Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.16] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[gembunny]

I get the sentiment, but to play devil's advocate: It is just a drawing if we're going to say it's just fake characters

We can't really use that logic there when the character in question is meant to be an actual person's kid.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

We can't really use that logic there when the character in question is meant to be an actual person's kid.

True. But we can also say that it bears our resemblance. Sure, a lot of kids look like other kids. I could probably show you someone that looks like a pixsar character. There's plausible deniability, if shot didn't go straight up, said that he drew that off that person's child.

 

[Yeppers34]

It works yeah. I can't do a clap emoji here so have it be in spirit and with a thumbs up instead.

Btw if you want Context for the Ryn gender thing, it was actually mentioned a good while back in this thread and even somewhere on the fen forums; Ryn's gender was originally male, and she was originally a prince, but was forcibly feminized by her sister as a means of abuse, and later who had intentions of basically forcibly marrying her too. (Hence the dress you find in the Ice Palace dungeon, it's by all means implied to be a wedding dress. This is still part of the canon game and wasn't removed.)

if you remember the old Dog Days leadup, when you brought Ryn with you to Hethia, she would essentially misgender Ryn and keep calling her a Prince with the intent of upsetting her. This was basically leftovers from when that was Ryn's backstory, I think eventually it had been taken out but I'm not sure. But she was never a female turned futa, but rather started as the other way around and then was entirely a dickgirl from the getgo at birth. It makes her lingerie scene you can do weirder in that case, as Ryn speaks as if wearing it is gender affirming despite the fact that half-sexed elves are majorly feminine as is, and also weird even if you account for the og idea bc her being a woman in that initial hook was literally forced onto her to begin with too, so the "it makes me feel more like a woman *insert hopeful voice here*" thing comes off as strange for her character either way. It's like Savin wanted to write a trans-adjacent character as a companion, but then fumbled it every which way with that.

Ryn being turned from prince to a sissified dickgirl against her will to dickgirl from the guff was done because the former with her being a prince abused into a woman did nothing for Savin's dick (his words exactly iirc), which is ironic if you take Del from TiTS into account but whateves. Eventually her entire gender had been retconned, and it was early enough in development for this to happen that it's easy to forget the details there.

Holy shit I was saying that would be the only reason I would accept Ryn having just a dick. I would have to comb through the entire wiki but most futas in this game also have a vag with Ryn being one of the few exceptions so them being male and getting turned feminine would make more sense....or im just coping which is also plausible.

 

[CrimsonSongbird1982]

if you remember the old Dog Days leadup, when you brought Ryn with you to Hethia, she would essentially misgender Ryn and keep calling her a Prince. This was basically leftovers from when that was Ryn's backstory, I think eventually it had been taken out but I'm not sure.

I always assumed that was Hethia misgendering Ryn to be a dick to the royal family.

Btw if you want Context for the Ryn gender thing, it was actually mentioned a good while back in this thread and even somewhere on the fen forums; Ryn's gender was originally male, and she was originally a prince, but was forcibly feminized by her sister who had intentions of basically forcibly marrying her too. (Hence the dress you find in the Ice Palace dungeon, it's a wedding dress)

Right I remember the marriage part just wasn't clear on OG design doc Ryn. I just knew the gender thing was a point of contention. I'll update it to be clearer sometime tomorrow.

It's a minor thing and mostly a misunderstanding but it's drama and lore nonetheless so it's getting included. I got confused because at one point the belief that Ryn didn't originally have a cock got briefly passed around so I ended up not being sure which one it was. I need to refine "Kas Wins LOL" and get to the kitsune thing which I'll probably have to subdivide among multiple parts. Then I gotta add the Seven shitshow, the anti-power fantasy angle, removal of resolve, omnipresent Cait, the Bubble stuff, Hugs and Berwyn which I'll probably split for readability, and that's off the top of my head so there's probably more but those are the main points and what newcomers ask about. The futa ratio is constantly changing so I'll avoid that specific part. I'll probably need to list the review process issues.

