Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.16] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[undyingrevenant]

I'd argue this is just the pot calling the kettle black considering you typed this entire rant to shit on the devs.

Say what you will about them or their discord, they're not coming here and trying to stir shit up for no reason. Bogdan did exactly that and everybody's response here was, "well yeah the fuck did you expect would happen?", then he desperately tries to defend his actions by going on what seem like emotional ravings. Like... this isn't what normal people do. He went there with a negative attitude and is surprised he got one back. That's like jumping into a vat of toxic goo knowing it will give you some horrible disease, then blaming the goo for giving you super AIDs.

The fact that this is even still being discussed is silly. Then again, guess I'm just as guilty for that now.


This situation is eerily similar to when Scott the Woz complains about Chibi-Robo not having anymore games. Note to any aspiring creators out there: One of the last things you should do is blame the people who consume your content if they're not happy with said content.

You right tbh. Tmi I have issues and my insurance doesn't cover psychiatrists. But anyway

 

[MarcusDBlack]

Protect her at any cost

 

[Shiro15]

Go back and read the text and the chain of events. Plus that only happens with Urta and for a good chunk of time did happen without your bloody fucking control. Ya make a character act Ooc, journey to an area they no fuck all in, for stupid shit to happen is half the reason this places bitches about Tobs so whether would I tolerate it in coc1? It also ONLY happens with Urta, the OC of fen. It doesn't happen with literally anyone else and she reacts negatively to marble to the point where u need 80 int to smooth shit out and she fucking knows Jojo. It was done out of spite, repair to be optional and is a shitty scene for a character like Amily who unironically has to be coaxed to have sex with ya if your female or futa and grows to care for u. She isnt gonna get just fuck urta just cause she has a sad story or horsecock. End of story.

I agree with you that it is out of character, as the only reason Amily ends up traveling to Tel'andre is because she hears about you sleeping around with Urta while in the town, which would not make sense as she does not travel to the town unless you turn her down at the beginning. So she should not even be aware of Urta. I also agree that Urta having multiple threesomes with other characters is most likely due to creator bias. As the only other character I am aware that has optional threesomes is the lizard girl written by Savin. Neither was to my personal taste, which is why in second play-through I just ignored it, and just chalked it up to being there for the people who are into that kind of stuff.

To be fair I'm pretty sure Luna isn't in vanilla CoC1, not sure which mod adds her though cause I don't remember her but only played Revamp.

Luna is in the Xianxia mod. My feeling on her is pretty much the same as Urta. A character who may appeal to others, but not me. The only reason I say Luna warrants the remove option is because once you recruit her I believe you are stuck with her, and the only way to remove her is by using the cheat menu. I would have to double check that.

 

[zwagon]

Yeah. Used to be that this was a topic where we shat on CoC all the time but it was a somewhat logical, fun kind of shitting. But it seems our reputation of being CoC shitters has come to such a point that we have become the actual stereotype that we were told to be. Which is absolutely hilarious. Self-fulfilling indeed.

I mean, it isn't even funny. I'd read pointless Tobs rants that would go on 50 pages 'cuz it was fun even though most of the arguments were either done to death or sometimes straight up wrong.

Welp, still can't be any worse than the actual writing crew I guess. Anon (is this the same anon who drew the berwyn art?) shitting on Bubs is hilarious. I know I said this many times but the folks who write over there legitimately have issues. I think Wsan is probably the most..normal, and mature one out of all of them. Doesn't react with anywhere near as much vitriol.

You just don't do this sort of pointless shit in a professional environment. Coworkers shitting on each other in public discord, the owner and manager quite literally just watching from the sidelines with popcorn with half-hearted words of "oh no staahp", which in turn just incentivizes this sort of ridiculous culture.

