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Wtf is that? I thought NTR was just that, since when was there an update? Given its not something I engage in but still I thought there was just 3 at most: the weirdo that likes to be cucked, the Guy that oblivious, and revenge.
I'm honestly not sure what terms do and don't exist all I know is is where the protagonist doesn't know of and/or doesn't enjoy their lover's cheating, is where the protagonist encourages and/or enjoys their lover's cheating, and is where the protagonist is the one stealing someone else's lover.
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Wtf is that? I thought NTR was just that, since when was there an update? Given its not something I engage in but still I thought there was just 3 at most: the weirdo that likes to be cucked, the Guy that oblivious, and revenge.
Netorase is the guy who likes to get cucked, for what I understand, the difference might be that in netorase consensual cucking becomes a goal while in pure ntr the mc is so mind broken he enjoys it despite not being mind fucked before, or just doesn't learn about what happened

Most voyeur stuff in the game feels like netorase, regular cucking without the risk of losing someone, but then the demon duo do something closer to ntr because they play with the concept of losing Cait for real, which will never, ever happen...

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Netorase is the guy who likes to get cucked, for what I understand, the difference might be that in netorase consensual cucking becomes a goal while in pure ntr the mc is so mind broken he enjoys it despite not being mind fucked before, or just doesn't learn about what happened

Most voyeur stuff in the game feels like netorase, regular cucking without the risk of losing someone, but then the demon duo do something closer to ntr because they play with the concept of losing Cait for real, which will never, ever happen...


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I'm honestly not sure what terms do and don't exist all I know is is where the protagonist doesn't know of and/or doesn't enjoy their lover's cheating, is where the protagonist encourages and/or enjoys their lover's cheating, and is where the protagonist is the one stealing someone else's lover.
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In homage to that My Immortal crossover there, I'd rather call that whole NTR conundrum by the catch-all term...

 

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Now bakc to my point, who does CoC II appeal to now? Certainly not anyone interested in their character being little more than a living camera for us to view the world. Or at the very least, just another faceless OC among a sea of other nobodies. To paraphrase the Incredibles, "When everyone's an OC, no one will be". It now attracts the fanfiction crowd, the shippers. The people who will gladly sit and read 20+ pages of Azyrran and Liaden going on a date because it's so UwU kawaii.

That is the audience of CoC II now.
I still want to believe that the game exist for Savin's futa obsessions since he's still the only programmer. However, learning that he and the crew always interact with fans over wanting more threesomes, futas, and pregnancy; I'm convinced that it's a whole cult of futa fans. Looking back at the past updates from the start of 2025 to now, most of the threesomes involves having at least one futa character. And with how they keep making every women either being a futa, able to be impregnated, or both, it seems all those updates are done for players/fans who are playing the game as futas to have a better experience.
 
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Thanks to the evil magic of the internet knows as IA, I've captured the essence of both My Immortal and this game into a short fic that only a machine could've dream
Thanks I hate it lol.

I still want to believe that the game exist for Savin's futa obsessions since he's still the only programmer.
Isn't the guy who made Viviane also a programmer?
 
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I'd like to thank everyone for the kind words!

This will be my last post regarding the game unless I have to absolutely address something. I'm just using this to vent out some feelings regarding everything about the game and community. It's gonna be pretty unfocused and grammar is gonna be a mess but its just my raw thoughts and opinions. This isn't a hate post or anything, I may have my own grievances but writing is hard and I respect the devs for the willpower and skill it takes to make a world like this.

If you don't care about the incoming wall of text then I fully understand. Have a wonderful day and stay safe.

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It's rough but that is part of writing life. I have a grave yard of unpublished work. Like 4 short stories and 2 full length novells thay will probably never see the light of day.

In coc2, I got so many rejected characters i could probably fill a mid-size book.

I suggest that you keep writing and treat it like a normal hobby. Don’t get too emotionally attatched too your work. Writing, like any skill, takes practice. And a part of practice is failing, learn from it and get better.
 

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Yeah, Savin's made it clear multiple times he dislikes pregnancy. He also dislikes shortstacks too, which is why we haven't got Goblin women despite the fact he's fine approving futa Goblins. Real subtle there, Savin. He's into sluts, anal, futa, and cucking. Though IIRC it's more into netorase and sharing territory than full on NTR.