I want to add Brienne hobgoblin but that one will need more research since I missed that drama and don't know what build it was in. I'm sure I'll find something in the official forums to make it clearer, and this one too. I think the Brienne scene and hobgoblins being annoying to fight are the only context they've ever been brought up in so it shouldn't be hard to find. And I'll include the Einen thing.

I'm debating on if I should include Savin's fascism ant boner and his performative allyship but that'll all be last if I do, especially now that I know he did go back and change the elf futa term to half-sex which was a part of it and it's more a personal issue.

Wow, I gotta say your dedication to hate and sipping tea is inspiring. I need to set my game up. Creating a whole ass document

I just like to hear myself yap. K1ng_C00mer brought it up a few times that I saw and I thought "that's a great and convenient idea to have something like that on hand" and just got done cleaning a dumbass dog and needed to distract myself. Plus hating is fun. I do want to present the actual stuff in an objective manner for ease of reading at least.

Holy shit I was saying that would be the only reason I would accept Ryn having just a dick. I would have to comb through the entire wiki but most futas in this game also have a vag with Ryn being one of the few exceptions so them being male and getting turned feminine would make more sense....or im just coping which is also plausible.

I'd need to check but I think the half-sex elves are the one genital set type of futa. Like that random blonde one in the starting forest. Ryn is a fucking weird character whose background information just causes confusion. I feel like Savin changed his mind on her a lot.

Also how do typos keep getting in? Google Docs kept constantly flagging stuff, even stuff that had no issue.

 

[MagnaSonic3000]

I'm debating on if I should include Savin's fascism ant boner and his performative allyship but that'll all be last if I do, especially now that I know he did go back and change the elf futa term to half-sex which was a part of it and it's more a personal issue.

I think this brings some light into why flamboyant men are dressed like Nazi officers. And we know Savin is pretty gay.

 

[SatanHGG]

I kinda assumed it was a bounty thing to encourage people to cull the imp population.

Yeah, it's a good justification. I wonder how much money Oswald would be getting for the champ's skull collection. Tel'adre is a pretty closed economy too. Maybe they pay him in rental space.
I wonder what demons do for imp culling incentives. Just force their underlings to periodically do it? Can't pay them, too many lust demons cross the minimum 70 IQ needed to figure out they can just get pregnant and kill the imp they make to profit. It'd be like that snake breeding story in India.
At any rate, I still adore the biblical aura of charcoal and salt.

Very fitting, i'm surprised there's not an economy for them. Like imp bone's and imp skulls being used for fuel and other smaller stuff like medicine and charms.

What we do end up seeing is that there is an economy for them. 15 gems for a skull. But for fuel, I assume you meant the charcoal meat, but if it's water/blood, protein, and a distribution of charcoal, that might be so hard to burn that it's not useful, if you did take that literally. Fat it more energy dense than gasoline, and whale oil fuel exists IRL, while imps are notably lean and stringy, so charcoal in the meat might still be less energy dense than trying to turn your neighbor into fuel. A silly thought experiment, I know.
I've remarked that if you could impregnate Telly, you'd not see her for a bit, then next time you shop there, she's selling limited edition salmiakki and salted caramel.

 

[Jbuster]

I may have posted the wrong link since it should be a PDF and not the doc.


Food art is oddly intricate. Ironically those advertising food things are inedible as fuuuuuuuuuck.


He what?


Boruto is a sin and retroactively makes Naruto better by comparison.


The RWBY curse. So much potential but something makes it fall apart. At least RWBY can be called a great concept album if you like rock. All HGS has are the memes that make fun of it and youtube channels still oddly obsessed with it. Better than Velma imo tho.


At this point that could be the least controversial way to end the game. At least it'd be actual trolling.