I have doubts any of these people ever held a full-time job before. I know for a fact that Wsan himself comes from "oh my god I can do literally nothing with my life, what the fuck can I do?" stock. If their most mature person is of such a background, I don't wanna imagine the others.

don't forget about Fleep! can take criticism and comes in here occasionally for feedback. even if their writing doesn't always do it for me, that attitude is respectable.

unless you meant just the major contributors, in which case, uhh, at least i don't remember Gardeford or Balak Knightfang being part of any drama

 

[Kuritzkale]

The problem with that kinda content is that it exists and just shouldn't. Unless you're going for some hardcore NTR, which these games and most importantly those characters aren't, there's no literally no point to it other than tainting the whole thing for people.

What do you mean? These characters exist, ultimately, to be jack off material for players. Again, I WOULD agree with you if your only problem was that the content was sorta unavoidable, but if the game spells out what the content is explicitly, why do you have a problem with it existing? Maybe some people are into Amily and Urta fucking, or whatever flavor of cuck content in CoC2 people have a problem with, and I fully believe they deserve to have their weird kink catered to.

If you aren't into that, you can avoid it and you lose literally nothing. Assuming it's optional, it only taints the character for you if you choose to engage with that content and don't like it, which is like, your fault? Idk, I personally don't think it's fair to get upset at content you can choose not to engage with. Just consider it non canon for your playthrough or something idk lol

 

[Boardguy]

It's optional doesn't work for characters cause there freaking characters. Too much bs slip why atugia and especially rynare a mess. Ryn especially falls into this pitfall of do everything but it's "optional" and if this game wasn't called coc would be a schizophrenic in another setting. It would be like Kiyoko being a cait tier whore but it's optional. It. It fucks ya fucking perception of a character. It's why alot of reboots suck shit too but I digress. Just fucking have an idea for a character and work in the bloody limits.This game doesn't need anymore messes and shitty ocs.

 

[JenusKudo]

I agree with you that it is out of character, as the only reason Amily ends up traveling to Tel'andre is because she hears about you sleeping around with Urta while in the town, which would not make sense as she does not travel to the town unless you turn her down at the beginning. So she should not even be aware of Urta. I also agree that Urta having multiple threesomes with other characters is most likely due to creator bias. As the only other character I am aware that has optional threesomes is the lizard girl written by Savin. Neither was to my personal taste, which is why in second play-through I just ignored it, and just chalked it up to being there for the people who are into that kind of stuff.



Luna is in the Xianxia mod. My feeling on her is pretty much the same as Urta. A character who may appeal to others, but not me. The only reason I say Luna warrants the remove option is because once you recruit her I believe you are stuck with her, and the only way to remove her is by using the cheat menu. I would have to double check that.

I think you can fire her after you find out about her real identity....

 

[Shiro15]

It's optional doesn't work for characters cause there freaking characters. Too much bs slip why atugia and especially rynare a mess. Ryn especially falls into this pitfall of do everything but it's "optional" and if this game wasn't called coc would be a schizophrenic in another setting. It would be like Kiyoko being a cait tier whore but it's optional. It. It fucks ya fucking perception of a character. It's why alot of reboots suck shit too but I digress. Just fucking have an idea for a character and work in the bloody limits.This game doesn't need anymore messes and shitty ocs.

When you put it like that, I guess I am being to relaxed on the bad writing decisions. Because what you're describing is literally the reason I did not like the new Berwyn content, as Berry suddenly being a god tier mage isn't set up at all. Berry literally struggles to control other elements besides earth (which is stated to be a basic ability, by Berry themself). And in game a black mage champion starts with the ability to use a fire spirit something Berry is struggling to even learn. So when I got to the end of his new quest with my mage, I was like how the fuck is Berry doing this, when the games lore pretty much puts Berry's abilities below your own character. But, yeah I guess you're right it does not excuse making a character act in a way that does not make sense, just because some people want it. It is essentially a dues ex machina.