Why does he have a month dedicated to it? Well, because despite all the annoyance it probably causes him, it is the most popular fetish in the game. I bet he's really kicking himself for letting Tobs make Kiyoko, because she was the catalyst for it. Then again, consider how lackluster the past few Mayternaty's have been. It's just false advertising to get schmucks to sub to their patreon.





I knew right from the get go. When they removed the fact that Ryn was a trap and made the Frost Elves a third gender. And when they started hugboxing Ryn hard by hyping up how bad Alissa was. I knew that we had shifted away from Ryn's original point of being a subby femboy you could either bully or comfort.

I get to everyone here, the idea that people would serious ship porn game characters and write slashfics about them seems really odd. Let's consider the sort of community that's grown around this game. The original people who played this game checked out a long time ago. The ones who wanted to actually RP a Champion like the first CoC. The ones who wanted basic player agency you'd expect from a text based RPG.

When we look at the updates for the past few years, fuck, I want to say Winter City but it might even be earlier than that. You can tell this game had a shift in the way it was being written. Early CoC II had it's moments. It felt way more open with way more potential. Yeah, the saltmining and railroading was in the works, but the first few years or so it wasn't noticable.

Now bakc to my point, who does CoC II appeal to now? Certainly not anyone interested in their character being little more than a living camera for us to view the world. Or at the very least, just another faceless OC among a sea of other nobodies. To paraphrase the Incredibles, "When everyone's an OC, no one will be". It now attracts the fanfiction crowd, the shippers. The people who will gladly sit and read 20+ pages of Azyrran and Liaden going on a date because it's so UwU kawaii.

That is the audience of CoC II now.
I believe the point everything started to morph was when the Kas Halloween event was added. IIRC it was added before it was meant to when Kassy was still the villain and her romance wasn't scheduled until Mino City
 

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A lot of communities can be like that these days. I fall for that myself too. Which is a pain in the ass when you're cognizant of your own mistakes, bias, and ignorance.

Hmm...

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makes me more worried for TiTS.
TiTS is a fully different crew. I'd still be worried about them anyways. CoC2, despite the amount of complaining you get from myself or others, is in a good place as far as a project is concerned. It's got a stable audience for the kind of game it wants to be and delivers content multiple times every single month and has for years. Like yeah they're clearly not in any rush to get to the end. But, I don't think any person spending money on this project and are invested in the work for the writing actually care all that much.

I can have a good time throwing mud at CoC2, a game that ultimately will make it across the finish line with it's current fanbase mostly intact. I can't have a good time throwing mud at TiTS when the inverse is true.

I don't know what my thoughts on modding as of now. I feel like everyone here is hyping it up way too much. The devs are most likely gonna use some anti-modding stuff when the game is finished. I just don't have my hopes up.
There's already a pretty reasonably easy to use mod tool created by one Lubricated Kitty. I imagine even if it doesn't survive to the finish line, with skill like that around, beating the game into a moddable state at that point will always be an inevitable outcome.
 

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Not gonna lie took me a minute to realize he's not your friend. Even when you say you're not into him or have never sexed him. He keeps on hitting on you, every female character you're around is into him completely, and even the minos are on it. He's supposedly the best, but never the champion. But everyone treats him as such, and then all the 3some sex scenes you're in with him, you're never really an equal. You're a bystander, or you're the cuck. It's never a partnership or a bang bro vibe, you're always compared to him, and you'll never actually be stronger or supersede him, even though canonically you should be by far one of the strongest and sexist beings in Savarra.
Yeah, he's just a terrible character. Like, no one in their right mind likes to have that type of character who is the main character in everything but the title. Like, why would they keep trying to compare you to him like that's cute or cool? That's not a friendship, and there is no established rivalry. You'd never even expect it going into the game, that's the absolute worst aspect of CoC2. It just bump-rushes you with cuck shit or something completely out of character. Like, why would your big, strong warrior dude who only chooses dominant options suddenly grow a thirst for dick? Like it always likes to do shit without our input. I may play a 100% corrupt dark knight, but I always made it more of a reflection of his pragmatism and brutal way of fighting. Dude loves his kids and wives, yet when I interact with the fox chick in the windy peaks, suddenly I'm a giant asshole who hates kids. They chose the laziness option for the mc, but not letting you choose what personality and preferences you like or just giving you meaningful choices.
The best way to enjoy Brint is to simply let your brain obscure, forget, or change certain details
Being in denial doesn't change the truth, If I'm sitting in a cuck chair and imagining myself to be the bull it doesn't make me any less of a cuck. Even Brint's sub option still emphasizes his greatness. You glaze at him through your dialogue. He's not worshiping you or being like "damn bro you give good dick". I CAN'T EVEN HAVE THAT! GOD, I HATE HIM SO MUCH.