I swear to fuck if we don't strike oil or find some damn Unobtanium to justify why people want this frozen hellscape of a setting I'm gonna scream. There's no natural resources aside from wood. there's no real civilization with any value aside from the mino city, it's not in a strategic location, it has no symbolic or cultural value, it can't be used as a staging ground to invade the salamander city since we don't even know how close they are. Why do the Kitsune want it? Why do the cat desert people want it?

The Amazing Atheist fucked his ass with a banana and then ate it on camera

Anyway, yeah RWBY at least has something going on (I'll never forget you homophobic Ruby nor you, cuckolded lesbian Ruby), the other show had the cheap everything, one cool character and one smug reaction

Can't believe drama channels were able to exploit that failure, there was barely anything to exploit

I insist, the tree is a penal colony where the Old Country can send their undesirables, everyone but the people you interact with are dirty poor peasants and criminals they don't want there, so they're giving them to you, but because they are who they are, instead of letting the local population deal with them they get their own jailers in Komari and Nakano

Also, there are a lot of delicious souls to suck all over the place and everyone is too horny to care, which is the same reason the cat people want it, horny people they can enslave and turn into whores because horny people is the backbone of their economy

Really? Damn, Tobs making huffing his own farts look like a professional sport.



Wow, I gotta say your dedication to hate and sipping tea is inspiring. I need to step my game up. Creating a whole ass document
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Exactly.It's an aspect of your life, not your entire being. I play to rugby, I like to rollerblade. I do judo from time to time. I'm trying to get into actual writing. I like poetry. I read different types of books. I like weapons. And I'm a degenerate from time to time. I never understood being totally obsessed with one hobby. I don't know maybe i'm not autismo enough.



I knew there was fanfic energy about u, J. I just couldn't put my finger on it
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I had some traction there and this guy really liked my work, don't know why

Got to finish that stuff at some point, can't even remember how many of those I wrote

I'd need to check but I think the half-sex elves are the one genital set type of futa. Like that random blonde one in the starting forest. Ryn is a fucking weird character whose background information just causes confusion. I feel like Savin changed his mind on her a lot.

Also how do typos keep getting in? Google Docs kept constantly flagging stuff, even stuff that had no issue.

I remember when I was making an elf champion that they as a race had three genders or something like that, the point being that one of them were in the middle and those were futas without a pussy, while at the same time they had women that turned out to be full futanari and regular guys

I believe the dude wrote them like that with the idea of making a background for Ryn so the whole debate would die there, but then there are contradictory notes and interactions, and maybe, he was also being petty and didn't want you to change Ryn in a way he didn't like

 

[CrimsonSongbird1982]

Anyway, yeah RWBY at least has something going on (I'll never forget you homophobic Ruby nor you, cuckolded lesbian Ruby), the other show had the cheap everything, one cool character and one smug reaction

Notice Ruby got homophobic only after Weiss started lusting after bearded Jaune. How dare her sister get literal and figurative pussy while she's iced out from her sugar momma.

Can't believe drama channels were able to exploit that failure, there was barely anything to exploit

HGS still right? The drama channels sucked too. They just uploaded clips with snide titles and nothing else or just ranted. Honestly I had more fun with friends getting drunk and making fun of the show while watching than I ever did clicking on the recommended drama vids.

Same with Velma tbh, but High Guardian Spice at least felt genuine for all its flaws.

I insist, the tree is a penal colony where the Old Country can send their undesirables, everyone but the people you interact with are dirty poor peasants and criminals they don't want there, so they're giving them to you, but because they are who they are, instead of letting the local population deal with them they get their own jailers in Komari and Nakano

Also, there are a lot of delicious souls to suck all over the place and everyone is too horny to care, which is the same reason the cat people want it, horny people they can enslave and turn into whores because horny people is the backbone of their economy

Frost Marches=Australia. It even has big ass spiders too.