 

[Boardguy]

Sorry if I've seemed a bit overly harsh and aggressive on this topic. it's just that this kind of really bothers me when it comes to character writing and character justification of actions and I feel that Coc2 really walks into that problem too much.

 

[mrttao]

In fact, I went to the discord to express personally that I don’t like what creates incomprehensible crap
And he should have thought about where he took the wrong turn, nevertheless, he behaves and reacts like a teenager with an incredibly bloated self-validation , I do not believe that an adult was arguing with me, or at least a sane man, no
And we still wonder why such content lately? Savin, not surprisingly, although he doesn’t get into defense for him, nevertheless makes it clear that everything suits him, and it’s just ridiculous, they feed us shit, and then they say that we are so bad that we criticize, I haven’t screened it yet how they try trolled me and turned on full clowning, because this is superfluous, look at your own peril and risk.

Spoiler: I warning you

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upd
and here is the proof that they CANNOT not follow this site, they actually release new content in such a format that would troll the audience of fans, what am I wrong about?

Spoiler: Hehe

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so... does that specific scene exist?
did the author really forget?
or did Bogdan2033 mix up scenes?

 

[Shiro15]

Sorry if I've seemed a bit overly harsh and aggressive on this topic. it's just that this kind of really bothers me when it comes to character writing and character justification of actions and I feel that Coc2 really walks into that problem too much.

Don't sweat it. The main reason I enjoy visiting this forum is because I get to read other peoples opinions. It makes me think about things in a way that I might not normally consider. Not a lot of people I know enjoy doing that. Often times when I explain why I do not enjoy something to people irl, they'll say I'm just taking the fun out of things. Or in other cases when I like something people will say I'm overthinking things.

Like my brother enjoys code vein and he was trying to get me into it, but I could never do that, because I felt it was a discount bloodborne. And what he had to say could be summed up as "I had fun" which is fine for him and a lot of other people. But, for me I want to know why I had fun or why I didn't. Also, as long as people are treating one another respectfully I never see a reason to get upset over differing opinions.

 

[edgar69]

What happened to Berwyn?

 

[CaffeinatedPersone]

What happened to Berwyn?

Teal deer his latest quest removes him as a companion

 

[edgar69]

Teal deer his latest quest removes him as a companion

that's fucking stupid

 

[Daken9]

What do you mean? These characters exist, ultimately, to be jack off material for players. Again, I WOULD agree with you if your only problem was that the content was sorta unavoidable, but if the game spells out what the content is explicitly, why do you have a problem with it existing? Maybe some people are into Amily and Urta fucking, or whatever flavor of cuck content in CoC2 people have a problem with, and I fully believe they deserve to have their weird kink catered to.

If you aren't into that, you can avoid it and you lose literally nothing. Assuming it's optional, it only taints the character for you if you choose to engage with that content and don't like it, which is like, your fault? Idk, I personally don't think it's fair to get upset at content you can choose not to engage with. Just consider it non canon for your playthrough or something idk lol

Literally everything is good if you just ignore the bad, so don't get that outlook. And since we're talking basic character consistency in a text-based game, not exactly your run-of-the-mill quick fap no string attached, i get it even less.

But either way, what i'm saying is that there's a time and a place. Like, cuck rights yay but this isn't a NTR game and NTR isn't a beloved kink. Doesn't mean that stuff shouldn't be in the game at all (although i don't think there's any use in having much of it 'cause again not NTR game), just that it should be handled carefully when it is. Which really means, keep it to characters who are built for it and that's pretty much it, just like Fleep is doing with his demon chicks. He outright stated, righ in here even, that they'll be able to cuck us and no one gave him shit for it because why would you. They're built for that, their target gonna be Cait so who cares, and those of us not into it will be (and in fact already are) given some reverse NTR of our own. Handled right, so nothing to bitch about.

