editor - has been a thing since fucking forever, and even still gets updated, if I'm not wrong.

CoCII whines about a save being edited every time you load the game after importing it.
You're not allowed to decide how you want to play; you will go through the Old Forest/Wayfort>Centaurs>Orcs>Shitsunes>WC/Frostmarch>Rapemountain>Dracia, and you will fucking like it.

Yep, these are the same devs who worked on TiTs too iirc.

 

[Tau_Iota]

Reminder that sleeping with Kassyra give you one (1) corruption point, and the most a companion does is get pissed off, but then goes "I trust you and I hope you know what you're doing".
AFTER YOU FUCKED HER IN THE WINTER CITY ROYAL BEDROOM WHILST PURSUING THE CORRUPTED ELF QUEEN AND FIGHTING ABYSSAL HORRORS.

That's what I'm saying! Like Etheryn is such an awful character. I just fucked the demon that made your sister a demon On Her Bed. How do you not try to kill me, right now? How are you so fucking pathetic? Ignoring the corruption points because they're meaningless, please explain why Etheryn would want anything to do with the person that fucked the demon? You can even walk away from every encounter with Kasyrra with a new demon transformation. I now have golden eyes just like the demon y'all. Maybe don't trust me anymore?!

Which reminds me about the whole "CoC1 was about corrupting your body, CoC2 is about corrupting your soul," again. In CoC1, you could reach 100 corruption and be a regular human, just be a fucked up person EZ. You'd get perks like corrupted libido sure, but no physical changes other than that. However, you would drastically become an overall more evil person (Soul). In CoC2, you can really only be a White Knight(TM) that bangs the demon lady and end up with a corrupted body to show for it (bigger breasts, bigger dick, demon eyes, etc). So... I think the statement is backwards. CoC1 was all about corrupting your soul, since you could corrupt pretty much everyone and be an all-around shitty person. CoC2 is about corrupting your body, because your soul is already predetermined by the current author's whims.

 

[fakklan]

In CoC2, you can really only be a White Knight(TM)

Blatant lies. How can you be so naive?

Also, behold, the true consequences of corruption of the soul:

You can also do the most evil thing ever... Groping Cait.

 

[Deviton123]

Blatant lies. How can you be so naive?
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Also, behold, the true consequences of corruption of the soul:
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You can also do the most evil thing ever... Groping Cait.

Oh yes, grope the certified ho who's done worse with those willing and unwilling... How dreadful

 

[Raf-Raf]

Blatant lies. How can you be so naive?
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Also, behold, the true consequences of corruption of the soul:
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You can also do the most evil thing ever... Groping Cait.

What's that? I'm too corrupted?
Cait, Ben Dover 'cause I need that ass to purify my soul.

 

[Amnelis]

Page 2, paragraph 2 after starting a new game: "Nearly a year ago, you set off on your own, leaving your former life behind to seek your fortunes on the wild frontier — a year of traveling, exploring, fighting, and surviving alone. You've earned yourself a little coin in your travels, enough to book passage to the furthest reaches of the known world: the Frost Marches."

I am aware of that, that is why I added "and joins some sort of guild under Garth & Brother Sanders" in the unquoted part of my comment. My point is the basic premise is ok without the meeting with Kas right at the start where it sets her up as a universe-wide threat that only you can stop because of your special soul. Instead of recovering at the Frost Hound after that fight you'd just join Garth's guild & that is why you'd suddenly start getting involved in other people's messes before you'd become aware of Kas.

 

[Tau_Iota]

Blatant lies. How can you be so naive?
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Also, behold, the true consequences of corruption of the soul:
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You can also do the most evil thing ever... Groping Cait.

N-not d-d-dialogue chances!!

Almost took you seriously for a second there though lmao