I believe the dude wrote them like that with the idea of making a background for Ryn so the whole debate would die there, but then there are contradictory notes and interactions, and maybe, he was also being petty and didn't want you to change Ryn in a way he didn't like

Him being salty and unintentionally burying the Ryn lore certainly didn't help. He should've just listed the third elf gender as futa from the start to make it clear. Plus the original term was confusing. It was specifically a term used to refer to transwomen. So right there even after adding more unfindable lore to Ryn, the intro itself could add to confusion. Half-sex isn't derogatory as far as I know but it still has the confusion issue. It's a character creator, just say futa. But no Savin had to be stubborn because otherwise he'd have to admit he made an oopsie in some way.

I wonder what demons do for imp culling incentives. Just force their underlings to periodically do it? Can't pay them, too many lust demons cross the minimum 70 IQ needed to figure out they can just get pregnant and kill the imp they make to profit. It'd be like that snake breeding story in India.

I guess the incentive would be stopping imps from rebelling once they have enough numbers. Demons are horny but they still seem to wanna be on top of the food chain. Or it could be "If you make too many imps someone will tell Lethice for reward money and she'll drop a fireball on you."

 

[Yeppers34]

I always assumed that was Hethia misgendering Ryn to be a dick to the royal family.


Right I remember the marriage part just wasn't clear on OG design doc Ryn. I just knew the gender thing was a point of contention. I'll update it to be clearer sometime tomorrow.

It's a minor thing and mostly a misunderstanding but it's drama and lore nonetheless so it's getting included. I got confused because at one point the belief that Ryn didn't originally have a cock got briefly passed around so I ended up not being sure which one it was. I need to refine "Kas Wins LOL" and get to the kitsune thing which I'll probably have to subdivide among multiple parts. Then I gotta add the Seven shitshow, the anti-power fantasy angle, removal of resolve, omnipresent Cait, the Bubble stuff, Hugs and Berwyn which I'll probably split for readability, and that's off the top of my head so there's probably more but those are the main points and what newcomers ask about. The futa ratio is constantly changing so I'll avoid that specific part. I'll probably need to list the review process issues.

I want to add Brienne hobgoblin but that one will need more research since I missed that drama and don't know what build it was in. I'm sure I'll find something in the official forums to make it clearer, and this one too. I think the Brienne scene and hobgoblins being annoying to fight are the only context they've ever been brought up in so it shouldn't be hard to find. And I'll include the Einen thing.

I'm debating on if I should include Savin's fascism ant boner and his performative allyship but that'll all be last if I do, especially now that I know he did go back and change the elf futa term to half-sex which was a part of it and it's more a personal issue.


I just like to hear myself yap. K1ng_C00mer brought it up a few times that I saw and I thought "that's a great and convenient idea to have something like that on hand" and just got done cleaning a dumbass dog and needed to distract myself. Plus hating is fun. I do want to present the actual stuff in an objective manner for ease of reading at least.


I'd need to check but I think the half-sex elves are the one genital set type of futa. Like that random blonde one in the starting forest. Ryn is a fucking weird character whose background information just causes confusion. I feel like Savin changed his mind on her a lot.

Also how do typos keep getting in? Google Docs kept constantly flagging stuff, even stuff that had no issue.

Oh you mean those PCs that invite you to some party or some shit, I know the blond you're talking about but I thought they were dryads.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

True. But we can also say that it bears our resemblance. Sure, a lot of kids look like other kids. I could probably show you someone that looks like a pixsar character. There's plausible deniability, if shot didn't go straight up, said that he drew that off that person's child.

There is no deniability around Shad, he was drawing porn of real people (even drew porn of his own mom once) long before he drew Kimstar's 8-year-old daughter giving head. That dude was a creep all along.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

Holy shit I was saying that would be the only reason I would accept Ryn having just a dick. I would have to comb through the entire wiki but most futas in this game also have a vag with Ryn being one of the few exceptions so them being male and getting turned feminine would make more sense....or im just coping which is also plausible.