Brint and Cait feel like they're fighting for the spot of true protagonist. I hate how whenever he shows up for anything sex related the game acts like we're into him without our input.
I don't have to worry about that because he's best girl now. Cait really is just another nothing burger at this point.
I gotta admit i like Brint. But i never really looked into the cucking and shit too much. Personally i dont really care about fucking the other female characters and so dont get possessive about em and almost always i play as a woman in the game or otherwise a boi getting feminized... so naturally, getting dicked down by a massive slab of muscle mmmm, good shit.
Him fitting into your taste doesn't make him any less of a issue for people who aren't into that. Characters like that should be a choice and not something forced on you. The problem with people like brint is that when a new player starts the game and probably expects brint to be a bro and have a generally respectful relationship, they won't get that. He will hit on them like he's already dicked them, and that just makes people dislike him. There's a reason Brienne is more favored than him. That way he is hurting the character because he's enforcing a fantasy that players have no choice but to accept unless they change his gender. There's no way to interact with him or be anything more than his lesser. Even if you don't have him at your party you will be reminded of it when he is referenced.


So this is you in your spare time, I assume?
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I would breed speed-of-sound sonic so damn bad. We need marriageable traps in this game, man. But knowing the team they would make them a full blown dom or something.
Hide your bulls, hide your futas and hide your femboys, cause they sucking everybody out there
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Legit nightmare scenario, instead of sucking your dick Carmen goes for Brint, get obsessed and turns the whole town into a vampire coven based on his bull cock while using the pieces of the cursed armor to creare a brainwashed army of mino-girls in order to bring Bimbo Doom to all the corners of Savarra
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It's the same sort of logic that yuri or yaoi shippers get into where they want to bring these two characters together and have them have their wholesome and pure romance between each other while they watch. It's sort of funny, in a hypocritical sense. These people who so furiously demand that these characters be treated with respect and that it's unfair for the Champ to sleep around because it's "unfaithful", turn around and use these characters for their slashfic fantasies.
I've always hated shippers, yaoi, yuri, or otherwise because they fail to understand the character and simply want to force something they want to please themselves. It's extremely disrespectful to the character and shows an extremely self-centered view. Then again, I am also the guy who only wants to interact with people I can fuck with my penis or if they are genuinely interesting and well written(which won't happen in this game). Games are player-centric, and this is a porn game, of course people are going to fuck around, and even if they didn't, if they lose, they get raped. trying to call out the champ when for fucking other people when it's a porn game is really fucking dumb. And just because the champ is like that doesn't mean others have to be or would be. I feel tits handled polygamy better because there are characters that you can tell that you have alot of lovers before it gets romantic.


I know everyone here hates the game but I think its just okay. It's not amazing but nor is it terrible. One of the weakest points of the game is how sex crazed everyone is. Sure it makes writing sex scenes easy and accessible but also the characters very forgettable. I can't remember half the cast because they feel so similar. The ones I do remember are well written and unique (Like Clementine, in a world where everyone fucks so much the sheepgirl is a breath of fresh air).
I honestly don't even have a thing for the three. Pregnancy and have a kid is nice but them getting expansion is way better. Threesomes are absolutely not necessary, and most of them aren't even done well. Futa stuff is just overused, far too overused. Every futa is just a variation of the futadom and the best you can settle with are ones who have sub options. Did you know Hana will only move to the wayfort if you are a female she impregnated? Like you can have a establish relationship with her, but she will never get to that point.


Kinda weird that there's shipping in this game when everyone is dtf at the drop of a hat but maybe im the weird one, being a degenerate but only liking monogamous ships.
I'm a simple guy, I play games for escapism and to stoke my ego. So it's either monogamy stuff or harem stuff, but the focus should usually be me, the player, unless it helps the overall story.