Also not sure where you got the idea most of this stuff is avoidable, or that the game spells it out. With Atugia she's super into you and then she's sucking off Arona, with Azzy she's super into you and then goes full lesbo and gets shit going with Brienne and Liaden, with Agni it's admittedly a living dildo situation and then she fucks the hellhound (although that might have been changed), ecc. The only one who's straight from the get-go about the fuckbuddy status is, ironically, Cait. Everyone else is all waifu, and then they're fucking other people. But i guess it's on me for not being able to just ignore, maybe next time i'll do some head meet wall or some shit

 

[Biostar]

Luna is in the Xianxia mod. My feeling on her is pretty much the same as Urta. A character who may appeal to others, but not me. The only reason I say Luna warrants the remove option is because once you recruit her I believe you are stuck with her, and the only way to remove her is by using the cheat menu. I would have to double check that.

What's wrong with Luna?

 

[Skandranon]

Also not sure where you got the idea most of this stuff is avoidable, or that the game spells it out. With Atugia she's super into you and then she's sucking off Arona, with Azzy she's super into you and then goes full lesbo and gets shit going with Brienne and Liaden, with Agni it's admittedly a living dildo situation and then she fucks the hellhound (although that might have been changed), ecc. The only one who's straight from the get-go about the fuckbuddy status is, ironically, Cait. Everyone else is all waifu, and then they're fucking other people. But i guess it's on me for not being able to just ignore, maybe next time i'll do some head meet wall or some shit

See, I don't get this. To me, it seems like you're defaulting anyone who doesn't explicitly say otherwise to instantly monogamous and being disappointed when they aren't.

Atugia isn't really super into you. She's not your girlfriend, as far as I know she never says she loves you, you and her don't really establish as of yet any deeper connection than having sex and being friendly with each other...and everyone else in your party meets those same qualifications.

Azzy's entire introduction establishes that she's part of a hive, and she feels cut off when she's not around large amounts of people. The whole reason she latches onto you in the first place is because she's desperate for any kind of companionship since she can't be near everyone in her hive.

Imo, it's easier and makes more sense in the setting that''s been established to assume everyone is down for casual sex with different partners as the default and not the other way around. The people who aren't generally explicitly say so, like Brienne and Kiyoko.

 

[dxd]

What's wrong with Luna?

She's a yandere character

 

[MissBlackthorne]

In the case of the Amily x Urta scene IIRC Amily basically goes over to call Urta a partner stealing hussy, but the two get drunk during said confrontation (which for a smol mouse girl who doesnt seem to be used to drinking wouldnt be hard). We all know urta is a horny drunk and I know personally I have mad some utterly retarded decisions when drunk, especially if emotional, so I can see why they'd possibly end up fucking.

I also know this can feel like a betrayal to people, but I think you can tell em to knock it off anyway.

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Back to CoC2 however, I think if they leaned into Quin actively trying to make amends and not acting so over confident, 'I'm fuckings gift to man' sorta thing, he'd be more tolerable. Like if he were to get more scenes where either we take him by surprise during sex and show him pleasures he hasnt experienced much are worth it or where he ensures you feel important to him in some manner, rather than a quick fuck while he spouts off a the things he could do with his magic, it would be more fun.

Alternatively if he started to follow through his threats of using his magic, exhausting you entirely through rapid successive fucks.

 

[namelessone22]

Hi folks, just wondering how to start the new Mai content (what has to be done to trigger event)

*Also I saw the code to put in if you'd already done Miko's preg event

"P.S. If you’ve already done Miko’s path but want to see Mai’s without starting a whole new save, you can hit F12 and slam this into the console:

flags.MAIDENS_PREG_PATH = flags.MAIDENS_PREG_TS =
flags.MIKO_PREG_REQ = flags.MIKO_PREG_NUM_KIDS =
flags.MIKO_PREG_NUM_BIRTHS = flags.MIKO_PREG_ANN = undefined;
PregManager.preg(GLOBALS.PREG_MIKO).debugEndPregnancy();"

*Will this work on the OFFLINE PC DL?