I remember there being a dialogue with Etheryn in early versions where she mentions once having a pussy. Which was replaced with a dick by Alissa, because she wanted incest babies.
Also, I'm pretty sure "half-sex" concept was shoved into elf codex after the fact as a cop-out, because literally everyone wanted to give Ryn her pussy back.
Also, Wsan was super sexist about the whole thing at the time (2021), essentially saying: "Having a vagina makes you a lesser being, compared to amazing and confident dickwielders. So, no, we will never give Ryn dedicking option."

 

[YouShallNotLol]

Him being salty and unintentionally burying the Ryn lore certainly didn't help. He should've just listed the third elf gender as futa from the start to make it clear. Plus the original term was confusing. It was specifically a term used to refer to transwomen. So right there even after adding more unfindable lore to Ryn, the intro itself could add to confusion. Half-sex isn't derogatory as far as I know but it still has the confusion issue. It's a character creator, just say futa. But no Savin had to be stubborn because otherwise he'd have to admit he made an oopsie in some way.

Oh you mean those PCs that invite you to some party or some shit, I know the blond you're talking about but I thought they were dryads.

Elf troupe from the old forest and starter elf race in character creator are Wyld Elves.
Etheruined is a Boreal Elf.
They are different. Wyld elves simply have futas and "their men sometimes have boobs". Half-sex is entirely boreal elf codex nonsense.

 

[Yeppers34]

Elf troupe from the old forest and starter elf race in character creator are Wyld Elves.
Etheruined is a Boreal Elf.
They are different. Wyld elves simply have futas and "their men sometimes have boobs". Half-sex is entirely boreal elf codex nonsense.

Eh same diff. an elf is an elf they're all cocksleeves in the end even the ones with dicks.

 

[PixelLewd]

 

[MagnaSonic3000]

Elves are either hated to extinction or are breeding slaves. Except the ones where they rape orcs.

 

[Yeppers34]

Elves are either hated to extinction or are breeding slaves. Except the ones where they rape orcs.

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[Essta]

I wonder what demons do for imp culling incentives.

Hold on, why would the demons want to cull imps? Far i understand they're a significant part of how the demons came to control the realm and the only reason they might not be useful anymore is because the factory exists.

 

[SatanHGG]

Hold on, why would the demons want to cull imps? Far i understand they're a significant part of how the demons came to control the realm and the only reason they might not be useful anymore is because the factory exists.

They're (relatively) weak, very stupid, lack restraint, are unreliable, and generally can't plan ahead, making them prone to betrayal or abandoning of their tasks. Killing them for misbehavior scares a lot into cooperating, but if in their low IQ mind they don't think they'll get caught, they'll still act out. Zetaz is explicitly noted as a unique exception among imps and he's still stupid, weak, and short-sighted, just not as much as the average imp.
When demons breed, they can't make more demons, they make imps, these demonic vermin, and if imps manage to fuck something, they make more imps. With all the lust demons around, and all the imps that go off fucking about into the wilderness, they're a hazard. Invasive species.
They hold no value, they're supremely ugly, and literally the most unattractive living things on the whole of Mareth. Even plague rats are less disgusting (though more smelly and pus-y. A different kind of gross.)

Lust demons are lowly too, but as horny and indulgent as they are, they're still very powerful and capable, there's something to work with there. And when turning your enemies into demons, rape is a really easy method, so you get a lot of lust demons. And lust demons struggle to stop themselves from at least sometimes having conventional penis-in-vagina sex. The hellhound master in vanilla engineered those hounds to eat imps to make some kind of use out of them.
Imps are a byproduct that demons try to make whatever use they can while hoping most imps die off in the process, but factors enable imps to population boom easily and suddenly, so they have to sometimes just be culled, outright kill a bunch because you just can't use that many.

 

[Badass_Badmen]

Hey, does anyone know where I find Hirrud? For the life of me I can't find him.

 

[Jbuster]

Hey, does anyone know where I find Hirrud? For the life of me I can't find him.

Are you doing the quest to turn him into a girl?, because then you have to find him in Khor'minos, go where the miners are drinking and he's around there