That explains the excessive amount of cucking content that gets added. Savin is lame and uncultured and must broaden his horizons. Netorase is niche even in the ntr genre though and he had to expect it being controversial even among those who recognized it.
I'm honestly not sure what terms do and don't exist all I know is is where the protagonist doesn't know of and/or doesn't enjoy their lover's cheating, is where the protagonist encourages and/or enjoys their lover's cheating, and is where the protagonist is the one stealing someone else's lover.
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Netori is the only option that should be allowed, but not much. I'm kinda a pussy when it comes to that type of stuff. Relationships are sacred.
 

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I'm honestly not sure what terms do and don't exist all I know is is where the protagonist doesn't know of and/or doesn't enjoy their lover's cheating, is where the protagonist encourages and/or enjoys their lover's cheating, and is where the protagonist is the one stealing someone else's lover.
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Netorase is the guy who likes to get cucked, for what I understand, the difference might be that in netorase consensual cucking becomes a goal while in pure ntr the mc is so mind broken he enjoys it despite not being mind fucked before, or just doesn't learn about what happened

Most voyeur stuff in the game feels like netorase, regular cucking without the risk of losing someone, but then the demon duo do something closer to ntr because they play with the concept of losing Cait for real, which will never, ever happen...
Christ, this is why I stick to the evil that I know. I don't engage in that weird shit.
 

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Netorase is the guy who likes to get cucked, for what I understand, the difference might be that in netorase consensual cucking becomes a goal while in pure ntr the mc is so mind broken he enjoys it despite not being mind fucked before, or just doesn't learn about what happened

Most voyeur stuff in the game feels like netorase, regular cucking without the risk of losing someone, but then the demon duo do something closer to ntr because they play with the concept of losing Cait for real, which will never, ever happen...


Thanks to the evil magic of the internet knows as IA, I've captured the essence of both My Immortal and this game into a short fic that only a machine could've dream
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Imagine trying to make Tollus actually a charming threat.
 
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Let me drop the kayfabe for a moment and start old person rambling.
I struggle with that sometimes. I get a full body wince recollecting the callous statement I casually threw towards B nearly a year ago in regards to Berwyn/Hugs and boy is it hard to eat the crow
What do you mean by this? Isn't Berwyn in the pisspoor state that he is because B wrote him into that state? Didn't he basically ignore the original writer's wishes and did his own thing which ended up twisting the parser so much not even fan writers wanted to touch him, i had a good understanding of the parsers, and I wanted to write for him, but it was so convoluted that I just killed that dream.
 
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I learn a lot of new things about Brint from reading this thread. I've joked about Brint before, but I actually didn't know much about him from playing the game- my thoughts could be summed up as 'a minotaur companion? That's kinda cool'

And then I discovered Brienne, and coincidentally, stopped gaining any firsthand knowledge about Brint. You know, for reasons.
 

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There's already a pretty reasonably easy to use mod tool created by one Lubricated Kitty. I imagine even if it doesn't survive to the finish line, with skill like that around, beating the game into a moddable state at that point will always be an inevitable outcome.
That's what I'm thinking. At worst, whoever mods the game picks one version, works out whatever's getting in the way and there we go. Savco doesn't (and never will) have the money for something too sophisticated anyway.

I would breed speed-of-sound sonic so damn bad. We need marriageable traps in this game, man. But knowing the team they would make them a full blown dom or something.
They'd give him a penis as big as his arm, therefore making him unable to be fast.

Christ, this is why I stick to the evil that I know. I don't engage in that weird shit.
Had a laugh at that image featuring the types of NTR though. There's species of wildlife out there with less complexity in their cataloguing than this shit.
 

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They'd give him a penis as big as his arm, therefore making him unable to be fast.
They actually did that with Nikol, the slut boi from Khor'minos who can't do sports because his dick gets in the way
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Imagine trying to make tullows actually charming threat.
Ok but imagine this, Amazon CoC2 adaptation and they get someone who looks like Adam Driver, and because he's the villain and he's supposed to be hated they actually give him good, quotable lines
 

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Isn't the guy who made Viviane also a programmer?
He is, even got accepted to be part of Savin's crew, but he decided to spend more time writing than coding. And when he does code, it's to expand on the characters he wrote which includes Viv.
 
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